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Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« on: May 09, 2005, 12:02:36 PM »
I've done a lot of reading/searching the archives this past weekend, but most of the 9v discussions I came across were either related to SP battery boxes or the Denecke boxes (AD20/PS2), so forgive me if I overlooked anything.

Anyway just curious what run times people have gotten with what batteries in the Sonosax? Are there any rechargeable 9v that aren't worthless? Rick sent me 30 Energizers with the pre, and I'll use those until I run out - but looking for what to buy in the future.

Any help would be great

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2005, 12:31:53 PM »
Whatever you do, stay away from NiMH rechargeables - they just don't cut it.

I've not fully tested battery life with any 9v batt, but I've had downright poor experiences with regular old Duracells / Energizers.  I seem to have picked up multiple bad batches that have had little to no capacity left straight out of the box.  >:(  FWIW, I've had success with Energizer e2's.  Haven't tried the higher grade Duracells.  And I have no experience with lithiums.  Not a lot of help, I know, but there it is.   :-\

Now you have me motivated - I'm testing the e2's I just got and used for a recent Del McCoury show.  Will report back once I know more.

One thing that freaked me out at first - the Sax manual says:

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After 2 to 3 seconds, the "ON" led at the center of the front panel will flash every 3 seconds.

My unit at normal operating voltage seems to flash closer to every 1.5 - 2 seconds, which made me think I'd hit the low batt warning:

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The "ON" led will flash every second when the total battery voltage drops to 14 volts.

And IME mine blinks faster than 1/sec when it hits the low batt warning.
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2005, 12:37:10 PM »
One thing that freaked me out at first - the Sax manual says:

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After 2 to 3 seconds, the "ON" led at the center of the front panel will flash every 3 seconds.

My unit at normal operating voltage seems to flash closer to every 1.5 - 2 seconds, which made me think I'd hit the low batt warning:

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The "ON" led will flash every second when the total battery voltage drops to 14 volts.

And IME mine blinks faster than 1/sec when it hits the low batt warning.

Weird...'cause mine seems to be slower than every 3 seconds...like 3.5 - 4. I was standing at The Tabernacle Saturday night staring at it doing the old "1 Mississippi - 2 Mississippi"...so needless to say not very scientific.

Thanks for the battery advice, I'll grab some E2s tonight. Let me know how the tests go...
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2005, 01:18:06 PM »
silentMark has been using lithiums in his sonosax for the last year (?) or so with good results...  maybe he will chime in.. 

I do know he just bought some rechargables for it, but I am unsure as to whether they are up and running yet...

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2005, 01:37:53 PM »
I've always run regular alkaline 9volts and typically get over 8 hours from a pair.  However, I get nervous about running them too long because when mine goes to "fast blink" it usually means I have only about 5-10 minutes of good sounding audio.  It will run longer, but the signal gets distorted and has a lot of static.

I'll have to test mine and see just how long it goes before festival season.

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2005, 02:04:00 PM »
I've always run regular alkaline 9volts and typically get over 8 hours from a pair.

Wow, is that with Schoeps? I've never gotten over 5 1/2 hours with 4022s.

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2005, 02:09:04 PM »
Yeah (Schoeps MK4 > KC5 > SX-M2/LS) - that's the Sonosax SX-M2/LS, not the regular 48v phantom powered version.

I suspect Schoeps CCM4s and DPA 4022s would have about the same current draw from various preamps, but that's a different question.

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2005, 02:16:55 PM »
 

best 9v on the planet, imho.

http://www.flashlightsunlimited.com/lithium-9v.htm

as a point of reference, i get about 5hrs. with a set of Duracell 9v with my mv100 (w/ P48).  with the Energizer or the Ultralife, i get 11hrs. easily.

going $ for these is about $4/ea. on Ebay.

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2005, 09:28:12 PM »
Duracell ProCell's are also excellant.  I could get two shows out of them with my MV-100.  You can buy them in boxes of 12 at places like Tour Supply.com
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2005, 09:57:58 PM »
I'm testing the e2's I just got and used for a recent Del McCoury show. Will report back once I know more.

Just an interim report - on a pair of Energizer e2s, my SX-M2/LS21 is running strong (i.e. no low batt indicator) at the original 2 hrs for Del + another 8.5 hrs = 10.5 hrs so far.  I'm running MK4 > KCY > SX-M2/LS2 > JB3 and recording as I go.  I haven't always had the gear in front of me to start a new file promptly, but the JB3 still receives the signal and the meters jump, etc., so I don't think a delay in starting a new file on the JB3 should impact the Sax run-time.  More later...

1 Note this is the /LS2 model, results may (or may not, I don't know) vary widely for a stock SX-M2.
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2005, 11:49:19 PM »
i've been running energizer 150mah rechargeables for a while now and have recorded shows of 2 hours in length without any problems, although the low power 'fast blink' comes on pretty much from the time i turn the unit on.

