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Re: Zoom F8 - Part 2
« Reply #90 on: December 31, 2015, 11:53:03 AM »
Ran with trim link last night, both using the physical pots and bluetooth. Works like a charm.
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Re: Zoom F8 - Part 2
« Reply #91 on: December 31, 2015, 02:35:08 PM »
I loaded V2.0 earlier today and played around with it a bit.  Change is good, but I'm not sure I like all of the changes, especially the change that allows the trim knob to control mixer settings.  I don't see the point since the select encoder does the same thing.  It makes it frustrating if you've changed the setting to 'mixer' but then forget to switch it back.  You start recording and go to adjust levels and they're disabled due to this selection.   

The mixer setting is required by the Film and Video people, who want to send a real time controllable mix to a camera or separate stereo track, without changing the levels of the recorded ISO tracks.

A facility essential for the Film and Video recordists, who are the main target for the F8, but of little use to the taper community.

Thanks for this feedback.  It's good to know.

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Re: Zoom F8 - Part 2
« Reply #92 on: December 31, 2015, 03:35:48 PM »
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/F8d

$899.99

Demo unit...but, its Sweetwater...

(posting this here instead of retail - since its only 1 unit.)

There have been a couple units that have shown up on E-Bay for that price as well.
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Re: Zoom F8 - Part 2
« Reply #93 on: January 01, 2016, 10:48:12 AM »
With it being a new and still hot item, I don't foresee the retail price coming down anytime soon. 

I could be mistaken because I haven't followed Zoom products that closely in the past, but my impression is that Zoom leaves their prices where they set them unlike Tascam who introduced the 70d at $299, dropped it to as low as $179 and now put it back up to $299.  I am not aware of Zoom doing similar promotional pricing, but I'm not sure on it. 

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Re: Zoom F8 - Part 2
« Reply #94 on: January 01, 2016, 11:44:28 PM »
Zoom does some discounting. I have seen the H6, H4N come down from time to time, but nothing like Tascam which drastically slashes prices. I predict the F8 will eventually come down a bit after the initial buzz dies down ($799-$899)...

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Re: Zoom F8 - Part 2
« Reply #95 on: January 02, 2016, 01:25:29 AM »
Anybody pick up a case for the F8?  If so, what did you get and what do you think of it?  I'm looking at the usual Porta Brace, but was wondering if anyone found any other options.
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Re: Zoom F8 - Part 2
« Reply #96 on: January 02, 2016, 06:55:31 AM »
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Re: Zoom F8 - Part 2
« Reply #97 on: January 02, 2016, 09:50:21 AM »
True, but the Zoom bag is more bag than I am looking for.  I am more interested in a protective case for the unit that will then fit in my regular field bag.  I can't tell from the pictures whether the section holding the unit in the Zoom bag is detachable.  Even if it was, it wouldn't have a top or closure, which would be a problem.  So far, all I have been able to find is the Porta Brace, which is closer to what I am looking for.  Didn't know whether anyone had come across anything else.  Unit may still be too new for third parties to be producing accessories.
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Zoom F8 Gang Feature, Update Wish List and Bag
« Reply #98 on: January 02, 2016, 02:36:47 PM »
In regards to the Zoom F8 bag which I own, it's pretty nice and you can separate the front storage bag from the actual case that holds the unit.
As far as the new gang feature goes, I just updated mine in the New Yorker by MSG and will try it tonight. From what I can tell, there is kind of a scary quick way to the ganging menu while recording. "press and hold 'stop' then press the '3' button and then release both. It then brings you to the gang menu. From there, say you have 1/2 ganged and want to raise/lower one of them. Deselect the one you want to change and then adjust the trim knob using the led meter on that channel for reference of the changes. Then reselect the box to gang it again and hit menu to return to the screen for metering. I say this is scary because if your balls aren't screwed on tight and you mess up this key combo, you run the risk of stopping the recording. As far as a couple more updates I'd like to see would be a way to clear the clip indicators on the display screen so you are aware if it happens again after lowering the gain. An input pad would be another helpful feature. I have some extremely sensitive Sennheiser MKH 8000 series mics but don't have the inline pad and need to keep the gain on the F8 all the way off/at 0 and it's still close to clipping. Other that that, I am really happy with this unit.
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Re: Zoom F8 - Part 2
« Reply #99 on: January 02, 2016, 05:33:13 PM »
My F8 just arrived today and I am very happy with the unit so far.  Downloaded the firmware update and got it set in the bag to run tonight.  Tomorrow i will be pimping it out with custom cables.
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Re: Zoom F8 - Part 2
« Reply #100 on: January 02, 2016, 08:32:00 PM »
From what I can tell, there is kind of a scary quick way to the ganging menu while recording. "press and hold 'stop' then press the '3' button and then release both. It then brings you to the gang menu. From there, say you have 1/2 ganged and want to raise/lower one of them. Deselect the one you want to change and then adjust the trim knob using the led meter on that channel for reference of the changes. Then reselect the box to gang it again and hit menu to return to the screen for metering.

