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Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« on: October 28, 2014, 03:17:01 AM »
Hi guys, I can buy a nice set of CM300 mics for very affordable price, but I kinda lost info on the battery-issue. Correct me if I am wrong please.

- It is true the official battery or any replacement is not available anymore? (If there is a replacement, what recordingtime / duration are we talking about here?)

- To test the mics I can use 5 small batterys (for watches) and stuck those together? This works? (Any clue on the recordingtime?)

Hope to hear.
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UPDATE 11-11-2014:
Got these http://www.batterybob.com/product.asp?intProdID=999908 batteries from Batterybob today: They do NOT FIT (not even close).
UPDATE 2: you can take of the outer ring of cardboard. the actual battery fits, so you can use it. but there are other much cheaper options. the 4R44 battery and some tape.
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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2014, 11:51:07 AM »
there are replacement batteries still available. 

per a friend: The best battery is the A1611 made by Exide. It is Alkaline as opposed to the Everready 206 which is zinc (and gets stuck in the tube).  there are web retailers that have them, though you may do better finding one on the other side of the pond. 

run time is very extended (i'm thinking weeks).  if you don't leave them in the mic continuously they'll run nearly forever (and even left in the mic they'll last a long time).  it takes very little power to run them. 

the watch battery thing is also supposed to work.  i thought it was 3 though? 
« Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 11:52:51 AM by bombdiggity »
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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 01:39:39 PM »
The battery you need is the ECELL 206/1611 . Amazon has them for about 18.00 ea .

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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2014, 02:32:46 PM »
Thanks guys!

Found these, which can do the job (for those others interested).
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EDIT: It states these are not compatible with Nakamichi microphones.

I am open for a European seller too though...

Edit: FOUND
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A1611-Non-Mercury-Replacement-for-Eveready-206-Mallory-TR-126-Microphone-battery-/161079667300
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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2014, 04:42:49 PM »
Buried in the description for te Excel 206A:

"NOT COMPATABLE WITH THE NAKAMICHI CM300."

They're too wide for the battery compartment (they can be forced in with some effort, but it's a pain to get them out). I learned this the hard way.
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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2014, 05:10:28 PM »
Buried in the description for te Excel 206A:

"NOT COMPATABLE WITH THE NAKAMICHI CM300."

They're too wide for the battery compartment (they can be forced in with some effort, but it's a pain to get them out). I learned this the hard way.

My Excels always fit perfectly...haven't had a set for a few years though...
I have heard people say the Everreadys are sometimes too wide...

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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2014, 08:13:17 PM »
Buried in the description for te Excel 206A:

"NOT COMPATABLE WITH THE NAKAMICHI CM300."

They're too wide for the battery compartment (they can be forced in with some effort, but it's a pain to get them out). I learned this the hard way.

My Excels always fit perfectly...haven't had a set for a few years though...
I have heard people say the Everreadys are sometimes too wide...

Well - now that I actually looked at the ebay listing... :P...they have changed the build on these Exells...

The older ones we were getting circa 2005 were white and smooth...and fit fine.
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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2014, 08:15:45 PM »
These are the ones you want...but shit, Battery Bob is SALTY!...We used to get these for like 7.99 a piece.

http://www.batterybob.com/product.asp?intProdID=999908

The thing to watch for with these batteries - the button/nub is the negative...flat side is positive (opposite of a standard alkaline battery)

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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2014, 03:57:56 AM »
Thanks for being alert.

It is strange as the diameter from this battery is 19.1mm at BatteryBob, Amazon is 18.6mm (which states it is NOT compatible with Nakamichi microphones), where the UK version (which states it fits the Nakamichi better) is also 18.6mm.

Ordered at BatteryBob, see what is coming.
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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2014, 02:24:53 PM »
I recommend the 6 volt "dog collar" batteries available on ebay.  I believe it may be model LR 44, but not handy at the moment.  Tape two together with electrical tape to fit.  Cheap and reliable.


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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2014, 02:56:34 PM »
Forgot to mention I fit to size with O-rings

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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2014, 04:04:35 PM »
I recommend the 6 volt "dog collar" batteries available on ebay.  I believe it may be model LR 44, but not handy at the moment.  Tape two together with electrical tape to fit.  Cheap and reliable.