I've always run regular alkaline 9volts and typically get over 8 hours from a pair.  However, I get nervous about running them too long because when mine goes to "fast blink" it usually means I have only about 5-10 minutes of good sounding audio.  It will run longer, but the signal gets distorted and has a lot of static.

so, are you saying that the low power 'fast blink' effects the quality of the audio? these rechargeables will be out the window if that's the case.
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2005, 11:56:44 PM »
UPDATE:  low batt indicator came on sometime in the last 30min, so I'm calling it at 10:30p...

02 hrs | Del McCoury show
10 hrs | 12:30p - 10:30p
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12 hrs TOTAL before low batt indicator

And a few keywords for future searchers:  run-time, run time, battery, low battery, sonosax, sax, sx-m2, sx-m2/ls2, lemosax

I'm testing the e2's I just got and used for a recent Del McCoury show. Will report back once I know more.

Just an interim report - on a pair of Energizer e2s, my SX-M2/LS21 is running strong (i.e. no low batt indicator) at the original 2 hrs for Del + another 8.5 hrs = 10.5 hrs so far. I'm running MK4 > KCY > SX-M2/LS2 > JB3 and recording as I go. I haven't always had the gear in front of me to start a new file promptly, but the JB3 still receives the signal and the meters jump, etc., so I don't think a delay in starting a new file on the JB3 should impact the Sax run-time. More later...

1 Note this is the /LS2 model, results may (or may not, I don't know) vary widely for a stock SX-M2.
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2005, 08:58:40 AM »
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does the lemosax put out the right amount power to run DPA406x's, if you were to have the lemo ones off ebay?

thanks
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2005, 11:36:29 AM »
UPDATE: low batt indicator came on sometime in the last 30min, so I'm calling it at 10:30p...

02 hrs | Del McCoury show
10 hrs | 12:30p - 10:30p
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12 hrs TOTAL before low batt indicator

And a few keywords for future searchers: run-time, run time, battery, low battery, sonosax, sax, sx-m2, sx-m2/ls2, lemosax

Appreciate that! I just ordered 6 e2s...figured with 10 hrs a piece that should get me through a couple dozen shows no problem.

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2005, 11:55:56 AM »
I always changed my batteries out every show... I never trusted those things more then 3.5 hours. The only reason I used the Energizers was that I could buy them at home depot for like a 1.25 each. I was going to get the rechargeables, but after the charger and 4 batteries, it would have cost like $80 at the time. So I just suck to the Energizers until I ran out.
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2005, 03:14:23 PM »
I use Thomann NiMH 250mAh batteries in my SX-M2.
I'm running 48V Oktava mk012 microphones which use 8mA each.

Warning (14V)   260mn
Reserve (12V)     60mn
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Total                320mn


You should get a lot more when using a SX-M2/LS.
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2005, 05:52:37 PM »
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does the lemosax put out the right amount power to run DPA406x's, if you were to have the lemo ones off ebay?

thanks
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no way, no how. the 406xs run off something akin to 5v, if memory serves. the sax (or any other preamp) almost never ends up powering 406xs and if they do, it's channeled through a DPA MPS, specifically the MPS-6010.

just re-read your question... and i can't answer it with confidence! i do, however, strongly suspect that the sx-m2/ls2 doesn't output as low as ~5v, which is what the 406xs require.
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2005, 06:34:11 PM »
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does the lemosax put out the right amount power to run DPA406x's, if you were to have the lemo ones off ebay?

thanks
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I think Armen answered correctly as far as the voltage goes, but just to follow up - the Lemosax only has one lemo input (and 2 KC5 inputs), for a Schoeps KCY cable, you'd need 2 for 406xs.
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2005, 06:36:07 PM »
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does the lemosax put out the right amount power to run DPA406x's, if you were to have the lemo ones off ebay?

thanks
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I think Armen answered correctly as far as the voltage goes, but just to follow up - the Lemosax only has one lemo input (and 2 KC5 inputs), for a Schoeps KCY cable, you'd need 2 for 406xs.

nick's right. are there different forms of the Lemo?

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2005, 07:09:52 PM »
the Lemosax only has one lemo input (and 2 KC5 inputs), for a Schoeps KCY cable, you'd need 2 for 406xs.

nick's right. are there different forms of the Lemo?

I always thought the connector shown here - on what I believe is the SX-M2/LS - was a lemo connector (FWIW my old SKM140 set had a shorty mic cable set using these as well):



And that the KCY cable uses a 5-in binder (does it have another name?) like the one shown here on an SX-M2/LS2 (above and in between what I'm calling the lemo connectors):



I've poked around online a fair amount with no verification one way or the other.  Can anyone confirm?
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2005, 07:19:50 PM »
You've got it right, Brian.  The SX-M2/LS has a pair of 3-pin LEMO connectors.  The SX-M2/LS2 has the same PLUS Schoeps' Binder for connecting directly to the KCY cable setup.  Using the LEMOs requires having cables modified for this use - ie Schoeps KC5 cables.

FYI: LEMO is just a connector manufacturer: http://www.lemousa.com/  The use of this brand connector probably says nothing about cross compatibility with other mic setups using the same or similar connectors.