FWIW, the same thing can be done while recording without using the shortcut.  Just press the menu key and access the 'trim link' option from the input menu, which is active even when you're recording.  I actually prefer this method because, as you've mentioned, to implement the shortcuts you have to first press stop, which I'm not going to risk.

I say this is scary because if your balls aren't screwed on tight and you mess up this key combo, you run the risk of stopping the recording.

Agreed 100%. 

Zoom has gotten most everything right with the design of the F8, but using the 'stop' button as the shortcut prompt is a real head scratcher.  I've played around with the shortcuts and it's really easy to accidentally stop your recording.  In fact, I found that I stopped the recording more than I activated the shortcut.  As a result, as a best practice, I've decided that I'm just not going to use the shortcuts at all if I'm recording.  For me, it's just not worth the risk of messing up a recording. 

The question is, why wouldn't they use the select encoder as the shortcut prompt?  Isn't that what the encoder is for? 

As far as a couple more updates I'd like to see would be a way to clear the clip indicators on the display screen so you are aware if it happens again after lowering the gain.

That's actually one of the shortcuts they provided on v2.0 of the firmware update...'stop' plus 'five'.  Personally, I'm not gonna risk accidentally stopping my recording just to clear the clip indicators though.
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Re: Zoom F8 - Part 2
« Reply #101 on: January 03, 2016, 01:08:06 PM »
True, but the Zoom bag is more bag than I am looking for.  I am more interested in a protective case for the unit that will then fit in my regular field bag.  I can't tell from the pictures whether the section holding the unit in the Zoom bag is detachable.  Even if it was, it wouldn't have a top or closure, which would be a problem.  So far, all I have been able to find is the Porta Brace, which is closer to what I am looking for.  Didn't know whether anyone had come across anything else.  Unit may still be too new for third parties to be producing accessories.

Check out WalMart's selection of pouches for electronics and esp. guns.  A gun pouch often does the trick.  About $10-15 max.

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Re: Zoom F8 - Part 2
« Reply #102 on: January 03, 2016, 03:38:04 PM »
hello!
what is about the inputs limiters?
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Re: Zoom F8 - Part 2
« Reply #103 on: January 04, 2016, 01:29:08 AM »
My F8 just arrived today and I am very happy with the unit so far.  Downloaded the firmware update and got it set in the bag to run tonight.  Tomorrow i will be pimping it out with custom cables.
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Re: Zoom F8 - Part 2
« Reply #104 on: January 08, 2016, 10:58:56 PM »
True, but the Zoom bag is more bag than I am looking for.  I am more interested in a protective case for the unit that will then fit in my regular field bag.  I can't tell from the pictures whether the section holding the unit in the Zoom bag is detachable.  Even if it was, it wouldn't have a top or closure, which would be a problem.  So far, all I have been able to find is the Porta Brace, which is closer to what I am looking for.  Didn't know whether anyone had come across anything else.  Unit may still be too new for third parties to be producing accessories.

Check out WalMart's selection of pouches for electronics and esp. guns.  A gun pouch often does the trick.  About $10-15 max.

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