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Panasonic has announced a brand new compact camera entitled TZ100 in the EU (TZ101 in Germany) and ZS100 in the US at the CES in Vegas which includes following specs:

1 Inch Sensor (probably from Sony)
10x optical Zoom (37-370mm in 4k Video)
20x intelligent zoom
F 2.8-5.9 lens (f4 reached with 70mm kb equivalent)
4k 25/30p video (max. 15min sequence)
manual P/A/S/M and iA settings in both photo and movie possible
live viewfinder

available in March 2016

The only downhill compared to the RX100 models would be the F 2.8-5.9 aperture, otherwise it would beat those by far.
If you need more than 160mm focal length (like the LX100 or RX100 III / IV) this should be the best one available for now if you don't go for DSLR or bridge cams.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2016, 03:00:43 PM by sckofelng »
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I currently still use a ZS7 from many years ago, mainly  because it shoots unlimited in 720P.  I'm thinking of upgrading, and this is how I think the models progressed over the years:

ZS7 to ZS20 to ZS40 to ZS50, now to ZS100.

ZS7 has a decent 12x zoom
ZS20 went to 20X
ZS50 went to 30X

From the specs of the ZS100, it looks like there is a larger sensor, but the zoom is now down to 10x, slightly less than my ZS7.   

Is my understanding correct?  I can get a decent shot from most seats in an arena with a ZS7.  Will I notice a big change zoom-wise going from 12x to 10x, or is there some other lens math I should also look at?

I'm thinking maybe the ZS20 or ZS50 is what I should be looking at perhaps.

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Well the Number of times you can zoom in the picture matters almost 0.

What matters is the focal length and the ZS7 has a focal length of 25-300mm if i am not mistaken (maybe a bit more when shooting in 720p HD)
However, the ZS100 has a twist in that:
If you film in FullHD  the focal length goes from 28mm to 280mm, but the focal length in 4k video mode moves from 28mm start to 37mm start, giving it a total focal length of 37mm-370mm aka more than the ZS7.
The only disadvantage would be the 15 min limit which is also installed on the US models, but I think there is no limit when shooting in FullHD.

The 4x bigger sensor makes it worth it if you ask me.. and you can still add the intelligent zoom in emergency cases which should still look better than the ZS7 with optical zoom only.
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Looks to me as the ZS50 has the longest focal length  24mm -720mm.

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Yeah but a 4x smaller sensor, I'm pretty sure the ZS100 performs better with i.zoom than the ZS50 with optical zoom, especially if 4k gets downscaled to FullHD. The ZS50 has 30mm-900mm focal length when recording FullHD video (source Panasonic specs).
 I'm not sure if anyone would need it that much when filming open with a digicam quite close to the stage anyway, but that is just my opinion right here.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2016, 04:51:27 PM by sckofelng »
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Thanks for explaining some of the math to me.  It's starting to make sense.   I appreciate you guys commenting on this.  I'm just learning to read the specs.

I see that the new ZS100 does have a 1 inch sensor.  A 1 inch sensor is 4x better than a 1/2.3 sensor because the area is 4 times larger, correct?  I'm guessing then that the ZS100 should be fairly decent in low light.

Do you know what the shooting modes are on the ZS100?  You mention a 15 min limit.  The ZS7 lets me shoot 720P unlimited.  Might there be a similar mode on the ZS100?  I understand that above 720P, there is a 30 min limit.  Is the 4K 15 min limit a 4GB file issue? Do the models between the ZS7 and ZS50 have 30 min limit, too?   For filming 90min to 2 hr shows, 30 min isn't a bad place to start and stop.  15 min might be a little tougher to work with.


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Thanks for explaining some of the math to me.  It's starting to make sense.   I appreciate you guys commenting on this.  I'm just learning to read the specs.

I see that the new ZS100 does have a 1 inch sensor.  A 1 inch sensor is 4x better than a 1/2.3 sensor because the area is 4 times larger, correct?  I'm guessing then that the ZS100 should be fairly decent in low light.

Do you know what the shooting modes are on the ZS100?  You mention a 15 min limit.  The ZS7 lets me shoot 720P unlimited.  Might there be a similar mode on the ZS100?  I understand that above 720P, there is a 30 min limit.  Is the 4K 15 min limit a 4GB file issue? Do the models between the ZS7 and ZS50 have 30 min limit, too?   For filming 90min to 2 hr shows, 30 min isn't a bad place to start and stop.  15 min might be a little tougher to work with.

