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Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« on: September 29, 2016, 07:02:40 PM »
Marantz is teasing a six XLR input recorder on their homepage. The image shifts, but a static view is here. Interesting...

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2016, 07:05:20 PM »
Leaves a lot to the imagination!
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2016, 12:16:27 PM »


The more options available to us the better!  I hope that this turns out to be as reliable as the 661...
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2016, 03:10:41 PM »
Marantz microphones.  Check it out.

http://marantzpro.com/assets/product-guides/Marantz_2016InfoCommProductGuide_RevA.pdf
Damn- Lots of stuff there. Who did Marantz buy and or who bought them that they have expanded so much into the DSLR gear-mics and recorders.? or have I just not noticed these products before because I don't do video?
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2016, 01:27:48 AM »
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2016, 08:07:19 AM »
I'm interested to see more on this. I don't really need it (XLR) but it could be great and compete with the 70d.

On a crazy side note, it will be interesting to me to see the XLR setup. If in pictures it seems like the layout is "backward"

You see 3,2,1    4,5,6
If 3,2,1 is one side, I would think the other side would go 6,5,4 and if it is the back then you would assume they would go in order.
It just seems that the way the image is set up that 3 and 4 are not "together" the way you would think
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2016, 12:05:18 PM »
To me it looks like the inputs are on the sides.  The picture on the right is actually the left side and the picture on the left is actually the right side.  The face of the unit is cut off on each picture.

So attached to a tripod it would go (looking strait down):

    face
4           1
5           2
6           3
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2016, 01:57:54 PM »
Inputs 1-3 are marked L
Inputs 4-6 are marked R

So stereo pairs would be 1&4, 2&5 and 3&6. Weird.

I've had 2 Marantz recorders - a PMD670 and a PMD620. I liked them both. Great metering and rock solid. Never let me down.

I'm real interested in this deck. I'm seriously considering a Zoom F8 since the pres sound good and it had the wireless control surface but if the pres on this deck sound good and it's not crazy expensive I may give it a go once we get a look at the rest of it.

The pres on the 670 were total junk but once I got it modded by Busman it sounded incredible. The stock pres on this thing may be just fine - surface mount technology has come a long way. Someone will have to be the guinea pig though.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2016, 02:14:53 PM »
Any release info?

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2016, 04:28:56 PM »
I'm keeping my fingers crossed on this deck!!  I've thought about the F4 and F8, but I'd rather not buy a Zoom product.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2016, 05:19:00 PM »
Very interesting, looks like they caught on to the popularity of the DR-70D design.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2016, 05:31:40 PM »
I'm keeping my fingers crossed on this deck!!  I've thought about the F4 and F8, but I'd rather not buy a Zoom product.

I feel the same way!

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2016, 03:24:16 PM »
i was hesitant to buy a zoom product, until the moment i got the F8 in my hands. It just feels way more solidly built then i ever imagined

that being said, its overkill for me. Also my Marantz 671 was the most solid deck ive ever owned. the level meters appear to be better on the f8 from afar, but imho they were far superior to the f8. i could dial my levels in spot on with my 671 and barely need to adjust in post sometimes not even have to do that

I would buy another Marantz deck in a heartbeat! If there was an Oade mod, absolutely sold!

has anyone spoke to Doug to inquire to the possibility of a mod?

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2016, 02:12:39 PM »
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2016, 03:38:32 PM »
I'd really like to hear more about this deck too!!
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2016, 06:48:19 PM »
i spoke to oade about it a few weeks ago. he said a new pricing list had been released and it was not on there.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2016, 10:24:07 AM »


Any updates on this product?

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2017, 06:48:05 AM »
Holding out hope this isn't  vapourware...
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2017, 07:09:58 AM »
Holding out hope this isn't  vapourware...

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2017, 12:02:58 PM »
It looks lime it's gone from the website
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2017, 08:11:04 AM »
It looks lime it's gone from the website

Damn!  I hope that it comes back.

Does anyone have a customer service / tech support number where you can actually speak to someone "in the know"?
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2017, 01:59:29 PM »
They sure are dragging their feet with this one!! 
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #24 on: February 12, 2017, 06:59:04 PM »

https://www.behance.net/gallery/41536339/Marantz-Professional-PMD-706-Banner


Is it back?

That's the same URL I linked in the original post. Also the same pic that Marantz was showing on their site at the time. I think, from my clicking around, that Marantz got a designer to draw up a banner, but, obviously, the product hasn't shown up yet, so who knows what may have happened...

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2017, 07:24:18 AM »
It looks lime it's gone from the website

Damn!  I hope that it comes back.

Does anyone have a customer service / tech support number where you can actually speak to someone "in the know"?
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2017, 02:54:53 PM »


Come on Marantz...bring it!
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2017, 03:02:40 PM »

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2017, 03:02:18 PM »
This will go like AKG Actives...in defiance I bought ADK TL's (the anti-active) and within a month Naiant brought out his version for sale...so about the time I breakdown and buy a Zoom F8 Marantz will release the PMD-706...
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2017, 11:18:55 PM »
I asked doug oade a few days ago and he hasnt heard anything new on this 6ch beast.

Its a shame, the ACM 671 i had for years  is still my fav piece of gear ive ever owned. A 4 or 6 ch version of that would be fantastic!


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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2017, 11:31:26 AM »

I tried calling Marantz customer service about the 706 and they had no fucking idea what I was talking about...

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2017, 05:22:06 PM »
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder? (No longer a mythical prophesy)
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2017, 09:08:26 AM »
Well, well.......Finally the ice has been broken......

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1340332-REG/marantz_professional_pmd_706_6_channel_dslr_recorder_recording.html

can't wait to see what this unit is all about. I'm going to email Doug right now to see what he knows about this unit.

Could be a dud though, guess we'll have to wait and find out.


Edit to add: Release date estimate given is August 2017
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2017, 11:12:11 AM »
^ Well, I'll be damned!  Only ~ 8 months after the original post...

I am very curious to hear if Doug has any information about this.  Still nothing popping up in a web search (except this thread).

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2017, 11:28:28 AM »
$299 street.  If that is real, it is pretty inexpensive in the context of multichannel recorders.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2017, 01:06:10 PM »
$299 street.  If that is real, it is pretty inexpensive in the context of multichannel recorders.

Yeah, $299 street seems to be too inexpensive when the two channel, PMD661 series is selling for around $500 street...  I do like having multiple options though.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2017, 01:56:11 PM »
Not going to hang my hat on that price B&H lists being final, but the price point sits squarely in the R26, DR70, and Zoom H6 camp. DSLR users that are  mostly hobbyists are more likely to go that way than the Mixpre 6.I agree it's odd that the PMD661 sells for $600, but that's the direction the whole line seems to be heading in,  the 561 and new 661mkIII being lower priced than the decks being replaced by them. I'll be keeping in touch with Doug as the summer goes along and find out what this 6 channel unit is about. Cool to have options besides the ones I listed at that same price point. The Mixpre, like everything else SD makes, is in a league of it's own.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder? (No longer a mythical prophesy)
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2017, 06:03:38 AM »
Well, well.......Finally the ice has been broken......

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1340332-REG/marantz_professional_pmd_706_6_channel_dslr_recorder_recording.html

can't wait to see what this unit is all about. I'm going to email Doug right now to see what he knows about this unit.

Could be a dud though, guess we'll have to wait and find out.


Edit to add: Release date estimate given is August 2017

Have you heard anything from Doug in regards to the PMD-706?

