Topic: Rycote INV6 or INV7 for CMC with BAS?

[thunderbolt]

I need a pair of Rycotes.  I run full-size CMC 5 right now.  I'll need to have enough space to use big ass Shures when I tape outside.  Can anyone guide me on which to get?

[H₂O]

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=880280&gclid=CMfOmfLP2b0CFS1eOgod_i4AcQ&Q=&is=REG&A=details

This is what you need

[pohaku]

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=880280&gclid=CMfOmfLP2b0CFS1eOgod_i4AcQ&Q=&is=REG&A=details

This is what you need

Agreed.   The others work well in the studio and are great mounts, but that is a more secure mount for taping out.

[Ultfris101]

I think you would be ok with the INV-6. I use them with cmc6's and they work well. The mkIII I recently picked up as well and intend to use it when I need to hold a bar or something more unwieldy.

H2O and pohaku, have you seen or experienced issues with the inv-6's that lead you to stay away for field use?

[pohaku]

I own both of them.  It may be just my level of paranoia with pricey gear, but after having the wookies use my stand to maintain their balance, I prefer to have my mics clamped in.  When someone grabs your stand and shakes it, the mount whips around if you have any height on it.  I haven't yet lost a mic, but I prefer not to chance it.  That's not a problem in controlled recording environments.  And as you note, the MkIII can do double duty with bars and I use it for that as well.

[DigiGal]

Rycote INV's are the best shock mounts available at any price period, others really do not even come close for isolation or durability.  If you use a shock with no give/play for your specific mic weight load you are not getting enough isolation.  The wooks are not going to damage your mics with Rycote shocks, this video link gives a excellent demonstration of the Rycote INV's durability...

[pohaku]

Oh, I'm not contesting the quality of Rycote mounts. I fully agree that they are the best out there and I own a bunch of them.  Indestructible as near as I can tell.  I like the INV HG-mkIII because I often use a Manfrotto Nano stand for taping at indoor shows - it is well made, light, very portable and has a small footprint.  At full extension, with a full size mic, it can be a bit whippy if it is shaken hard.  It's a trade off.  Would I prefer to use my heavier stands?  Of course.  Would I be as concerned if I had a more secure location to record (like from the SB) - probably not.  But it doesn't always happen.  From the perspective of which mounts would I buy if I was only going to get one pair for full size SD mics like Schoeps, AKG or Sennheiser, I would prefer to get the mkIII mount because it is more secure and is sort of the lowest common denominator mount from a mic security perspective.  As it is, I have the other ones as well, so I can pick and choose which mounts to use to fit the circumstances.  A luxury.  The mkIII mount is a bit heavier than the INV-6 if that makes any difference to anyone.  Choosing between these mounts certainly isn't a cost issue either as all of the mounts we are discussing are priced the same (at least at B&H).

[John Willett]

I agree with the above - The INV-6 is a bit short for a full length SDC - I prefer the INV-7.  Also, the INV-7 is adjustable in length going as short as the INV-6 and with an intermediate length as well.

The HG Mk.III is designed for heavier mics and MS rigs and the suspension is a bit stiffer.

[thunderbolt]

Thanks for all the helpful comments (and the video link Sharon!).  I decided to go with the INV6.  The CMC bodies are quite short compared to AKGs, for example, so I think it will serve my purpose well.

[John Willett]

Thanks for all the helpful comments (and the video link Sharon!).  I decided to go with the INV6.  The CMC bodies are quite short compared to AKGs, for example, so I think it will serve my purpose well.

As long as you don't ever want to put a longer mic. in it.

Personally, I found the INV-7 much better, especially as it's adjustable.

[Ultfris101]

I was surprised how small the INV-6's were when I got my first pair in my hands. For ME they are a perfect fit for the CMC6's. Good compromise between size and fit, easily fitting in the space i had in my bag as well.

Recently I used these with my AKG 460s and I agree they are a bit on the small side for comfort. They work ok and I was in a relatively stable location but I agree that for that size the INV-7's are probably recommended. In a stable situation the INV-6's can hold the 460s satisfactorily, especially when you take advantage of the cable management clip.

I recently bought an INV-7 and an INV-MKIII. These things rock.