No problem, anytime :)

Yes it is 4x larger and also, much more area of it is being used because only a part of the sensor is being used at both FULLHD and 4k Digicams because the pixel count is much higher than the video resolution. I don't know how many pixels the previous models made use of, but the camcorders used much less parts of the sensor because less pixels were only needed for the FullHD resolution. That meant less light could be captured aka less lowlight ability.
That also changes a bit with 4k. Approx. 8 mpx is the 4k resolution and therefore much more space of the sensor can be used. The ZS100 will be the new referrence of the bigger zoom compact cameras most likely.

As for the limits, Panasonic changed their policy of giving the non-european consumers unlimited video for these compact cameras to prevent people from stopping buying DSLRs or Camcorders. It's no 4 GB limit, 15mins should be around 10-11 GB. I don't know if it's the case but the ZS100 could be capable of doing unlimited FullHD video. All models between the ZS7 to ZS50 had the limit in Europe at least, don't know about models outside of Europe.

However, if you leave that out, you have 4 modes of (half) manual settings where you can set ISO, focus, aperture, white balance). It does not have the Cinematic profiles like the FZ1000 but the standard profile might do well, too. If you don't want to get into the manual settings then there are also intelligent automatic settings available. As for me, I always shoot manual because it lets me have all the control of the picture which I always wanted. If you have short songs to film, the 15min limit is not a big issue for me, but if you have long songs to film it can be nerve wrecking for sure.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2016, 03:44:29 PM by sckofelng »
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Thanks for the news on the new camera. Great specs!
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First concert sample is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrBgEyBytak

My opinion on first sight: as good as FZ1000 until there, but might be a slight little worse at full zoom due to the f 5.9 aperture. I can't wait to tape with this one this summer!!
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First concert sample is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrBgEyBytak

Maybe it was just an anomaly for the ZS100, but I see it go out of focus at the 40 second mark ... and it reminded me of my Panasonic Lumix experience (forget the model numbers - I've had two over the years).  It's a big reason why I switched to Sony around 4-5 years ago and haven't ever gone back. 
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I was noticing that too, but it looked like that guy was playing with the manual ring too fast because it wasn't even trying to focus back on its own after it went out of focus.
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I assumed that was auto-focus.  Hopefully the filmer can clarify.  It used to drive me crazy ... every time I zoomed in or out, the camera went out of focus for a second or two.
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I experienced the same with my FZ1000 but somehow found a way to avoid it (not zooming while agressive lights are there) and I had many less problems with the LX100, that one seemed to focus much superior.
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A 4K video I shot on my ZS100 that I down converted to 1080p. Only downconverted it because I didn't have the 4K presets for Adobe Media Encoder CS6.

The video was synced in Adobe Premiere Pro CS6 with an audio recording I did with a pair of CA-11s >> Ugly II Pre-Amp >> Edirol R-09HR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THhWksKvNKw

Shot a lot of photos and video with the ZS100 at Coachella last weekend. Have to say I'm thoroughly impressed with the results.

Some of my photo highlights
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.821074408036040.1073742116.153430858133735&type=3
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.821644364645711.1073742117.153430858133735&type=3
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.822244757919005.1073742118.153430858133735&type=3
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Holy shit, I just watched the Ice Cube videos and those looked even more amazing, I am freaking excited to have it for my summer :)
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I was mostly surprised how well the focus held while in autofocus mode. Typically audience heads and hands that get in the way wreak havoc on the focus, but for the most part it holds up well shooting video while the sensor is in the right focus zone. Even if it does drift, it drifts slowly.  When in manual focus mode and when I trigger the autofocus temporarily with the touch screen or one of my custom buttons to help me out that's when it sometimes has troubles searching the focus extremes.

The camera's mic is also surprisingly decent. The audio I was getting even when pretty much standing right in front of the speakers is actually listenable. You can tell there's some harsh limiting going on and there's still some mild distortion, but it's not the overmodulated mess I'm used to from ever other camera I've owned.