^ Elegant and cost effective solution...  I'll need to remember that for the next round. 
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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2014, 05:30:53 PM »
Quite the coincidence that I'm reading this post today since I haven't been on this site in quite a while (I apologize).  Anyhow, let me tell you of my very recent experience.  I decided to 'dust off' my old Nak 300s after having them sit for over 10 years.  Naturally the Eveready 206 batteries were dead.  I ordered the Exell 206A /NEDA 1611 replacement batteries from "Brooklyn Battery Works".  Their site listed them as the proper replacement for the older Eveready 206.  Being that they were both NEDA 1611, I thought they would be fine.  They just arrived and are a hair longer and wider (perhaps 1-2 mm) than the Eveready batteries.  Of course that small difference in length shouldn't make a difference since one end of the battery basically goes on a spring.  However that slight difference in width made all the difference in the world!  They just would not fit!!!  So I contacted "Brooklyn Battery Works" and told them about it.  One of their web pages states they are compatible with the Nak 300s, however the Amazon link I bought them through apparently says no (but I didn't see that page).  They will send me an RMA to return the batteries and will be issued a full refund.  I was also told they will change their website.  I was told that over half an hour ago.  They said it should take a few minutes, and I just noticed it still has yet to be changed.   :-\

I was still upset with the company Exell.  Somehow I was under the impression they were to use the same specs as the original Evereadys.  When I called their number, I found it is a combination of Exell and "Batteries In A Flash".  Anyhow, I spoke with a guy (Raoul?) in their tech department and he said when Exell first started making the batteries, they had a bunch of calls from disgruntled Nak 300 owners.  He claims they got their specs within a range they found from different manufactures (Eveready being just one of them), and the Exell batteries are manufactured to fall with that range.  A side note here...is that true?  Were their other manufactures of the 206 other than Eveready?  Or is he just saying that to defend his company?  Who knows?  ???  Anyhow, he also advised me against shaving the outside of the battery to make it fit, since the Naks are metal and not plastic.

In summary, my suggestion is do not try the Exell 206A batteries.  Even though they have the same NEDA number (1611),  they will not fit in the Nak 300 mics.    :(

Needless to say, this has been a very frustrating experience.

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As a follow up to my message above, I have since ordered the 4LR44  6V alkaline batteries (apparently often used for dog collars).  I just recorded two shows with them and they work perfectly.  These batteries are half the length of the original 9V batteries, so you'll need two of them for each mic.  They are a little bit smaller in diameter than a AA battery, so you'll need to figure out some way to get them to stay end to end.  Others have suggested taping them (with duct tape or electrical tape).  I didn't want any tape residue in my mics, so I tried something different and it works very nicely.  I took some card stock (110 lb. paper), but I suppose you could use thin cardboard and cut strips that were 5 cm in width.  I rolled the strips up and inserted them into the mics.  Now my batteries just slide in easily, stay in place, and after the show they slide back out.  The only downside of this method is the batteries are small and it's often dark after a concert, so it would be easy to lose one of them after you take them out of the mic.

I have to say that I was nervous about using 12V in each mic since the original Nakamichi specs called for batteries to be in the range of 8.4V - 9V.  I didn't know what negative effect it would have on the mics or the recording.  Some place I read the mics will take anything less than 14V, but I was still nervous.  Well after recording two rock 'n roll shows with them, I am now a happy camper!

Furthermore, after recording a couple of show I was curious if the batteries would show any drop in power.  I tested them and there doesn't seem to be any loss at all.  Wahoo!!!    :D
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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2014, 02:39:09 AM »
Hi Letitgro, sorry to hear this. Can you provide us the link to the product? My order from BatteryBob is not in yet, will have to see if that version is the same  :'(

In the meantime I did found some other options on the forum with the search option.  Cheaper stuff, and more easy to come by but you need a bit of creativity to get it fixed. I have not done this myself as I still wait for the mics to arrive.
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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2014, 10:56:26 AM »
UPDATE 11-11-2014:
Got these http://www.batterybob.com/product.asp?intProdID=999908 batteries from Batterybob today: They do NOT FIT (not even close).  >:(
Recorders: Zoom F3; SD MixPre 3 II; Sony A10; Edirol R44; Sony M10; Sony WM-D6; iRiver IHP-120; Sharp MD-MT20; Sharp MD-MT190
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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2014, 11:38:59 AM »
If you are unable to return these batteries, you can still make them work.  Using a very sharp knife, slit the outside white plastic casing and remove.  Underneath is a cardboard tube base.  CAREFULLY remove successive layers off the cardboard tube until it fits into the microphone.  I have done this and the batteries are still functioning.