[pohaku]

I have AKG 460s and Sennheiser MKH40s (as well as other SD mics), so I use the INV-7s for them if I am not using the MK-IIIs.  I run my Schoeps active - so no bodies.

[StuStu]

What model is best to use with a Schoeps/Kwon/NOLA bar?

[hi and lo]

What model is best to use with a Schoeps/Kwon/NOLA bar?

Probably the MKIII, but the INV-6 works fine as well (I sense a repeating theme).

I'll throw my ring in the hat here and say that although I don't have an MKIII, I have the INV-4s, 5s, and 6s and their grip on the microphone is rock solid. There's absolutely no reason to think that something 'more' secure is required. If I had to buy new, I might get the MKIII based on the advice in this thread, but INV-6s are still a very good option.

I've also used the INV-6 with the longer AKG 480s and MBHO 603s microphone bodies and they work just fine. The INV-7 might be a better solution, but isn't strictly required.

[StuStu]

^^^Thanks, hi and lo. I'm not sure which model I have, it came with other gear, but I like it a lot. I'll probably be selling my Schoeps shocks for a few new Rycotes. They are top-notch.

[thunderbolt]

What model is best to use with a Schoeps/Kwon/NOLA bar?

If I had to buy new, I might get the MKIII based on the advice in this thread, but INV-6s are still a very good option.

Thanks, glad to hear it.  I was really starting to second-guess my decision.

[thunderbolt]

Got the INV6 today.  Man, they are small.  But I will say this:  the purchase it has on the mic is SOLID.  If there was enough force to shake the mic out, it would be probably be enough kill me and everything else for miles around .

[DigiGal]

Got the INV6 today.  Man, they are small.  I'll tinker with it a bit, but I think you folks may be right: I may exchange them for 7s or the Mk. III.

Yes INV 7's would be the way to go, you can always adjust the lyres down to INV 6 spacing if you want so they do offer greater flexibility.



Here's a question perhaps John Willett could answer or anyone else that knows...

What is the difference between the INV-HG mk II's and the INV-HG mk III's?  It appears that sometime after I purchased a MK II they were discontinued and replaced by the MK III's, they essentially look the same but Rycote must have changed something.

[John Willett]

Got the INV6 today.  Man, they are small.  I'll tinker with it a bit, but I think you folks may be right: I may exchange them for 7s or the Mk. III.

Yes INV 7's would be the way to go, you can always adjust the lyres down to INV 6 spacing if you want so they do offer greater flexibility.



Here's a question perhaps John Willett could answer or anyone else that knows...


What is the difference between the INV-HG mk II's and the INV-HG mk III's?  It appears that sometime after I purchased a MK II they were discontinued and replaced by the MK III's, they essentially look the same but Rycote must have changed something.

Yes - the attached picture at the bottom shows the options:-


Regarding the difference between the HG Mk.II and Mk.III the change was very minor it was just that the Mk.III had a larger screw tightening knob to get a tighter grip on the mic to prevent droop (see pictures - the Mk.III has the bigger knob).

[DigiGal]

Ahh, thanks for the HG revision number explanation I've been curious about that since discovering the Mk II was discontinued.  I had thought perhaps they might have changed the suspension tension of the lyres.  As you mentioned they are quite rigid as they're intended for boom use with longer/heavier mics, with lighter setups this is something to be aware of.

I use either the INV-7's or HG Mk II's depending on configuration and recording environment.  I carry an allen wrench in my kit in case the INV 7's need to spaced differently in the field which is seldom to never.  Perhaps one minor improvement that could perhaps be incorporated in them would be to replace the allen screw with a knurled thumb screw thus eliminating the need to carry a small allen wrench which could easily be misplaced.  All things considered they're the best isolation mounts available and should last a lifetime.

[pohaku]

Thanks!  I wondered about the same thing with regards to the MkII and MkIII.  The larger knob is nice.

[F.O.Bean]

^^^Thanks, hi and lo. I'm not sure which model I have, it came with other gear, but I like it a lot. I'll probably be selling my Schoeps shocks for a few new Rycotes. They are top-notch.