Whenever I shot video I set the aperture to f/5.6 since I tend to use the full rage of the zoom all the time. So ideally it's better for well lit shows, but at a darker lit show I was still getting nice looking video cranking the ISO to 3200.
I shoot concert video and post my footage to YouTube
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http://www.youtube.com/victoriabcmusicscene

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Alessia Cara at Coachella - Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e7VdZKhw-8

Edit: Weird. Adobe Media Encoder must be stuttering on my my Surface Pro 3 encoding the 4K vid causing weird frame freezes.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2016, 05:17:41 PM by magmazing »
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http://www.youtube.com/magmazing
http://www.youtube.com/victoriabcmusicscene

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Canon HF S100 Camcorder
Canon 70D dSLR
Panasonic ZS100 digital camera
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I am renting the ZS100 for a week & used it for a concert arena & then later for a club to see how it performs.
I will be checking HD 60 & 4K modes as well as the I.Zoom just in case I need the extra reach to see if there is any noticeable
degradation on quality.
Last night for Boston at The Seminole Hollywood Hard Rock I did several test with HD & 4K modes & I Zoom.

This song was filmed in HD used just the 28 to 270 zoom. ISO 400 Exposure - 1/2

https://youtu.be/Ku3f-4b7Wgo

The 4K zoom is 37 to 370 because of the crop factor.
4K time linit is 15 min and HD record time is 29.59

The 15.00 minute 4K recording time limit is a hassle as some bands just simply go into a second or third song and it gets close
as you want to stop & start quickly without music loss.

Here is the 4K song I did. ISO 400 Exposure - 1/2  - No iZoom just 37 - 370 4K crop zoom.

https://youtu.be/9UsFMZGo0Ew

(Takes YouTube a little bit to get full resolution uploaded.
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While the HD looks great the 4K is as expected simply stunning.
I also just took the 4K video & rendered it to HD & it still is vastly superior to the camera shot HD!
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Yep, 4K looks so much better indeed, thank you very much for the video, words can't describe how excited I am to tape with it. It has such superior focus abilities compared to the FZ1000, I believe I will sell that one for now and get that one instead and maybe get the Sony RX10 MK3 later on (there is another thread for that one in here)
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Panasonic DMC-LX100 (manual settings)

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Yep, 4K looks so much better indeed, thank you very much for the video, words can't describe how excited I am to tape with it. It has such superior focus abilities compared to the FZ1000, I believe I will sell that one for now and get that one instead and maybe get the Sony RX10 MK3 later on (there is another thread for that one in here)

I will get & test the Sony RX10 MKIII in the next couple of weeks once it's released to try.
I think that & this ZS100 will be the combo to beat.
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Just for a comparison with another 4K cam - here's some video I shot last night with a Sony FDR-AX100:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q_ktigvqnA

It has a function called the neutral density filter (ND filter) that allows you to film when there is intense lighting (think sunlight behind a subject - or for us, stage lights behind a musician).  It has three settings (not including zero) and I played around with it during the show (you can see the change in lighting when I adjusted it).

Obviously, I down-converted this video to 1080 HD.  I like how it shoots video.  It's a one hour video.  Just skim through it to see the different lighting using the ND filter.  I'd recommend watching the last four minutes just for entertainment's sake - it got a little crazy on stage.  It's a Journey tribute band called "Journey Unauthorized."
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Yep, 4K looks so much better indeed, thank you very much for the video, words can't describe how excited I am to tape with it. It has such superior focus abilities compared to the FZ1000, I believe I will sell that one for now and get that one instead and maybe get the Sony RX10 MK3 later on (there is another thread for that one in here)

I will get & test the Sony RX10 MKIII in the next couple of weeks once it's released to try.
I think that & this ZS100 will be the combo to beat.

I can't wait to see the results, what type of shows (venue size, lights) are you filming for the test?

I agree, this combo and the LX100 for first row shots is the combination to beat.

Will you be able to test the hack to pass the rec time limit? I would LOVE to see if heat is a problem when filming 2 hours in a row in 4k (with a 128 GB SDXC).

Just for a comparison with another 4K cam - here's some video I shot last night with a Sony FDR-AX100:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q_ktigvqnA

It has a function called the neutral density filter (ND filter) that allows you to film when there is intense lighting (think sunlight behind a subject - or for us, stage lights behind a musician).  It has three settings (not including zero) and I played around with it during the show (you can see the change in lighting when I adjusted it).

Obviously, I down-converted this video to 1080 HD.  I like how it shoots video.  It's a one hour video.  Just skim through it to see the different lighting using the ND filter.  I'd recommend watching the last four minutes just for entertainment's sake - it got a little crazy on stage.  It's a Journey tribute band called "Journey Unauthorized."