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2017, 06:19:08 AM »
Yes, Doug is going to let me know his thoughts soon as he gets one from Marantz to test out. Expecting this will happen in August but as soon as I hear from him, I'll pass along whatever update info he gives.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2017, 06:21:50 AM »
Yes, Doug is going to let me know his thoughts soon as he gets one from Marantz to test out. Expecting this will happen in August but as soon as I hear from him, I'll pass along whatever update info he gives.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2017, 07:39:12 AM »
^ Interesting.  Thanks for posting that.  It looks completely different than the initial teaser photos, which showed six XLR inputs, three per side, on a considerably thinner chassis.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2017, 11:35:26 AM »
I really hope that thing is $300
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2017, 07:55:34 AM »
^^^ it won't matter....trump just signed an executive order effectively banning free trade of the marantz 706 across the Mexican border only.  Language was vague but it clearly seemed to be aimed at preventing ex-pats from obtaining quality gear at low American prices.  You can always come stay with me, buy one and then smuggle it back.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #45 on: June 17, 2017, 01:28:20 PM »
^^^ it won't matter....trump just signed an executive order effectively banning free trade of the marantz 706 across the Mexican border only.  Language was vague but it clearly seemed to be aimed at preventing ex-pats from obtaining quality gear at low American prices.  You can always come stay with me, buy one and then smuggle it back.

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« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2017, 02:44:33 PM »
I Facebook-messaged Marantz today (8/23/2017) and they said the PMD-706 should be available within 45 days or so.  We'll see...I think I can hold out that long. 

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« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2017, 07:31:59 PM »
I Facebook-messaged Marantz today (8/23/2017) and they said the PMD-706 should be available within 45 days or so.  We'll see...I think I can hold out that long.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2017, 07:45:24 AM »
Just speculation, but possible reason they are dragging their feet releasing it is to allow retailers to move the remaining pmd661mkII decks, with the mkIII already absorbing some of the demand. When the 706 hits the streets, any left over 661mkIIs will be dead weight. Just a guess based on marketing decisions like Honda stalling the 2017 CRV for 3 months to allow dealers to move the remaining 4th Gen body styles first.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2017, 08:31:24 AM »
Damn that thing looks an awful lot like a DR70
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2017, 03:13:35 PM »
Just speculation, but possible reason they are dragging their feet releasing it is to allow retailers to move the remaining pmd661mkII decks, with the mkIII already absorbing some of the demand. When the 706 hits the streets, any left over 661mkIIs will be dead weight. Just a guess based on marketing decisions like Honda stalling the 2017 CRV for 3 months to allow dealers to move the remaining 4th Gen body styles first.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2017, 04:21:43 PM »
One thing missing on all the photos...external power? Found it...

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Consumption: 2 W (with phantom power off), 4 W (with 6 channels and phantom power on)

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #52 on: August 28, 2017, 07:15:26 AM »
Just speculation, but possible reason they are dragging their feet releasing it is to allow retailers to move the remaining pmd661mkII decks, with the mkIII already absorbing some of the demand. When the 706 hits the streets, any left over 661mkIIs will be dead weight. Just a guess based on marketing decisions like Honda stalling the 2017 CRV for 3 months to allow dealers to move the remaining 4th Gen body styles first.

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« Reply #53 on: August 28, 2017, 06:03:12 PM »
^
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #54 on: August 28, 2017, 08:12:19 PM »
I'll post any updates I get on this thread. I know this deck is not in the same class as the Mixpre 6, but if it's made as well as the 661 I've been running for 8 years now issue free,it will fit my needs perfectly. I just hope it doesn't have that feature the Tascam 70D / 701D where the gain knobs can't function with hold switch on. To me the most likely time for a slip up with the transport controls is while setting levels in the dark.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #55 on: August 30, 2017, 09:09:38 AM »
That's really interesting

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« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2017, 07:56:44 AM »
http://marantzpro.com/products/view/pmd-706

$299 preorder at BH.

Has slate button.  No mention tc or HDMI control.  6 channels of which 2 are trs.  Sloped case design.  Horizontal meters.

Looks like a 70d competitor at $299 but with 6 channels. 

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #57 on: August 31, 2017, 10:29:57 AM »
6 channels of which 2 are trs.   
The XLR inputs are numbered 1-4, but the mini input is numbered 1/2, so I wonder if that means you can't use all four XLR inputs if you're using the mini input for channels 1 and 2.  Basically, when the mini input is active it might "replace" the 1 and 2 XLR inputs?

Also interesting:

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Recording Channels: 6-channels (stereo x 3, mono x 6), 4-channels in Dual Stereo mode, 4-channels max with 96 kHz sampling rate

I know not everyone records at 96 kHz, but for those who do this may be a relevant bit of information.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2017, 12:45:16 PM »
Maximum mic input level of -8 dBu.  +12 dBu for the line input.  That pretty much sucks if you have decently sensitive mics, or a fixed gain pre, and it gets loud...

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #59 on: August 31, 2017, 06:17:17 PM »

The XLR inputs are numbered 1-4, but the mini input is numbered 1/2, so I wonder if that means you can't use all four XLR inputs if you're using the mini input for channels 1 and 2.  Basically, when the mini input is active it might "replace" the 1 and 2 XLR inputs?

Also interesting:

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Recording Channels: 6-channels (stereo x 3, mono x 6), 4-channels in Dual Stereo mode, 4-channels max with 96 kHz sampling rate

I know not everyone records at 96 kHz, but for those who do this may be a relevant bit of information.

This video will make the features more clear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNXvJd9p3Xc
Your information is not exactly correct. This is a 6 channel deck. There are 4 XLR inputs and 2 TRS 1/4 inch inputs which Marantz says is to save real estate. As a result they supply two (2) 1/4 inch TRS to XLR cables with the deck.  I do not know if there is a mixtrack. (EDIT: There is a mix track)

It looks nice, especially for the price, but time will tell.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #60 on: August 31, 2017, 06:34:44 PM »
I'd have liked to see them offer start/stop control over HDMI like the 701D, but I guess they figured they'd sell more of these if they priced them at the 70d level and offered 6 channels instead of 4. 

But....6 channels in a small format for $299 that I assume can be easily powered with an external cell phone battery. 

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #61 on: September 13, 2017, 01:10:36 AM »
Maximum mic input level of -8 dBu.  +12 dBu for the line input.  That pretty much sucks if you have decently sensitive mics, or a fixed gain pre, and it gets loud...

Is this so much diiferent than the MixPre 3 with it's specs at:

Maximum Input Level
Aux In (Mic): -10dBu
Aux In (Line): +10dBu

I'm running AKG481's.  Would I even hear a difference between the two units based on the specs at a rock concert environment? 

This is serious question.  I really am curious since I am not that familiar when it comes to those type of stats.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #62 on: September 13, 2017, 12:57:47 PM »
That's for the MixPre-6 1/8" input.  The XLR inputs can handle much stronger signals (+14 dBu mic-in and +40 dBu line-in)...

As for the 706, your AKGs (20 mV/Pa) will put out -8 dBu at 118 dBSPL.  That's pretty loud, but definitely not out of the question for a rock concert.  You would need to use attenuators to prevent overloading the inputs at that sort of volume level.  You'd get an extra 20 dB using line-in, but if you're using a pre with fixed gain, or minimum gain, you would lose some or all of that again.  Maybe you can use phantom in line mode, though (it is not clear to me from what I have read), which would help.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #63 on: September 23, 2017, 10:06:31 AM »
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #64 on: September 28, 2017, 10:05:26 PM »
Talked to a guy at marantz professional today he said you could run line in with phantom on all inputs and that their preamps are a proprietary chipset.  Had a brief conversation about preamps and all he could tell me were these are quieter and all around a better improvement to those of they previous handheld recorder line (661, 561, 671, etc)...it doesn't appear that they are running Ti chips or anything like that.  Still projected end of Oct.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #65 on: October 10, 2017, 09:17:58 AM »
Absolutely no chance this will get TC?! :-/ :-(

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2017, 04:52:11 PM »
Similar price, form factor and overall layout as the Tascam DR70D.  I wonder if it will also come with SD card issues and endless firmware problems.  LOL.  :tomato: :lol: :yack:

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #67 on: October 12, 2017, 05:10:24 AM »
Wonder why we have heard nothing more about the Marantz PMD-706?? As at that sub $300 price it could replace the Tascam DR70D as the default choice in this price bracket. (and at the moment either the DR70D or F4 is my default recommendation for anyone starting out! Both pack in a tonne of value)
 
Although without TC it can never compete with the next step up (Zoom F series or Sound Devices MixPre series).

