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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2015, 06:24:17 PM »
Red and green capacitors are soldered in. Nothing was desoldered there. They (both red and green) are Wima MKP-2 .01uf/250v 5% poly caps that give better top end detail around 20khz. The second pic just shows the LME op amps soldered in place (2 are visible, one is under copper shield.  Those replaced the NJM4580s. The flip side of PCB also had the NE5532s replaced (no pic of that one though), forgot to take one and am not taking apart again now that everything is put back together.

Hopefully this helps if anyone else attempts it.

As far as specifics, the copper shield is placed loosely in there. Extra tape was applied to keep in place to avoid shorting out anything. Unit is somewhat difficult to get everything disassembled. Very tight components make for difficult soldering workspace.  Complete mod uses 5 op amps and 8 poly caps. It reworks both input and output stages. I think that's it.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2015, 06:32:21 PM »
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To each their own I guess. 

Indeed - and different people have varying sensitivity to subtle changes in sound (for instance, some people couldn't begin to tell the difference between wave and low bitrate mp3, while others have no difficulty at all in picking wave from high bitrate mp3). 

But I do maintain that there's a law of diminishing returns operating here, and that such mods are likely to provide subtle improvements (or differences) compared to stock, which would only be demonstrable on quite rigorous testing - and any such test would have to demonstrate greater accuracy in the recording, not just a different sound, for me (personally, ymmv etc) to be convinced.

But it's great for the craft of recording when people strive to get the very best result they can, and share their methods with the community.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2015, 06:35:40 PM »
Do the legs of the caps or op amps have to be soldered in some particular way or does polarity not matter? 

Haven't seen 70d case up close.  Does it simply unscrew for access or what do you do to get it open?

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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2015, 07:06:06 PM »
No polarity of caps so you can go either way. 7 screws on bottom of case and it's open.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2015, 09:11:00 PM »
Ok, a few tests, for what they're worth.  Pay no attention if you don't care about graphs and numbers.  I bought both the 70D and a used 702 and I decided I would keep the one the one that had better "quiet room" measurement of noise using a high quality pair of mics (I do some nature ambiences), having just got the 702 delivered today, I had to do the test, of course.  I was asking for the data anyway, so...  :)

Three recorders: 
Sony PCM-M10 with internal mics, Tascam DR-70D fed by an M/S pair (Sennheiser MKH40/30), and a Sound Devices 702, fed by the same M/S pair.

Arrangement:
In the quietest room that I have at my disposal (which isn't anechoic by any means  :-\), a 440 Hz sine wave tone was played at a fixed volume through a loudspeaker and this tone was used to set all gain settings for all recorders to a steady -20 dB readout on the level meters.  Then, the tone was turned off, all lights/HVAC/etc was turned off and I hit record and walked away while 44.1/96 files were recorded for about 1 minute.  I dumped all of the files in SoundForge Pro 11 and selected the quietest 20 seconds of each file and displayed the statistics.  I also screen captured the power spectra for the 20-20,000 region and a more detailed region from 2-10 kHz, where the most obvious difference was.  Take the information for what it is, an imperfect measurement. 

Data:
Here is an Excel file to grab:   https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-o5v-jZ9NUjVDkzMy1IUzViVW8/view?usp=sharing  (This is an Excel spreadsheet.  Once the file opens in the viewer, if you are using Chrome, that is, you should hit 'open in Google Sheets'. Hopefully that allows you to look at the file if you don't have Excel.)

My take:
I interpret it as under these conditions, the DR-70D holds it's own quite well against the SD702 and both are noticeably (even audibly, hiss-wise, when played through loudspeakers at my normal listening volume) than the Sony recorder/internal mic combo (uh, no surprise??).
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2015, 09:50:14 PM »
Nice one!

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I dumped all of the files in SoundForge Pro 11 and selected the quietest 20 seconds of each file and displayed the statistics.

Does this mean that you chose a different time period from each file - in other words, it's not the same bit of noise that we're seeing?  If that's the case it's a slight weakness in the test, even though the outcome looks very much as expected.  Maybe you could clarify.

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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2015, 09:55:02 PM »
Nice one!

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I dumped all of the files in SoundForge Pro 11 and selected the quietest 20 seconds of each file and displayed the statistics.

Does this mean that you chose a different time period from each file - in other words, it's not the same bit of noise that we're seeing?  If that's the case it's a slight weakness in the test, even though the outcome looks very much as expected.  Maybe you could clarify.

Each file was recorded separately in time (first one recorder, then second, etc.), so the sections that I selected are from different absolute times, yes.  The quiet sections of the file were "settled" enough for a minute or two so grabbing a representative 20 seconds was pretty easy.  Yes, I agree, it would have been nice to have the three recordings going all simultaneously, recording the same silence, and then analyzing the same file segments for each recorder.

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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2015, 10:07:37 PM »
A really big thank you for posting this. 

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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2015, 10:56:39 PM »
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Each file was recorded separately in time

Yeah, sorry, I realised that a few minutes after posting and have only now been able to get back to acknowledge that my post was one of my dumbest...

Very interesting test - one might speculate that with the mod, if it does lower noise, the 70D would approach the SD702's noise performance, which is pretty impressive.  I wish I had the excuse to buy one of these...

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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2015, 11:10:33 PM »
One excuse is the 70d is less expensive than the 702 or the 744T. 

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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2015, 11:13:26 PM »
If I recorded music, where crowd murmur made up the noise floor, I would by two 70Ds: one for recording and one for backup, and then use the extra cash I saved by not buying a SD7XX for more cool mics.  The 70D is pretty darn good as far as noise floor and that is not even taking it's price tag into account.  I would be shocked if Tascam didn't sell a bunch of these units...  Given the fact that I like to push gain pretty hard both in recording and post for a good bit of what I like to record, I want a Really Quiet recorder...  One thing that I didn't test is how each unit performed at max input gain settings, which would be interesting as well.  Maybe one day.  Depends on how long I keep both of these recorders.  $omething has to give!    Then again, maybe I'll keep the 70D as a backup.....I can talk myself into anything, apparently.   :facepalm: :laugh:
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2015, 08:51:05 AM »
Sample track from my first outing with the 70D.  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6hXEZZFMb7fMDI0R2wtcUZlcWc/view?usp=sharing

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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2015, 11:23:27 AM »
Sounds great Lee! Thanks for that. I ran 480s a long time, and I know what they sound like! That said, the 70D sounds amazing with them IMO 8)
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2015, 11:43:37 AM »
Thanks Bean.  I can't wait to get this rig in a proper room.  The show last night was at the Continental Club.  Sound is never great (vocals too hot last night), and always super chatty.
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Re: Tascam DR-70D 4-channel audio recorder (Part 2)
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2015, 07:49:20 PM »
So I ordered the Strut bag a couple of days ago.  Should be here on Tuesday.  I was cleaning my gear closet today and found my Portabrace RM-Multi.  It's still just a little big, but with a foam wedge under the Tascam, this could definitely be a great option for people.  It you ever want to run four channels you would have to have right angle XLRs.
My AKGs are in the container in the accessory pouch.  RAVPower Element 10400mAh external rests in pouch on top of DR-70D to help fill the space.

I also bought a couple of power cables from Amazon.  They are both one foot long.  Left angle and Right angle.  Great for any configuration and both have clearance over the XLR connector on channel 4.

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