Looking neat as well but the focus is really poor on this one when zooming in to full tele or is that just me?
Also, this one is giant and I must admit I have already gotten used to be away from all the troubleshooting inside venues when filming with a camcorder, it just feels much better :)
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Panasonic DMC-LX100 (manual settings)

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Just for a comparison with another 4K cam - here's some video I shot last night with a Sony FDR-AX100:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q_ktigvqnA

It has a function called the neutral density filter (ND filter) that allows you to film when there is intense lighting (think sunlight behind a subject - or for us, stage lights behind a musician).  It has three settings (not including zero) and I played around with it during the show (you can see the change in lighting when I adjusted it).

Obviously, I down-converted this video to 1080 HD.  I like how it shoots video.  It's a one hour video.  Just skim through it to see the different lighting using the ND filter.  I'd recommend watching the last four minutes just for entertainment's sake - it got a little crazy on stage.  It's a Journey tribute band called "Journey Unauthorized."

I would love to go with a dedicated camcorder but I can walk in with my FZ1000 into just about any venue and the ZS100 will be as easy as a phone but a camcorder would pretty much cause a stir. I usually only shoot where it's iffy so I need the camera body 4K for now.
Your footage looked great!!
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Do you guys have 4k computer monitors?

Also what is everyone using to edit 4k footage.

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Do you guys have 4k computer monitors?

Also what is everyone using to edit 4k footage.

I have an older 30" Mac Monitor (Matt Screen) but the detail & quality is apparent it is cleaner & crisper
than any HD. My PC is a few years old but handles it well I use Sony Vegas Pro to edit & render.
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Using Sony Vegas to synch my ext. audio with the samples I want to render and then "implementing" to Premiere Pro to render only as the h264 codec works much superior there, especially in 4k.
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Do you guys have 4k computer monitors?

Also what is everyone using to edit 4k footage.

I have a nice laptop that is pretty powerful as far as laptops go (I don't remember the actual specs) and it can play back the footage just fine, but when I drop it into Vegas Pro 13, it gets kind of weird.  There's a really nasty stutter to the audio.  This might be because the audio in the video is 5.1.  When I render the audio to a wave file, and play the wave file along with the video - it sounds just fine.  It gets really hot while encoding video and oddly enough, it struggles to encode an SD version (to make a DVD5) from the 4k footage - but can encode a 1080p file without a problem.

I built a video editing work station a few months ago and put $3k into it.  It can play back the 4K footage just fine and has no problem rendering it to any format.

Already previously mentioned - I use Vegas 13 Pro (a legit copy).

I am in the market for a monitor for my work station.  I am not entirely clear on what specs I should be looking for though.  Any help in that regard would be appreciated.
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I think ill will start by upgrading to vegas 13 from 9 that i am still using with great success with 1080 avchd footage.
Might also get the Sony ax100.Waiting on final specs for Panasonic AG UX 180 camera.
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Just for a comparison with another 4K cam - here's some video I shot last night with a Sony FDR-AX100:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q_ktigvqnA

It has a function called the neutral density filter (ND filter) that allows you to film when there is intense lighting (think sunlight behind a subject - or for us, stage lights behind a musician).  It has three settings (not including zero) and I played around with it during the show (you can see the change in lighting when I adjusted it).

Obviously, I down-converted this video to 1080 HD.  I like how it shoots video.  It's a one hour video.  Just skim through it to see the different lighting using the ND filter.  I'd recommend watching the last four minutes just for entertainment's sake - it got a little crazy on stage.  It's a Journey tribute band called "Journey Unauthorized."

I would love to go with a dedicated camcorder but I can walk in with my FZ1000 into just about any venue and the ZS100 will be as easy as a phone but a camcorder would pretty much cause a stir. I usually only shoot where it's iffy so I need the camera body 4K for now.
Your footage looked great!!

I rarely film anything open; the video for which I posted a link is kind of a rarity for me in that it was basically an open shooting scenario.  I will eventually replace my Sony HX9V with a 4K point-and-shoot for when I really need to  >:D from up close.  But with a nice 4K videocam like the AX100, you can  >:D from the cheap seats and still get an amazing shot (you can actually crop it and make a 1080p video that looks like you shot it from much closer).  One really nice thing about the AX100 is that you can shoot continuous video for over two hours with no gaps using a bigger battery and a 64GB card.  You end up with a single file that is huge - but I actually like it better that way.
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What size cards are you guys using when shooting video?

Mainly going for 64 GB SDXC by Sandisk which have something between 17 - 23 MB writing speed. You can film approx. 85min with those.
I also got one 128 GB SDXC by Sandisk which has a writing speed of 35-45 MB per second. You can film approx. 170min with that one.