Still listed as "pre-order" on B&H:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1340332-REG/marantz_professional_pmd_706_6_channel_dslr_recorder_recording.html

Says "End of October", but you always take those dates from B&H with a side order of a massive grain of salt! ha


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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #68 on: October 12, 2017, 05:12:45 AM »
Not sure if this has been shared yet, but here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNXvJd9p3Xc

Inputs 1-3 are marked L
Inputs 4-6 are marked R

So stereo pairs would be 1&4, 2&5 and 3&6. Weird.

Strange. Unfortunately it can not seem to do poly files, but I really hope this gets added before shipping! As is a pain to deal with multiple files per take, instead of just one poly file.

Also hope it can have some type of metadata used as well? After all they're recording to BWF

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #69 on: October 12, 2017, 09:07:13 AM »
Wonder why we have heard nothing more about the Marantz PMD-706?? As at that sub $300 price it could replace the Tascam DR70D as the default choice in this price bracket. (and at the moment either the DR70D or F4 is my default recommendation for anyone starting out! Both pack in a tonne of value)
 
Although without TC it can never compete with the next step up (Zoom F series or Sound Devices MixPre series).

Still listed as "pre-order" on B&H:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1340332-REG/marantz_professional_pmd_706_6_channel_dslr_recorder_recording.html

Says "End of October", but you always take those dates from B&H with a side order of a massive grain of salt! ha
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #70 on: October 13, 2017, 10:36:34 AM »
^I think a bunch of people would like the 60d  if the 60d was in a more compact case, but certainly a very functional recorder. 

Marantz may have had bad market timing releasing this after the 70d, the 701d, the Zoom F4/F8, Mixpre 3, 6 and 10T came to market.   That's a lot of competition in the DSLR audio recording market.   

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« Reply #71 on: October 14, 2017, 08:31:35 AM »
Crazy these cost less than the 661's...
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #72 on: October 20, 2017, 09:29:48 AM »
^I think a bunch of people would like the 60d  if the 60d was in a more compact case, but certainly a very functional recorder. 

DR60Dmk2 is still the king of the sub $200 category in my eyes for an aspiring PSM.

But yeah, hopefully if a DR60Dmk3 comes out then they'll slim it down to MixPre3 size instead.


Marantz may have had bad market timing releasing this after the 70d, the 701d, the Zoom F4/F8, Mixpre 3, 6 and 10T came to market.   That's a lot of competition in the DSLR audio recording market.

PMD-706 can still carve out a solid niche for itself as the best sub $300 recorder, as currently DR70D holds that crown, but the PMD-706 would have 50% more XLR inputs than the DR70D.

Although yeah, the PMD-706 certainly would not sell as well as if the F4/MixPre6/etc didn't exist. But there are many people who even $300 would be stretching their budget, so a PMD-706 could be perfect for them!

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #73 on: October 28, 2017, 06:31:50 AM »
Manual is now availeble at gear4music.com

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #74 on: October 30, 2017, 11:29:41 AM »
Release date pushed to Mid-Nov on B&H site
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« Reply #75 on: November 02, 2017, 01:20:03 PM »
I'm intrigued by this one.  Love the layout of the XLR/TRs connectors and their usage.  Price is crazy cheap ($299) for a 6 channel, when compared to the Sound Devices Mixpre-6 ($899), and Tascam 701D ($499).  A shootout should in order once the 706 circulates.  Sound and power consumption is everything to me these days.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #76 on: November 03, 2017, 09:23:32 AM »
I'm intrigued by this one.  Love the layout of the XLR/TRs connectors and their usage.  Price is crazy cheap ($299) for a 6 channel, when compared to the Sound Devices Mixpre-6 ($899), and Tascam 701D ($499).  A shootout should in order once the 706 circulates.  Sound and power consumption is everything to me these days.

I think that Oade is going to evaluate this model for upgrade mods too...  Not sure if that is still a possibility.  I guess that we'll see on that.


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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #77 on: November 04, 2017, 01:52:07 PM »
I'm intrigued by this one.  Love the layout of the XLR/TRs connectors and their usage.  Price is crazy cheap ($299) for a 6 channel, when compared to the Sound Devices Mixpre-6 ($899), and Tascam 701D ($499).  A shootout should in order once the 706 circulates.  Sound and power consumption is everything to me these days.

I think that Oade is going to evaluate this model for upgrade mods too...  Not sure if that is still a possibility.  I guess that we'll see on that.

If Doug is willing to do that, count me in.  I've owned the 660, 661, and 671 that he had modded.  The results has always been stellar.  If there was a way to insert transformers in the path, I would be very happy.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #78 on: November 10, 2017, 06:38:22 AM »
Release date pushed to Mid-Nov on B&H site

B&H pre order page now says December :-/ Sucks, half wondering now if it might never ship.


Manual is now availeble at gear4music.com

Ah! Now that instead is good, indicates it is "close".

https://d1aeri3ty3izns.cloudfront.net/media/29/291208/download_291208.pdf

I'm intrigued by this one.  Love the layout of the XLR/TRs connectors and their usage.  Price is crazy cheap ($299) for a 6 channel, when compared to the Sound Devices Mixpre-6 ($899), and Tascam 701D ($499).  A shootout should in order once the 706 circulates.  Sound and power consumption is everything to me these days.

Zoom F4 is six inputs too. (and I'd take it over a MixPre6 for most uses)

However if a person doesn't need TC, then it seems likely the Marantz PMD-706 might be the  better choice for them.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2017, 01:52:35 AM »
Interesting, I was reading the manual and I see it has an option for encryption:

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Note: If you try to play an encrypted file, you
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2017, 10:30:04 AM »
Interesting, I was reading the manual and I see it has an option for encryption:

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Note: If you try to play an encrypted file, you
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They introduced encryption with the recent 661 mkiii

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #81 on: November 13, 2017, 02:20:08 AM »
Interesting, I was reading the manual and I see it has an option for encryption:

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details on how to enter an encryption key.
Note: If you try to play an encrypted file, you
must enter the encryption key first.

They introduced encryption with the recent 661 mkiii
Actually it was introduced with the PMD 661 MKII along with password protection

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #82 on: November 13, 2017, 06:17:54 PM »
Zoom F4 is six inputs too. (and I'd take it over a MixPre6 for most uses)

(Sorry to veer off-topic, but) Different strokes and all.  Each has advantages and disadvantages compared to the other.  For me, at least, the MixPre-6 ticks a number of boxes that the F4 doesn't (although the dual SD card option would be nice)...

Actually it was introduced with the PMD 661 MKII along with password protection


If I recall correctly, the PMD620MKII as well.  Very useful for the really stealthy tapers!

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #84 on: November 19, 2017, 09:58:06 PM »


This might *maybe* just perhaps replace the Tascam DR70D as the best recorder at this price point for film shoots, as they are both priced the same at a teeny bit under US$300.