Exactly what I'll be doing soon. Bye Bye A20's

And Digi-Gal, thanks a lot for that video you posted above! I just saw it for the first time and it blew me away! That Hytrel material is no joke! I just ordered [2] INV6 from B+H! Only took me a few years to finally order them

[H₂O]

I use vintage SG20's for my CMMT 30 M311's then a Rycote B2B clip off the M311 to run my KCY - this way I get 2 sets of coincident aligned caps so I can compare sources


I run this off a Vark bar suspended with an A20S and it works very well


If I run just the KCY I use SGCm's with the Vark.


for my full body tube mics I run Rycote INV HG mk III's using an aluminum f.bob bar - I used to run a UMS 20 which was a nice bar but not nearly as rugged as the Rycote INV HG/f.bob bar setup  - I plan on getting another 2 sets of B2B clips so I can run 2 sets of Tube mics at the same time on one bar and mounts

[StuStu]

I now have 2 MKIII shocks and don't miss the A20s at all.

^^^Thanks, hi and lo. I'm not sure which model I have, it came with other gear, but I like it a lot. I'll probably be selling my Schoeps shocks for a few new Rycotes. They are top-notch.

Exactly what I'll be doing soon. Bye Bye A20's

And Digi-Gal, thanks a lot for that video you posted above! I just saw it for the first time and it blew me away! That Hytrel material is no joke! I just ordered [2] INV6 from B+H! Only took me a few years to finally order them

[F.O.Bean]

I now have 2 MKIII shocks and don't miss the A20s at all.

^^^Thanks, hi and lo. I'm not sure which model I have, it came with other gear, but I like it a lot. I'll probably be selling my Schoeps shocks for a few new Rycotes. They are top-notch.

Exactly what I'll be doing soon. Bye Bye A20's

And Digi-Gal, thanks a lot for that video you posted above! I just saw it for the first time and it blew me away! That Hytrel material is no joke! I just ordered [2] INV6 from B+H! Only took me a few years to finally order them

Same here! I sold my a20s's immediately after getting my INV6. Now I'm just getting [1] pair of the Rycote 042216 HG 82 Shore Lyres to upgrade one of my 72 Shore INV6 for when I run bigger than DIN bars, and I'll be 100% ALL set on my shockmounts!! I haven't thought twice about unloading my a20s's, in fact, I can't believe it took me this long to do it

I use vintage SG20's for my CMMT 30 M311's then a Rycote B2B clip off the M311 to run my KCY - this way I get 2 sets of coincident aligned caps so I can compare sources


I run this off a Vark bar suspended with an A20S and it works very well


If I run just the KCY I use SGCm's with the Vark.


for my full body tube mics I run Rycote INV HG mk III's using an aluminum f.bob bar - I used to run a UMS 20 which was a nice bar but not nearly as rugged as the Rycote INV HG/f.bob bar setup  - I plan on getting another 2 sets of B2B clips so I can run 2 sets of Tube mics at the same time on one bar and mounts

I found the B2B Rycote InVision clips earlier today. For $25/Pair, I'll definitely be getting a pair or two!

http://www.adorama.com/RY048488.html

[voltronic]

Chiming in with support of the Rycote mounts - they are outstanding.  Some of you may have seen this already, but I made my own DIY mounts using the softest 62-shore lyres.  I could have special ordered INV-6s from Redding with these softer lyres, but I went the DIY route because I wanted to save some money and didn't want or need the vertical angle adjustment.
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=171552.msg2132415#msg2132415

Apologies if I missed it here, but what is the spacing between the lyres on the INV-6?  Estimating from the image of the INV-7 that John posted, it looks to be around 30mm, which is pretty close to the 35mm spacing I decided on for my DIY mounts.

[if_then_else]

Apologies if I missed it here, but what is the spacing between the lyres on the INV-6?  Estimating from the image of the INV-7 that John posted, it looks to be around 30mm, which is pretty close to the 35mm spacing I decided on for my DIY mounts.

The spacing between the centers of the two drillholes at the bottom of the INV-6 is about 2.5 cm (= 1 inch) wide. As for the lyres themselves, they're of course a bit more flexible...

[F.O.Bean]

Apologies if I missed it here, but what is the spacing between the lyres on the INV-6?  Estimating from the image of the INV-7 that John posted, it looks to be around 30mm, which is pretty close to the 35mm spacing I decided on for my DIY mounts.

The spacing between the two lyres on an INV6 is 1" on the inside of each lyre. Add about 1/4" from the outside of each lyre