You kinda have to calculate with 4x more space compared to filming in AVCHD 50p 28mbit.
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What size cards are you guys using when shooting video?

I use the sandisk extreme 128gb ..the card had to be a class 10 for 4K.
If stealthily 128 for main set and 64 for encores to secure the goods.

After renting the ZS100 I decided that it was well worth it and I ordered one from B&H and right now B&H has a special bundle deal if you buy the ZS100 you get a free wall charger and extra battery, the true panny charger & battery not an aftermarket, a hundred dollar value for free and you can't beat an external charger and an extra battery they are necessities and the ZS100 does not come with a wall charger!
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Wow. That's a lot of archiving space needed too!
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http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NP63Y4K/ref=twister_B009RVUYAY

This one should work, right?

I have
one of those as well and it works great and it is a class ten.
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The ZS100 should be here by Thursday.  Can't wait to try it out.  What sort of battery life should I expect shooting video?  I ordered an extra battery as well...
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The ZS100 should be here by Thursday.  Can't wait to try it out.  What sort of battery life should I expect shooting video?  I ordered an extra battery as well...

I wont know fully until Saturday. I have Joe Walsh & Bad Company second row.
Sunday local blues club Mike Zito & JP Soars.
I have two batteries as well. I'll report.

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As of right now, I don't plan on shooting entire shows.  Of course that could change.  :)

Is it pretty quick and easy to start a new file at the 15 minute mark?
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Camera arrived today.  Gonna take a while to figure this thing out.

From the manual:

Motion pictures with their file size set to [4K] in [MP4]:
Recording stops when the continuous recording time exceeds 15 minutes.
When you are using an SDHC memory card, you can continue recording
without interruption even if the file exceeds 4 GB, but the motion picture
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Memory Card, you can record a motion picture in a single file even if the
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Sunday will be my first shot with it :)

Rockavaria in Munich, Germany with Iron Maiden headlining. Slayer, Anthrax, Ghost and a couple others are on the bill as well! Will film Maiden and Slayer at least and see about the rest.
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Go easy on me...

Youtube is still processing the different HD versions.  The 1440p version is active though.
I was using the wireless feature and had it connected to my iPhone.  For some reason when I turned the phone off, the camera stopped recording, so I didn't get the first song recorded.  Pretty much had all the settings on automatic.  Gonna be a fantastic little camera to have in the bag once I figure out all the settings.  Tips and comments appreciated.

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I shot a bunch of footage the other night of Jason Bonham which turn out excellent, especially considering i was ten feet from the back wall of the venue. The footage looks pretty damn good on my 55' LG.

I was wondering what settings you guys are using in movie mode and if your all shooting in 4k and then rendering down for youtube or your television. I received the camera in the mail an hour before the show so I wasn't able to read much of the manual, but i did notice you can only shoot 4k in mp4 mode, correct me if I am wrong.

I don't know if it is inherent of the image stabilization when shooting from a far distance but the footage looks like I filmed the band on a stiff tripod when I pan across the stage. It doesn't have a smooth feel to it. Could this be because I'm shooting a such a zoomed in setting or is this the norm with this kind of image stabilization?
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Image stabilization will fight against a pan,trying to grab onto something to stabilize.If panning better to not use IS,and if your using a tripod always turn off IS.

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Any recommendations on video tutorials for shooting concert video?

I have a long, detailed tutorial somewhere that I wrote years ago; but it was really more for the earlier stealth days when you had to shoot with an old-school video camera.  These days, security isn't so much of an issue - you can actually pay much more attention to just shooting good video.

The main thing I would emphasize is holding the camera steady.  I find the best way to do this is to hold the camera up near my face and lock my elbows down by my sides (up against the rib cage).  Rather than turning my hands to pan, I prefer to hold the camera steady as previously described and pan by turning my body.  I find that I can maintain a really nice, steady shot this way.  I also try to keep a good awareness of what's happening on the stage itself - and not just what I can see in the view-finder.  So I maintain my camera position with my elbows locked down by my sides, and look around the rest of the stage by turning my eyes and head.  You just have to trust that you're getting a good shot even though you are NOT looking at the view-finder.  Obviously, you don't want to keep your eyes off the view-finder for an extended period.  When I am shooting while standing (which is usually the case), I also like to lean against something.  A wall is nice if there is one, but also the back of the seat in front of me also works.  Lastly, just accept the fact that to shoot a two hour show really well while standing up is going to take a lot of concentration and you're going to feel it in your body.  By the time I'm done, my knees are sore, back is stiff, and I sometimes I have a splitting headache from dehydration (I don't hydrate well before a show because then I'll have go pee really bad during the show).  It's just a matter of dedication.
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All recent KoRn, Iron Maiden, Slayer and Gojira shots are done with the TZ100! KoRn (which turned out good imo because of the good mix) and Maiden have (not so good due to much echo in the stadium) have cam audio due to my mics fucking up.