Who is going to be brave an order one first? :-D
(not me, I already have an F4! But I might start recommending this to people starting out, once I've seen some reviews)

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #85 on: November 19, 2017, 10:04:04 PM »
Zoom F4 is six inputs too. (and I'd take it over a MixPre6 for most uses)

(Sorry to veer off-topic, but) Different strokes and all.  Each has advantages and disadvantages compared to the other.  For me, at least, the MixPre-6 ticks a number of boxes that the F4 doesn't (although the dual SD card option would be nice)...


Fair enough, I think the MixPre6 is a fine machine. And can respect others who might see the world differently than I do (we're not all identical after all!), and go for a MixPre6.

Is just at its price point (which is very low! But needs to now be seen in the context of the F4/F8 as well) it seems a tad bit overpriced when you consider its limitations. (such as only four channels for me :-/ & no TC )
If it was priced the same as a MixPre3 then I'd see it as a no brainer!
But the MixPre6 is same price as F8, and significantly higher than a F4.
And once you add in a time code box, you're then a *lot* more expensive than an F4!
And you're starting to close down the gap on just getting a MixPre10T instead from the start.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #86 on: November 20, 2017, 09:51:00 AM »
^ I record live music events.  I have zero need for timecode.  I think that is probably true for most taperssection members.  Balanced outputs aren't really useful for me either.  The MixPre-6 has a much better user interface, XLR line inputs, and better metering.  It is also considerably smaller (80.85 vs. 42.51 cu in) and lighter (1030 vs. 564 g), which is an important factor for my use.  Additionally, I like knowing that I have Sound Devices' customer service behind me; that is worth a bit of extra cash, in my opinion.

Like I said, "Different strokes and all.  Each has advantages and disadvantages compared to the other."  If you don't need timecode, the superior interface alone might be enough to tip the balance...

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« Reply #87 on: November 20, 2017, 10:22:33 AM »
I pulled the trigger. B&H says it should be here Wednesday.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #88 on: November 20, 2017, 09:27:59 PM »
^ I record live music events.  I have zero need for timecode.  I think that is probably true for most taperssection members.  Balanced outputs aren't really useful for me either.  The MixPre-6 has a much better user interface, XLR line inputs, and better metering.  It is also considerably smaller (80.85 vs. 42.51 cu in) and lighter (1030 vs. 564 g), which is an important factor for my use.  Additionally, I like knowing that I have Sound Devices' customer service behind me; that is worth a bit of extra cash, in my opinion.

Like I said, "Different strokes and all.  Each has advantages and disadvantages compared to the other."  If you don't need timecode, the superior interface alone might be enough to tip the balance...

Fair enough, I come from the film world though (hence the username!).

I need to get more of a hands on experience with the MixPre6 to see how much better the user interface is, or not.

Only had a teeny short play with it once at a tradeshow:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEFY6xM3Vh4

I pulled the trigger. B&H says it should be here Wednesday.

Good man! Looking forward to your impressions of it :-)
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #89 on: November 21, 2017, 06:53:54 AM »
Anyone else think it odd that there don't seem to be any "user" reviews or heavy PR releases telling us how wonderful it is at early release of the product?  At least Marantz got it in stock before Black Friday.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #90 on: November 21, 2017, 10:03:42 AM »

I'm interested. This has a lot of the same features I like about my DR60d (camera out for feeding my vid cam, all the inputs I could need, small, 5V USB power) but the form factor seems better and it has two more input tracks. I've used the DR60 quite a bit but it just never seems to find a happy home in any bag I've used it in. The "pound of butter" size makes it just kind of awkward.

 I used a couple of different Marantz decks over the years and really liked them. My first "real" deck was a PMD670 but it was only 16 bit. Ran it digital in from a V3. It was rock solid. After a while I got it modded by Busman and it sounded fantastic but I moved to a Busman R4 since I liked having a hard drive instead of cards.

Later I used a PMD620 for quite some time. Also rock solid.

My only concern is the quality of the onboard preamps. The preamps in the PMD670-671 were useless until modification but after modding were spectacular! Preamps in cheap decks have gotten a lot better in the last few years. I'm optimistic.

This thing lurched along getting to market. The initial photos that were released ending up not being like the end product. I guess a redesign stalled it. Hope they did their testing before getting it actually released.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #91 on: November 21, 2017, 10:12:15 AM »
Just speculation, but possible reason they are dragging their feet releasing it is to allow retailers to move the remaining pmd661mkII decks, with the mkIII already absorbing some of the demand. When the 706 hits the streets, any left over 661mkIIs will be dead weight. Just a guess based on marketing decisions like Honda stalling the 2017 CRV for 3 months to allow dealers to move the remaining 4th Gen body styles first.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #92 on: November 22, 2017, 12:34:41 AM »

This thing lurched along getting to market. The initial photos that were released ending up not being like the end product. I guess a redesign stalled it. Hope they did their testing before getting it actually released.

One can optimistically hope that all the extra time they took to get this to market made it even better! Fingers crossed.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #93 on: November 22, 2017, 07:31:34 AM »
I just heard back from Doug. He's supposed to get with his Marantz rep next week. He's not sure if he will stock the PMD-706 until he opens one up. I asked about the low max input levels and what he thought and he replied "The overload point for the line in is too low. If it uses the same XLR front end as the 561, that will be easy to fix. As it is most soundboard feeds would be severely distorted. I'll let you know what I think when I get one to check out."
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #94 on: November 22, 2017, 10:03:32 AM »
Excuse my ignorance, but could you just run an attenuater cable between sbd and input of the deck such as Naiant MPD or something similar to drop the dB and avoid distortion?

Would the low input levels be an issue for distorting if you are just running mics into the unit or does this just apply to the soundboard feeds?

On another note, I would like to know if the gain pots are a smooth transition when adjusting gain gradually or if it is digital steps.

Really interested in this unit too.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #95 on: November 22, 2017, 12:44:26 PM »
Excuse my ignorance, but could you just run an attenuater cable between sbd and input of the deck such as Naiant MPD or something similar to drop the dB and avoid distortion?

Would the low input levels be an issue for distorting if you are just running mics into the unit or does this just apply to the soundboard feeds?

On another note, I would like to know if the gain pots are a smooth transition when adjusting gain gradually or if it is digital steps.

Really interested in this unit too.

Just attenuating the signal would fix the overload, but would also decrease the effective dynamic range, since the noise floor would be increased proportionally.

None of Doug's mods to my knowledge involve adding any resistors to cheat the overload point (same thing attenuators do). Instead, his first step is upgrading the input capacitors.

Input capacitors are used to filter things like DC offset, and to buffer any sudden changes in a circuit's voltage, smoothing out the signal. The input capacitors prevent the sound from deteriorating due to under-voltage, but upgraded input capacitors alone won't actually improve the sound. They support the operational amplifier stage by feeding whatever power is needed for short bursts (transients). It is this first step that contributes to increased headroom that informs the final dynamic range the unit can capture.

Next to be swapped out are the operational amplifiers. These are either Bipolar or FET chips, and are what takes the signal from the input capacitors and steps it up to either line or mic level. The quality of this stage is what determines both the headroom, and noise floor, which produces the resulting dynamic range improvements. Overall a cleaner signal will be the end result.

Bottom line, there is a world of difference between sticking an attenuator in front of a recorder compared to actually rebuilding the XLR inputs and operational amplifier circuits to allow for hotter input signal without overloading the signal before hitting the A/D chip. Just like with the old PMD-660, I think this is going to be one of those recorders that is almost useless to concert tapers unmodified.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #96 on: November 22, 2017, 01:35:53 PM »

Input capacitors are used to filter things like DC offset, and to buffer any sudden changes in a circuit's voltage, smoothing out the signal. The input capacitors prevent the sound from deteriorating due to under-voltage, but upgraded input capacitors alone won't actually improve the sound. They support the operational amplifier stage by feeding whatever power is needed for short bursts (transients). It is this first step that contributes to increased headroom that informs the final dynamic range the unit can capture.