 I highly recommend the "dog collar" six volts that were posted above; cheap and effective.

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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2014, 12:05:20 PM »
UPDATE 11-11-2014:
Got these http://www.batterybob.com/product.asp?intProdID=999908 batteries from Batterybob today: They do NOT FIT (not even close).  >:(

Do they resemble the photos on the battery bob page - or are they different?

Sucks - these always used to work... :(

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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2014, 03:24:02 PM »
Yeah, that sucks. They must have changed the specs. They always worked great for me. I thought they were a great find, since I got tired of filing the paint off the red ones to make them fit and they were still tight.

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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2014, 04:34:49 PM »
i have a reply from batterybob. same suggestion as mentioned earlier. take of the white cardboard. i took it all of and the basic battery remains. this one does fit, bit to small actually.

best is the 4R44 option with some tape around it. much cheaper...
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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2014, 09:02:26 AM »
Yeah, that sucks. They must have changed the specs. They always worked great for me. I thought they were a great find, since I got tired of filing the paint off the red ones to make them fit and they were still tight.

The specs for the Everready 206 can be found in this old post if you want to compare them with the replacements you've found. Has anyone tried stacking six no 110 cells in series since that is what the spec sheet indicated is in a 206?

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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2014, 09:26:07 AM »
Yeah, that sucks. They must have changed the specs. They always worked great for me. I thought they were a great find, since I got tired of filing the paint off the red ones to make them fit and they were still tight.

The specs for the Everready 206 can be found in this old post if you want to compare them with the replacements you've found. Has anyone tried stacking six no 110 cells in series since that is what the spec sheet indicated is in a 206?

Can you even get those Zinc batteries anymore?

You'd think there would be a some vendor out there who would make you what ever you want in small runs.

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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2014, 09:26:51 AM »
From the Nak Team Board...Roger is one of the resident Nakamichi Microphone mod men...Naks can take 12v...just don't go to 14v


wow...so the LR44 idea works?  Looks like a winner to me!  Gonna give it a shot in mine!

You can also use two 4LR44 in place of eight LR44. I have done for years.


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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2015, 12:15:14 PM »
Hi Letitgro, sorry to hear this. Can you provide us the link to the product? My order from BatteryBob is not in yet, will have to see if that version is the same  :'(

In the meantime I did found some other options on the forum with the search option.  Cheaper stuff, and more easy to come by but you need a bit of creativity to get it fixed. I have not done this myself as I still wait for the mics to arrive.

I'm sorry I didn't see your post till way after the fact, otherwise I would have warned you.
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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2015, 02:50:50 PM »
 ;)

The 'white one's' from Battery Bob's work but you have to peel off the piece of carbon to get to the actual battery. That one fits, but as said earlier, there are much cheaper options.
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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2015, 04:37:28 PM »
I make my own. I take 4 LR44's and heat shrink them together with 1/2" heat shrink tubing. I got some plastic tubing from the hardware store 1/2" ID. Cut to size of 4 LR44's
slide LR44's inside.Cut piece of 3/4" heat shrink tube to size of 2 batteries place batteries inside tube ,Take 3 Volt CR2 and LR 44's in tube between index finger and thumb and squeeze tight. Heat shrink tube with lighter. I marked pos end with red tape.

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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2015, 11:41:55 AM »
These also work:

http://www.batteriesinaflash.com/special-application/duracell-pc177a-alkaline-battery-snap-connectors-replaces-177a-7lr44

You have to build them up a little as the diameter is too thin. The length is good.
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Re: Nakamichi CM300 battery's - quick question
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2015, 06:29:41 AM »
Roger gave us a lot of possibilities to replace the battery for nakamichi. Look here:
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=104297.msg1393481#msg1393481

I am using six 1.5V cells (for watches). I am placing between them pads to reach the correct length. Then i fix it with electrician cardboard. It will take 10 minutes.
You can buy cells with diameter 15 mm. If you will buy smaller diameter, you can wrap it in paper to get right diameter.

 

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