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Thanks for the tips guitard.  Especially about locking the elbows in.  Luckily most show I will be using a tripod.

As far as settings go, are y'all typically using auto or manual focus?  What about metering...center weighted or spot?
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I use full manual when doing video and or photo myself but not everyone understands what to do so....

If you must use auto for video Center weighted will be better choice than Spot metering.(But if shooting manual no metering mode is used as you set the exposure yourself.)

Since you are using tripod i would also recommend not using Auto focus,since you seem to be doing a locked full stage shot  i would obtain focus in manual mode and leave it.Also if using tripod turn OFF any Image stabilization.

Also for video the normal shutter speed should be set and kept at 1/60 at 30fps,1/48 at 24fps,1/120 at 60p(1/125 may be only selectable choice)

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I had planned on panning and zooming on Saturday.  The first time I zoomed I saw it lose focus pretty quickly.  Decided for a static shot for that night until I was comfortable with all my settings.
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I haven't done rock concert videos but I've shot some fairly large production hula shows with Lumix gear - lately two GH4s on tripods. Having two cams is a huge plus, of course, because I can set one camera wide and use one to follow the action.

Shooting one camera I would definitely shoot 4k, frame the whole stage, and leave it there. I would use manual focus to prevent hunting. I would use manual white balance, set to tungsten or about 3500 Kelvin, to prevent color shifts when stage lighting changes. I would use manual exposure or shutter priority.

Then I'd deliver in 720, which lets me zoom in substantially without any loss in quality. And once I'm zoomed I can pan.

The "180 degree rule" for shutter speed might be a little less than a rule. It's based on traditional film technology, and the details of digital imaging are quite different. It's worth a lot to do plenty of test shots to learn how different shutter speeds change the image. Of course, a slower shutter increases motion blur, so there's a definite lower limit, but some folks prefer something slower than the traditional 180 degree choice.

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Against Me! covering The Clash. Manual video mode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfBm_e7N9_A

Is that audio from the camera, or is it synced with an external source?
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Against Me! covering The Clash. Manual video mode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfBm_e7N9_A

Is that audio from the camera, or is it synced with an external source?

I replaced the audio with my external mic source using multi-track sync in Premiere.

If you're curious what the camera can do, here is the raw file from the camera of this performance (Warning, it's 4k and big...2.3gb) https://www.dropbox.com/s/k1wau2q8qhcz0hc/P1010609.MP4?dl=0


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I shot a bunch of footage the other night of Jason Bonham which turn out excellent, especially considering i was ten feet from the back wall of the venue. The footage looks pretty damn good on my 55' LG.

I was wondering what settings you guys are using in movie mode and if your all shooting in 4k and then rendering down for youtube or your television. I received the camera in the mail an hour before the show so I wasn't able to read much of the manual, but i did notice you can only shoot 4k in mp4 mode, correct me if I am wrong.

I don't know if it is inherent of the image stabilization when shooting from a far distance but the footage looks like I filmed the band on a stiff tripod when I pan across the stage. It doesn't have a smooth feel to it. Could this be because I'm shooting a such a zoomed in setting or is this the norm with this kind of image stabilization?

I only used it once as well in a concert setting, but it did seem to me as though the stabilization was a bit better in 1080p mode vs 4k mode. I did just find this in the manual which seems to confirm my findings (There's a stabilization feature that does not work in 4k mode, page 235 of the manual..."The 5-axis Hybrid Image Stabilizer function is not available when recording motion pictures for
which [Rec Quality] is set to either [4K/100M/30p] or [4K/100M/24p]."):
http://imgur.com/DidyyFi

Also, you mentioned choppiness when panning...there also appears to be a stabilization setting dedicated to panning motion. Page 234 of the manual:
http://imgur.com/FelSC4x


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What are you guys using to convert your videos if you're shooting in 4k?
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^ I use Sony Vegas Pro 13.  You need a fairly powerful computer.
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The crop factor in 4K also affects image stabilization. You get a little extra zoom in 4K than 1080p so movement is more pronounced.