Aside from filtering DC Offset, input capacitors do none of these things. These are all functions of the power supply filtering caps, which the audio signal does not pass through.

And generally speaking, using input capacitors is not ideal and there are far better circuit topologies that cheaper, more reliable, and more effective to address the needs of input capacitors. Capacitorless inputs are the preferred input design and although I haven't seen the circuits in question, I would be pretty surprised if they're using input capacitors.

I've said it before here and it's an unpopular opinion, but these modifications are always a bit of snake oil. They might offer some improvements, but rarely, if ever, are measurements provided to quantify them.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #97 on: November 22, 2017, 08:29:42 PM »
So say Oade gets ahold of a unit and decides it needs to be modded to acceptable standard for another $250. $250 + 300 msrp for $550.  Wouldn’t most just spring the extra $150 to get an SD unit in the mix pre3 at that price point?
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #98 on: November 22, 2017, 11:19:02 PM »
I think that's the practical question.  Once you reach SD price territory, why not buy SD? 

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #99 on: November 22, 2017, 11:32:12 PM »
Well to be fair you'd have to compare with the price of the MP6, right?  If someone is looking at a 6-channel recorder, the MP3 probably won't be in the running.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #100 on: November 23, 2017, 09:40:17 AM »
I would think most people only need 4 channels if they want mics and a board feed or if mixing two sets of mics. At least that is my situation. Personally anything more than 4 channels becomes work for me and that’s not why I do this.  I just like the form factor better than the Tascam dr70 with Xlrs on both sides and was hoping the marantz unit would sound better without modding them.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #101 on: November 23, 2017, 11:43:09 AM »
I would think most people only need 4 channels if they want mics and a board feed or if mixing two sets of mics. At least that is my situation. Personally anything more than 4 channels becomes work for me and that’s not why I do this.  I just like the form factor better than the Tascam dr70 with Xlrs on both sides and was hoping the marantz unit would sound better without modding them.
I think everyone is a bit different. I always like to record with 6 mics, for me that's a breeze, but more becomes cumbersome. I like to use a cardioid pair, hypercardioid pair and an omni pair, and then see which I like best. I feel shortchanged with 4 mics but when traveling I often do opt for 4 mics, just because that's less gear and less mics to pack and deal with. I'd use a dr680mkii but travel with a dr701d which is much smaller. Switching to a MIxPre6 recently could change all of that though  :bigsmile:
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #102 on: November 23, 2017, 12:15:28 PM »
Just got a new Oade cm mod 661 mk2...anxious to hear it in action...sorry off topic. I love the sound of my MP6...but no digital in etc
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #103 on: November 23, 2017, 12:41:36 PM »
I would think most people only need 4 channels if they want mics and a board feed or if mixing two sets of mics. At least that is my situation. Personally anything more than 4 channels becomes work for me and that’s not why I do this.  I just like the form factor better than the Tascam dr70 with Xlrs on both sides and was hoping the marantz unit would sound better without modding them.
I think everyone is a bit different. I always like to record with 6 mics, for me that's a breeze, but more becomes cumbersome. I like to use a cardioid pair, hypercardioid pair and an omni pair, and then see which I like best. I feel shortchanged with 4 mics but when traveling I often do opt for 4 mics, just because that's less gear and less mics to pack and deal with. I'd use a dr680mkii but travel with a dr701d which is much smaller. Switching to a MIxPre6 recently could change all of that though  :bigsmile:

Six would generally work for me as well.  Board feed if I can get it, and then usually a pair of hypers and a pair of cards (sometimes short guns).  Then pick and choose.  If you use individual cases for your gear (Pelican, etc.), the load does begin to add up though.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #104 on: November 23, 2017, 01:43:09 PM »
If Doug ends up offering mods for the XLR inputs on the PMD-706, my hope is that his pricing will be in line with his mod for the R44, $175. Even if it ends up costing roughly the same as a Tascam DR701, then it will still be worth it to me if the lock switch doesn't affect the gain controls, that will be enough to tip the scale to the 706 to me. Since time code isn't a feature I care about as much as having to disengage the transport lock to adjust levels. I'm hopeful this unit will allow gain adjustment while lock is on, because that would be a deal breaker for me, mod or no mod.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #105 on: November 23, 2017, 01:56:50 PM »
Regarding the use of input capacitors, I'm not aware of any portable recorders where phantom power and DC offset are blocked in the mic pre without coupling capacitors. To my knowledge transformers are the only other way to do it, and you have to go to outboard preamps for that design simply due to their size. Maybe there have been some innovations in portable recorders I'm not up on, but I remember John Hardy put out a studio rack mount preamp 30 years ago touting the absence of coupling capacitors, but he used big fat Jensen transformers to do it. I don't stay on top of every new development in audio, so things may be different today but I'm all ears and would love to be brought up to speed if there are new options.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #106 on: November 23, 2017, 02:47:44 PM »
I think that's the practical question.  Once you reach SD price territory, why not buy SD?

I'm seriously reconsidering my plan to buy an SD Mixpre6 in favor of this deck. The Mixpre6 doesn't seem very user friendly for a hobbyist IMO (overly complicated menus and polywave files) and the powering options leave something to be desired. I could use the large number of USB batteries I already have to power this thing and I like the form factor. The OLED screen on my PMD620 was the easiest to read in the dark screen I've ever used so I'm glad they kept that in this deck.

The Oade modded Marantz decks of the past were some of the best sounding recorders I've ever heard. Who knows? Maybe this thing sounds good straight out of the box. Looking forward to hearing a trial run.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #107 on: November 23, 2017, 03:45:15 PM »
^ IMO the Mixpre-6 is really easy to use!  It has very intuitive menu structure if you used recorders before. Only issue I've had was the current firmware causing recording issues. 
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #108 on: November 24, 2017, 09:41:50 PM »
So if a pro line level XLR out is +4 dBu and the Marantz unit line level in can handle +12 dBu...why are people saying it will distort and not handle a sbd feed?

Also, are AKG481's considered "sensitive mics".  They are -34 dBu sensitivity.  Are they too senstive to use with the mic input naximum of -8 dBu on the low setting (+28 dBu) on the unit.  If so, would a -12 dB inline pad resolve that issue?

Also, for those that have received one already, any first impressions?

Thanks for answering all my questions about this unit!
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #109 on: November 26, 2017, 11:20:14 PM »
Anyone have one of these in hand yet? I'm curious about sound, obviously, but also about ergonomics, battery power, etc.

I suspect we'll see a bunch in the flesh at Phish NYE run....
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #110 on: November 27, 2017, 10:07:35 AM »

I ordered one this morning. It should be here by Friday and I can do a little write up and snap a few comparison pics over the weekend. Not sure when I'll have a chance to run it beyond a home test...not a lot of taping opportunities coming up for me right now.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #111 on: November 27, 2017, 11:36:17 AM »
I have one. I took it out of the box and fired it up to check out the menu. I can take some pics of it side by side with the 70-D and post them  tomorrow. At first glance the screen seems small and the white on black will take some getting used to. I won't be recording anything until December 8th, AFAIK.

I'll hook it up and let it run with phantom on tomorrow to get an idea on battery life with a USB battery.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #112 on: November 27, 2017, 05:00:19 PM »
Looks like the mic gain stage starts at +28db.. that's pretty high for what we do...especially up close... you would need to run some inline pads to knock the signal going in down.... I am curious to see how this plays with our recording environments..