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2005, 07:33:04 PM »
I thought there was only one flavor of the lemosax, the shit you learn on this board!

I am getting 2-2.25 hours from 150mA NiMH using AKG 480s (SX-M2).  They fast blink about at the 1.5-2 hour mark. I do not get static or distortion as the battery dies but rather the levels start to drop off.  I was using Duracell Pro-Cells occassionally and I would get greater than 2.5 hours from them with the DPA 4060s or Gefell M200 (MPS6030 batt box), I never ran them down enough to get the signal drop (but did get that fast light at 2-2.5 hours).  I am not entirely sure my charger works as well here in Japan as it does in the US.  I assume it takes a wee bit longer to charge the battery but I am not sure if the output voltage from the charger is quite up to spec....

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2005, 11:14:05 PM »
They fast blink about at the 1.5-2 hour mark. I do not get static or distortion as the battery dies but rather the levels start to drop off.

what's the consensus on low power (fast-blinking power light) affecting the quality of the output from the sonosax -- ie, introducing static, distortion, degredation of the signal etc.? a few have reported this being the case.

i've been running rechargeable 9v's for 6 months now with the 'low power light' blinking pretty much from the time i power up the sonosax, which has me a little worried i haven't been getting the best out of the sonosax whilst recording.
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2005, 11:27:17 PM »
what's the consensus on low power (fast-blinking power light) affecting the quality of the output from the sonosax -- ie, introducing static, distortion, degredation of the signal etc.?

I haven't noticed any static or distortion.  Signal degredation...tough to say.  I have noticed it doesn't take long from the low batt indicator's initiation to my starting to lose signal strength, requiring ever more higher gain as the batteries drain.  How do your recordings sound to your ears?
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2005, 11:35:09 PM »
How do your recordings sound to your ears?

recordings have sounded fine to me, no distorition or static, but signal degredation/losing signal strength whilst recording i'm not sure.

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2005, 11:40:02 PM »
nimh rechargeables suck.
Ive had problems with regular Energizers and Duracells. The only reliable 9v in my experience has been the Duracell Ultra's. I think you can get about 4 hours easily, never pushed it past that. fwiw Im running mk4/kc5/cmc6xt into a regular Sonosax, *not* a Lemosax.

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2006, 05:11:04 PM »
FWIW, I'm doing some tests right now using the Duracell Procell 9v, the cheapest "quality" 9v available. Brian's 10 hours on the E2s were great, but those batteries are $5 apiece...these Procells are 12 for $18.

I'll post the results whenever it dies.
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2006, 03:17:08 AM »
Well, the results are in:

@ 10 hours 58 minutes the low power light started blinking, and the unit died completely 8 minutes later.

11 hours is fantastic for batteries this cheap:

http://store.yahoo.com/filmemporium/dupr9vba12pa.html

12 for $13.58, and I got 'em 2 days after ordering.

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2006, 03:51:15 PM »
Procells were my battery of choice when I used an MV-100.  They are also the most widely used battery Ive seen for In Ear Monitors setups, almost every band Ive worked with that has IEM uses them.
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2006, 07:59:18 PM »
There is no performance difference between the batteries in 9V Duracell alkalines that are labelled for consumer use (store bought bubbled packaging) and industrial Procells that come 12 to a box.  The only difference is the price, since you have bought the Procells bulk...they are naturally cheaper from the manufacturer than a box of display-ready bubble packaged ones.  What you need to check out is the regular 9V that are labelled Heavy Duty.  I think you can get those for 50 cents a piece.  I bet they have 150-200mAH of juice, which is fine for 1-2 hour sets.

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2006, 10:47:23 PM »
Has anyone tried Lithium Polymer batteries?

http://www.thomas-distributing.com/ipower-500-9v-lithium-rechargeable-battery.php

They aren't cheap @ $15 each, but neither are buying alkalines for every show.
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2006, 01:01:01 AM »
i usually use my regular duracells for 2 - 3 hour shows and an opener or two at about an hour each

so total 8 hours on each pair before i toss them.  Still no drop in the meter though.  This is for the lemosax with 5 pin binder.
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2006, 02:42:51 PM »
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2006, 06:49:50 PM »
Well don't use Eveready Super Heavy Duty Batteries... The ones that are 2 for $0.99. They only lasted about 30min in my lemosax.
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2006, 01:02:42 AM »
I tried some generic non-alkaline 9v's once and got a little longer runtime. They lasted about 75 minutes but the wavforms only looked good for the first 60 minutes or so. As soon as I turned the sax on with the fresh batteries it went into low indicator mode.

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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2016, 03:18:01 PM »
Has anyone used 9.6v NiMH batteries with this preamp? It seems as if the usual 8.4v NiMH batteries as listed as 9v have issues?
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Re: Best 9v for SXM2/L2? (Attn: Schoeps>Lemosax users)
« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2016, 01:01:55 PM »
Has anyone used 9.6v NiMH batteries with this preamp? It seems as if the usual 8.4v NiMH batteries as listed as 9v have issues?

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