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Collective Soul: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMbh70iv7uI

I originally had the camera set for manual focus so I could use the front ring to control focus and avoid the autofocus putting the shot completely out of focus due to strobe lights, but using manual focus while looking through the tiny viewfinder was a pain.
I shoot concert video and post my footage to YouTube
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http://www.youtube.com/victoriabcmusicscene

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Canon HF S100 Camcorder
Canon 70D dSLR
Panasonic ZS100 digital camera
Sony HX10V Digital Camera
Edirol R-09HR Digital Audio Recorder
Church Audio CA-11 microphones

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Is there no focus peaking?

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Is there no focus peaking?

In manual focus mode there is the "Manual Focus Assist" function that enlarges the image either full screen or picture-in-picture, but it only works before you hit record. Once you hit record and the lead singer starts running around, you're basically guessing with the focus ring. I've also set one of the Fn buttons to activate autofocus in a pinch, but the only problem with that is once again you can only set what zone the camera's going to focus on before hitting record. Once you hit record you can't change the focus zone so you end up having to adjust the framing so the subject is in the hashmark where you have your focusing set and then autofocus then reframe the shot back to how you want it to look.

I shoot concert video and post my footage to YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/magmazing
http://www.youtube.com/victoriabcmusicscene

My Current Equipment:
Canon HF S100 Camcorder
Canon 70D dSLR
Panasonic ZS100 digital camera
Sony HX10V Digital Camera
Edirol R-09HR Digital Audio Recorder
Church Audio CA-11 microphones

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Looks great.  I'm still saving for my GH4 though.   8)  I've been doing multicam since 2010.  Feel free to ask any questions. 

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Google reviews state that there is focus peaking,fn2 button perhaps.Focus peaking is mandatory for 4k,no way i trust auto and the screens arent 4k so not possible to judge focus.

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Many, many more samples on my channel: http://www.youtube.com/blubbaiu
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Video:
Panasonic DMC-TZ100 (manual settings)
Panasonic DMC-LX100 (manual settings)

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mics : nakamichi cm300 (JB mod, cp1, cp2, cp3) , sp-cmc-4u (at-u853,4.7k mod) (c,h), primo em4052pmi4 (4.7k mod)
battery box : ca-ubb (2x)
recorder: roland r-05 (2x)
video: Panasonic hdc-sd600, Sony hx9v

upcoming shows:
2017.09.30 The Rolling Stones
2017.10.20 Goldfrapp
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Are most of you guys shooting in 4k and then converting to 1080 or just shooting in 1080 to avoid converting later? thoughts?
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Are most of you guys shooting in 4k and then converting to 1080 or just shooting in 1080 to avoid converting later? thoughts?

Bottom Line Up Front:  Always shoot in the highest resolution possible.

I shot several shows in 2010 with an HD cam in standard definition because I was under the assumption that hi-def video took up a lot more space than standard definition video and I only had two 16GB cards at the time.  I couldn't author blu-ray discs back then anyway - so I figured no big loss.

But then sometime later I found out that the difference in file sizes was actually rather minimal.  And then when I started authoring blu-ray discs I realized that all those great shows could have been blu-rays instead of DVDs.

So here I am in 2016 with a camera that can shoot 4K video - but I can't author 4K discs (yet).

Even though 4K video is much larger (in terms of file size) - I have vowed not to make the same mistake twice, so I always shoot in the highest resolution because 1) storage space is cheap and getting cheaper every month, and 2) I'm sure it's only a matter of time before I'll be able to author 4K discs.
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Are most of you guys shooting in 4k and then converting to 1080 or just shooting in 1080 to avoid converting later? thoughts?

Bottom Line Up Front:  Always shoot in the highest resolution possible.

I shot several shows in 2010 with an HD cam in standard definition because I was under the assumption that hi-def video took up a lot more space than standard definition video and I only had two 16GB cards at the time.  I couldn't author blu-ray discs back then anyway - so I figured no big loss.

But then sometime later I found out that the difference in file sizes was actually rather minimal.  And then when I started authoring blu-ray discs I realized that all those great shows could have been blu-rays instead of DVDs.

So here I am in 2016 with a camera that can shoot 4K video - but I can't author 4K discs (yet).

Even though 4K video is much larger (in terms of file size) - I have vowed not to make the same mistake twice, so I always shoot in the highest resolution because 1) storage space is cheap and getting cheaper every month, and 2) I'm sure it's only a matter of time before I'll be able to author 4K discs.