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #113 on: November 29, 2017, 04:24:10 PM »

Got mine today and just unpacked it and had a quick look and a test.

First impressions - it's small - pretty much the same size as a Tascam DR70d - the screen is really small but is white on black OLED and easy to read.

It includes a bracket for DSLR mounting, a USB A-micro B cable and a set of 1/4 inch to XLR cables (nice build too).

I plugged it into a cheapo 5V USB battery and it fired right up. Takes 4 AAs as well. I'll have some in there as a backup. Scrolled through the menus to find the phantom power and gain controls.

Found another menu setting for ganging channels in three different groups so it looks like any of the 6 inputs can be assigned to any of the 3 groups.

Gave it a quick run with my Schoeps MK41 > nBob > PFA setup and it did what I expected. It saves a separate 2 channel file for each stereo input and the mix- so 4 wav files total. I hope there is a way to change it so that only files that are actually recorded are saved but probably not.

I'll read the manual, go through all the settings in the menu and report back with battery tests, some comparison pictures and whatnot later this week.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #114 on: November 29, 2017, 07:04:20 PM »
How is the noise floor and pre amps?

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #115 on: November 30, 2017, 03:11:09 PM »

Got mine today and just unpacked it and had a quick look and a test.


Thanks for the report. I got knocked down by the crud going around here and haven't had much desire to do anything. I did figure out that the gain appears to be smooth and not stepped and you can record just one stereo file and turn off the separate mix channels. I put a blank 32gb card in and it showed a little over 10 hours record time. I turned off the other channels and it jumped back up to 32 hours and change.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #116 on: November 30, 2017, 09:28:54 PM »
I just hope the delays in releasing this deck were to avoid making beta testers out of the first batch of owners. The frequency and pace of firmware updates in the next few months will reveal how well Marantz managed their quality control.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #117 on: December 03, 2017, 11:14:06 AM »
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #118 on: December 03, 2017, 07:42:05 PM »

I'm taking mine out for a show on Friday night so I'll have some info about how it performs in the field this weekend.

Set it up and let it run for several hours recording the TV - two channels with P48, backlight on full, all other channels disabled for more than 5 hours and didn't even use half of a 6000mAh USB battery so it doesn't seem very power hungry. The menus are pretty simple so finding the typical preshow stuff like enabling record channels and setting up the mixdown channel is pretty straightforward, The channel ganging feature is pretty nice. You can assign any channel to a group and control it with the lowest number gain knob from the assigned channels.

The test recordings were nice and clean so I'm optimistic about the preamps. No way to tell how it will perform in a high SPL environment until I get it out at a show. I tried out the low and medium settings. Medium seemed really sensitive even just recording the TV soundbar while watching Netflix.

Been pretty busy but I'll try to post some pictures of it next to the gear I have - an Aerco, a DR60d and a DR2d to get an idea of the size. One thing that's nice about the design is that the back surface is angled like the front so it sort of leans toward you when sitting on the back panel making it easier to see the angled screen. The screen is really small - I have really bad eyesight so I wouldn't be able to read it at all if it were in my bag on the floor and I was standing.


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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #119 on: December 04, 2017, 02:46:32 PM »
I have some questions about the Marantz 706, to help me with comparison to my Tascam DR-60D and DR-70D.

Does the 706 allow pause during recording? (the DR-60D does but the DR-70D doesn't, grrrr)

Does the 706 have a remote control option?  I don't see a port for one or any mention of one.  Both Tascams have a wired remote which I love.

How clean are the 706 preamps?  Please reply with specs and/or head to head comparison.  I can't find EIN data anywhere for the 706.  A head to head against the DR-60D or DR-70D would be very helpful, or even the Olympus LS-100.  The Tascam preamps are OK, the Olympus has a better EIN spec.

Thanks!

Follow up: I called Marantz with these questions, info below: 

Pause while recording: they tested it and said it paused without creating a new file.  Good news to me, can someone confirm this is true?
Remote control: nope, no immediate plans, argh, deal breaker.  Bad news to me.
Preamps: did not know EIN values.  Argh.  I hope someone can report some head to head tests.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #120 on: December 05, 2017, 08:04:31 AM »
If you can gang pairs of channels, that is great.  I don't think the 70d does that to my knowledge.

Other than the SD 7 series, I don't think there are any recorders with huge recording displays you can see at your feet.  Marantz probably just put a large enough display on it to satisfy dslr video shooters who are going to put it on a camera tripod at eye level. 

What's your opinion of the black on white display?

Does the marantz have an external gain wheel to control the level out to camera like the 60d or is it like the 70d where you don't have the external gain wheel?

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #121 on: December 05, 2017, 10:16:58 PM »
Alright here is my first somewhat limited review of this deck

Box includes the deck, a Kingston 8 Gb SD card, a USB cable and a pair of shorty 1/4 inch to XLR female breakout cables - plus a printed copy of the Quick Start guide in several languages.

Booting the deck from a USB battery brings up a screen to select Bus power or storage - clicking the "wheel" to select bus power brings -

The "Home" screen with icons for
Bus power
Playback or record icon
Time of day
Remaining record time on the card
Meter Display - Six channels and the stereo mixdown channel
- each channel shows highlighted if armed and displays the input settings

On the front panel there is a gain knob for each of the 6 inputs plus the transport controls - the transport controls are numbered 1-6 and do double duty when using the menu to shortcut to each channels options. There is also a Menu button and a Slate button. Also the typical flimsy bars on each side to protect the front face controls I guess doing double duty as a place to put a strap.

The left side has XLR/combo inputs for 1/2, a 1/8th inch mini stereo input for 1/2, 1/4 inch TRS inputs for 5/6, the slot for the SD card with a rubber protector and the Camera input and output.

The right side has the power switch - slide down for power on/off, engage up to hold (not a fan of the hold function being part of the power switch but that seems to be the trend), the USB port, XLR/combo inputs for 3/4, the 1/8th inch mini TRS line out and headphone output with a recessed wheel for headphone volume.

The back of the unit has a pretty sturdy flip down door with a locking tab on it for loading the 4 AA batteries.

Lets say you are running six channels - 2 stereo sets of mics and a SBD feed - you could accomplish it a couple of ways but for the sake of discussion you are putting 2 XLRs in the left side of the deck for 1/2 and 2 XLR in the right side for 3/4 and taking a 1/4 stereo pair out of the sbd into the left side of the deck. Four inputs on the left and 2 on the right - if you use stubby XLRs as many of us do you want to make sure the exit angle doesn't impede the use of the controls or jacks located above the inputs.

ALSO NOTE - The TRS inputs 5/6 pass phantom power so be sure to turn off phantom in the menu on these channels if connecting to a soundboard or any other external device!

The Menus -

Clicking the menu button brings up the first of 14 numbered menu pages - I'll just hit the highlights - it's all in the quick start guide.

1 Input -
Gain range - L,M,H,H+
Sel - Line, Mic, External (have to dig in to find out what this is)
Delay - selectable from 1 - 300 ms
Phase - flips 180

2 Mic Power -
Select Phantom power per channel - 48 or 24 V - and plug in power for the 1/2 mini input - didn't test it to see what it provides.