This. I already produced more than 2 TB of 4k video this year but it is so worth it
When the BluRay codec for 4k is ready (h265 i assume) then the file sizes will go down half anyway because that codec processes up to 50% better than h264!
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Panasonic DMC-LX100 (manual settings)

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Is this camera still restricted to 15 minutes in 4K? Really want a new camera (still rocking the HX9V) but want opinions on the 15 minute limit...(am I too worried?)
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Is this camera still restricted to 15 minutes in 4K? Really want a new camera (still rocking the HX9V) but want opinions on the 15 minute limit...(am I too worried?)

Yup 15 minute limit. I only get concerned about the limit if of a band decides to play a medley or three full songs without stopping. When I shoot a show I tend to stop and start between songs.
I shoot concert video and post my footage to YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/magmazing
http://www.youtube.com/victoriabcmusicscene

My Current Equipment:
Canon HF S100 Camcorder
Canon 70D dSLR
Panasonic ZS100 digital camera
Sony HX10V Digital Camera
Edirol R-09HR Digital Audio Recorder
Church Audio CA-11 microphones

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Looking to upgrade from ZS7 to a ZS100.  This looks like the camera to get. 

The zoom goes from a 12x on the ZS7 to a 10x on tha ZS100, but perhaps I can dip into the 20x zoom? 

How about modes and times for the ZS100?  Does it still do 720p umlimited like the ZS7?  The 1080p 29 min, 4K 15 min?

And audio wise, the ZS7 isn't horrible, is the ZS100 comparable?

Thanks,
Bill

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This cam has more focal length in 4k (370mm) than the ZS7, but less in FullHD (280mm). The ZS7 has a max. of 300mm if I am not mistaken.

i. Zoom can let it go further but I would try to avoid it unless taping in daylight.

4k max. 15 minutes, FullHD unlimited for the US models I believe, 30min max. for Euro models

The cam audio could be worse, check out my videos of KoRn in Luxembourg as well as Disturbed videos, they have the cam audio: https://www.youtube.com/user/blubbaiu/videos
Audio rig:
AT853 (w/ lowsensmod) > SP-SB11 > Sony PCM-M10

Video:
Panasonic DMC-TZ100 (manual settings)
Panasonic DMC-LX100 (manual settings)

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This cam has more focal length in 4k (370mm) than the ZS7, but less in FullHD (280mm). The ZS7 has a max. of 300mm if I am not mistaken.

i. Zoom can let it go further but I would try to avoid it unless taping in daylight.

4k max. 15 minutes, FullHD unlimited for the US models I believe, 30min max. for Euro models

The cam audio could be worse, check out my videos of KoRn in Luxembourg as well as Disturbed videos, they have the cam audio: https://www.youtube.com/user/blubbaiu/videos

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mics : nakamichi cm300 (JB mod, cp1, cp2, cp3) , sp-cmc-4u (at-u853,4.7k mod) (c,h), primo em4052pmi4 (4.7k mod)
battery box : ca-ubb (2x)
recorder: roland r-05 (2x)
video: Panasonic hdc-sd600, Sony hx9v

upcoming shows:
2017.09.30 The Rolling Stones
2017.10.20 Goldfrapp
2017.11.12 Queens Of The Stone Age

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Looking to upgrade from ZS7 to a ZS100.  This looks like the camera to get. 

The zoom goes from a 12x on the ZS7 to a 10x on tha ZS100, but perhaps I can dip into the 20x zoom? 

How about modes and times for the ZS100?  Does it still do 720p umlimited like the ZS7?  The 1080p 29 min, 4K 15 min?

And audio wise, the ZS7 isn't horrible, is the ZS100 comparable?

Thanks,
Bill

Also remember if you shoot 4K then edit a 1080p video, you can crop to "zoom in" even more.
I shoot concert video and post my footage to YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/magmazing
http://www.youtube.com/victoriabcmusicscene

My Current Equipment:
Canon HF S100 Camcorder
Canon 70D dSLR
Panasonic ZS100 digital camera
Sony HX10V Digital Camera
Edirol R-09HR Digital Audio Recorder
Church Audio CA-11 microphones

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you can, but it will decrease the quality so much because the extra sensor crop when recording in 4k already destroys the 4k performance much unfortunately.
« Last Edit: October 11, 2016, 01:23:21 AM by sckofelng »
Audio rig:
AT853 (w/ lowsensmod) > SP-SB11 > Sony PCM-M10

Video:
Panasonic DMC-TZ100 (manual settings)
Panasonic DMC-LX100 (manual settings)

 

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