3 Rec Assign -
choose the mode for each channel - assign stereo to groups or mono to each - assign channels to the mix or dual level record settings

4 Level control -
Limiter, auto and Low cut settings - I won't ever use any of these - never have and never will so I can't comment - film guys that are the target of this recorder will probably want to know about the limiter - it seems to have a couple of settings that may be useful to those who want it - you can link it to stereo pairs for example

5 Mixer -
Assign M/S to the mix, level and Pan controls

6 Output
Assign source for the Camera out, Monitor out (you can choose from any individual channel, stereo group, a M/S channel or the Mix)
Line out level
Camera out level

7 Record Setting
Format - BWF 24/16, WAV 24/16,
Sample Rate - 44.1, 48, 96kHz
Encryption

8 Slate settings

9 File
Folder, Name type, reset count

10 Gang control
Three groups to which you can assign any input and control the group with the lowest number input knob in the group. I like this A LOT!
Not just pairs although it could be. You could assign 1,4 and 6 to group One controlled by the gain knob for channel 1 and 2,3 and 5 to group Two controlled by the gain knob for channel 2. Or any combination of the 6 channels split between 3 groups controlled by the lowest number gain knob in the group. To my knowledge this feature is unprecedented in a deck in this price range.

11 Meter setting
Peak hold - hold (keeps the peak indicator on the highest input for the entire recording session, hold, 10 sec, 2 sec, 1 sec or OFF.
Trim Min - if I get this right it sets the minimum of the meters to -40 dB for the MIN setting - the other setting is OFF. Not super useful on the tiny meter display.

12 Media
Browse
Format - gives you a "are you sure" message so that helps those of us who drink when we tape...

13 Power Controls
Battery type
Auto power save
Backlight dimmer
Contrast

14 System
Initialize - restores to out of box settings
Date and time
Date format
Information - takes you to a set of 3 screens displaying all the project and unit info - Project info like format and title - card info like files, size and available space - system info like firmware version and battery capacity

All told I'm pretty impressed with what they packed in this box for the price.

Taking it out for a spin on Friday night to record Dustbowl Revival at a small club down the street from me. Probably run the 706 mic in for the first set and the Aerco line in for the second to get a comparison of the preamps.

To answer the last couple of questions that I can -

Pause - yes you can hit the pause button while recording and it just pauses - hitting the record button again resumes the recording where it left off.
Specs - I don't read too much into specs. What's a few dB of noise when you are talking in the -120 range?

Display - the display is white on black not the other way around. I like it. I had a Marantz 620 with a similar scheme and it was really easy to read in the dark. I have bad eyesight and it really helps. The size of some of the info on the screen is so small as to be almost useless. The record time remaining number would be a similar size as a 6 point font in a .doc. Luckily the running record time is twice as big.

Camera output gain - it is controlled in the menu settings on page 6 under Output controls. One of my favorite features of the DR60d is the separate wheels to control line out, camera out and headphone out but to be honest once I found the sweet spot I never adjusted it again. The trend seems to be software controls to save space instead of physical switches.


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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #122 on: December 06, 2017, 11:10:29 AM »
Goodcooker, thanks for all the info!

Thanks also for confirming the pause while recording works.  I've requested this function for the Tascam DR-70D and they refuse to add it in a firmware update.  So silly bc the DR-60D does allow for pause while recording.  Marantz beats Tascam on this little function.

I'll try to say this as kindly as I can, but you should rethink this statement,
"What's a few dB of noise when you are talking in the -120 range? You can't hear it and neither can I. I have a DR60d and I find the preamps to be perfectly adequate" 

Why project your preferences and uses onto me?  You don't know what I can hear and you don't know my audio needs.  I don't want "adequate."  I do very specialized recordings at high gain with low self-noise mics in a noise-buffered room, I can easily hear the difference between my DR-60D (-120) and my Olympus LS-100 (-124), and I can hear it in my recordings. 

Can you agree that telling someone else what gear/specs will work for them when you don't know what they are doing may not be received well?

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #123 on: December 06, 2017, 11:14:44 AM »
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« Reply #124 on: December 06, 2017, 11:24:34 AM »

Why project your preferences and uses onto me?  You don't know what I can hear and you don't know my audio needs.  I don't want "adequate."  I do very specialized recordings at high gain with low self-noise mics in a noise-buffered room, I can easily hear the difference between my DR-60D (-120) and my Olympus LS-100 (-124), and I can hear it in my recordings. 

Can you agree that telling someone else what gear/specs will work for them when you don't know what they are doing may not be received well?

I'll try to say this as kindly as I can. If you are doing specialized recordings at high gain in a noise-buffered room, you should maybe drop more than $300 on a recording device.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #125 on: December 06, 2017, 11:58:00 AM »
Why project your preferences and uses onto me?  You don't know what I can hear and you don't know my audio needs.  I don't want "adequate."  I do very specialized recordings at high gain with low self-noise mics in a noise-buffered room, I can easily hear the difference between my DR-60D (-120) and my Olympus LS-100 (-124), and I can hear it in my recordings. 
I think some people on here (myself included) are looking at gear from the perspective of someone recording a loud concert, often through a PA system, in the audience.  Speaking for myself, at least, most of the time that I comment about something on here I'll only be looking at it from that perspective, though I usually don't say so.  I don't want to put words in his mouth, but that may be what's going on here.

I wouldn't take it too personally.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #126 on: December 06, 2017, 12:20:33 PM »
If you are recording mosquito farts in an anechoic chamber I recommend that you buy a Sound Devices MixPre or 788. This Marantz recorder is aimed at and marketed towards amateur DSLR film recordists...not specialists.

Don't take it so personal. This is an internet message board geared towards live music recording. For the majority of people here a few dB of self noise is not going to matter.

The good news is that it's cheap enough that if you buy one and it doesn't work out for you it would be easy to resell it and only take a bit of a loss to recoup your minimal initial investment.
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« Reply #127 on: December 06, 2017, 05:07:48 PM »
So Marantz finally did away with the famous "Presets" in the Menu options?

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #128 on: December 06, 2017, 07:23:09 PM »
^If so, that's too bad.....  I really dig the "presets" menu on the 661.  Makes it really easy to change input sources..
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« Reply #129 on: December 07, 2017, 06:19:16 AM »
So Marantz finally did away with the famous "Presets" in the Menu options?

^If so, that's too bad.....  I really dig the "presets" menu on the 661. Makes it really easy to change input sources..
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« Reply #130 on: December 07, 2017, 12:03:47 PM »
^If so, that's too bad.....  I really dig the "presets" menu on the 661.  Makes it really easy to change input sources..

I'm old and decrepit.  I can never remember which Preset I had it set to.  LOL
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #131 on: December 07, 2017, 02:35:31 PM »
I like the presets in the 661 because if you roll into a show and planned to run analog line in, and have to switch to digital in, you just have to select the preset. Easy.

Even easier changing between XLR MIC in and XLR LINE in. Just move the switch on the back and you're set.

Only downside I see to either of these situations, if I'm switching to digital and setup for 24/48 and find the source is 24/96, I have to go back into the preset and fix it. Also, when going from LINE in to MIC in, I almost always dial back the sensitivity of the deck to -18 before I will start to roll.
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« Reply #132 on: December 07, 2017, 04:02:10 PM »
I like the presets in the 661 because if you roll into a show and planned to run analog line in, and have to switch to digital in, you just have to select the preset. Easy.

Even easier changing between XLR MIC in and XLR LINE in. Just move the switch on the back and you're set.

Only downside I see to either of these situations, if I'm switching to digital and setup for 24/48 and find the source is 24/96, I have to go back into the preset and fix it. Also, when going from LINE in to MIC in, I almost always dial back the sensitivity of the deck to -18 before I will start to roll.

I have a 661.  Can the Presets on the 661 be renamed to "Line In", "Mic In", instead of "Preset1", "Preset2"?

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #133 on: December 07, 2017, 06:18:49 PM »
Sound source >mics >mic position>

Having said that, I'd be interested in a comparison of the 706 to the 60d or 70d recording quality.  If it's on the same level, the ganged controls, display and extra channels may tip things towards the 706.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #134 on: December 07, 2017, 06:29:51 PM »
So, are people just planning on carrying around attenuators with the minimum 28dB gain setting? Or did I read the specs too quickly?

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #135 on: December 07, 2017, 07:01:18 PM »
So, are people just planning on carrying around attenuators with the minimum 28dB gain setting? Or did I read the specs too quickly?

i think everyone is waiting on Doug to get one and tear it apart and see if he can rectify it correctly without attenuators in the signal path

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #136 on: December 07, 2017, 09:24:40 PM »
So, are people just planning on carrying around attenuators with the minimum 28dB gain setting? Or did I read the specs too quickly?
where do you see "minimum"?
I read it as that's how much gain you can get out of it on "low"


Maybe I missed it, but did anyone test if you can change setting WHILE recording?
For example, if I am recording and the gain is set to low/high, can you continue to record while going into the menu and changing it?
Same applies to camera out.
On the d60 you can go into the menu and change while recording and it has the wheel for camera out, which I like
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #137 on: December 07, 2017, 09:50:43 PM »
So, are people just planning on carrying around attenuators with the minimum 28dB gain setting? Or did I read the specs too quickly?
where do you see "minimum"?
I read it as that's how much gain you can get out of it on "low"


Maybe I missed it, but did anyone test if you can change setting WHILE recording?
For example, if I am recording and the gain is set to low/high, can you continue to record while going into the menu and changing it?
Same applies to camera out.
On the d60 you can go into the menu and change while recording and it has the wheel for camera out, which I like

If it is setup anything like the tascam dr70d then the +28db is the lowest gain starting point in the "low" setting and can be ramped up from there.  so yes, I'm assuming attenuators would be needed for rock shows.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #138 on: December 07, 2017, 10:02:36 PM »
So, are people just planning on carrying around attenuators with the minimum 28dB gain setting? Or did I read the specs too quickly?
where do you see "minimum"?
I read it as that's how much gain you can get out of it on "low"


Maybe I missed it, but did anyone test if you can change setting WHILE recording?
For example, if I am recording and the gain is set to low/high, can you continue to record while going into the menu and changing it?
Same applies to camera out.
On the d60 you can go into the menu and change while recording and it has the wheel for camera out, which I like

If it is setup anything like the tascam dr70d then the +28db is the lowest gain starting point in the "low" setting and can be ramped up from there.  so yes, I'm assuming attenuators would be needed for rock shows.
hmm the 60 is the highest at each
Do you need attenuation with the 70?? The spec for low on the 70 say 21db, that seems high too
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #139 on: December 07, 2017, 10:10:54 PM »
So, are people just planning on carrying around attenuators with the minimum 28dB gain setting? Or did I read the specs too quickly?
where do you see "minimum"?
I read it as that's how much gain you can get out of it on "low"


Maybe I missed it, but did anyone test if you can change setting WHILE recording?
For example, if I am recording and the gain is set to low/high, can you continue to record while going into the menu and changing it?
Same applies to camera out.
On the d60 you can go into the menu and change while recording and it has the wheel for camera out, which I like

If it is setup anything like the tascam dr70d then the +28db is the lowest gain starting point in the "low" setting and can be ramped up from there.  so yes, I'm assuming attenuators would be needed for rock shows.
hmm the 60 is the highest at each
Do you need attenuation with the 70?? The spec for low on the 70 say 21db, that seems high too

The low setting on the dr70d is +11dB and ramps up from there.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #140 on: December 07, 2017, 10:18:02 PM »
So, are people just planning on carrying around attenuators with the minimum 28dB gain setting? Or did I read the specs too quickly?
where do you see "minimum"?
I read it as that's how much gain you can get out of it on "low"


Maybe I missed it, but did anyone test if you can change setting WHILE recording?
For example, if I am recording and the gain is set to low/high, can you continue to record while going into the menu and changing it?
Same applies to camera out.
On the d60 you can go into the menu and change while recording and it has the wheel for camera out, which I like

If it is setup anything like the tascam dr70d then the +28db is the lowest gain starting point in the "low" setting and can be ramped up from there.  so yes, I'm assuming attenuators would be needed for rock shows.
hmm the 60 is the highest at each
Do you need attenuation with the 70?? The spec for low on the 70 say 21db, that seems high too

The low setting on the dr70d is +11dB and ramps up from there.
ok, the 60 "low" goes up to +11db
Bottom line, I guess we need one in hand to see if the number listed is min or max at each level
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #141 on: December 07, 2017, 11:25:41 PM »
Ah crap I believe I am mistaken. Not sure what I was thinking after looking at dr70d faq.

The thing holding me back is the line input max on the marantz unit and everyone keeps saying the screen is so small.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #142 on: December 08, 2017, 07:35:27 AM »
Doug told me based on the specs that the stock line-in max level is too low and will overload with hot SBD feeds. Maybe if you take RCA outs you'll be ok, but +4 balanced line outs are what I usually go for from SBDs. Still waiting for his assessment on upgrade potential and I'll pass along any updates he sends me.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #143 on: December 08, 2017, 09:04:59 AM »
Doug told me based on the specs that the stock line-in max level is too low and will overload with hot SBD feeds. Maybe if you take RCA outs you'll be ok, but +4 balanced line outs are what I usually go for from SBDs. Still waiting for his assessment on upgrade potential and I'll pass along any updates he sends me.
this seems to be an issue over and over with Marantz, no?
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #144 on: December 08, 2017, 09:47:17 AM »
Doug told me based on the specs that the stock line-in max level is too low and will overload with hot SBD feeds. Maybe if you take RCA outs you'll be ok, but +4 balanced line outs are what I usually go for from SBDs. Still waiting for his assessment on upgrade potential and I'll pass along any updates he sends me.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #145 on: December 08, 2017, 09:54:22 AM »
Just curious, if you run line in from external pres does that bypass the marantz unit pres? Someone told me that is what they thought and I thought I should ask here to clarify.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #146 on: December 08, 2017, 02:21:09 PM »
I'm thinking line in is not a separate circuit, just different gain structure. I'm deducing this because of the lack of a physical switch like the 661.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #147 on: December 08, 2017, 03:41:07 PM »
I'll be taping a solo acoustic (no PA) artist tonight with mics directly in front of him. I'm may run the first set at low gain and adjust as necessary for the second set. Should be a  good test for how quiet the 706 is w/o an external pre.

I'll probably run a pair of split CA-14 omnis to the DR-22WL for a backup.
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #148 on: December 08, 2017, 07:40:18 PM »
I'll be taping a solo acoustic (no PA) artist tonight with mics directly in front of him. I'm may run the first set at low gain and adjust as necessary for the second set. Should be a  good test for how quiet the 706 is w/o an external pre.

I'll probably run a pair of split CA-14 omnis to the DR-22WL for a backup.

I'm heading out in few hours to tape Dustbowl Revival. Will run the first set with MK41 PFA straight in to the 706 then the second set with the Aerco line in. If they only play one set then I'm not sure what I'll do.

EDIT - They played one set and I ran the mk41s PFA into 1/2 Low gain, Mic in. The knob was a bout 12 oclock and I was peaking at -18 dB. Small club with a good PA that the FOH mixes from a tablet in the crowd and doesn't run things way loud. First listen - sounds great. I'll post some samples to my Soundcloud today. The band was great!
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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #149 on: December 09, 2017, 01:12:57 PM »

Here's a couple of tracks from last night's show. MK41PFA mic in low gain clamped at about 7 feet high around 20 feet from the stage. Only added gain to the files and balanced channels to fix 1 dB difference.

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Re: Marantz PMD-706 Six Channel Recorder?
« Reply #150 on: December 09, 2017, 06:19:16 PM »
Enjoyed listening.  I could listen to them more.  http://www.dustbowlrevival.com

 

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