Become a Site Supporter and Never see Ads again!

Author Topic: Beat to Death - M-10 vs Dr2d  (Read 8367 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline yousef

  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Taperssection All-Star
  • ****
  • Posts: 1447
  • Gender: Male
Re: Beat to Death - M-10 vs Dr2d
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2014, 05:18:11 PM »
"bit-bucket"

Why do people have people have such difficulty with this term?

 :facepalm:

heh. I'm just wondering why we're trying to have an analytical discussion about two low-budget recorders while treating terminology 101 lessons as thread-jacks.

It's in the same category as "phantom power" and "remaster": terms needlessly abused, presumably because they sound interesting and cool...
music>other stuff>ears
my recordings: http://db.etree.org/yousef
http://www.manchestertaper.co.uk
twitter: @manchestertaper

Offline mec111272

  • Trade Count: (8)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 624
  • Gender: Male
  • Me? Who me? I'm not doing anything!
    • My LMA List
Re: Beat to Death - M-10 vs Dr2d
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2014, 05:29:27 PM »
So is this where we are now?

1. Both units are very nice and easy to use, but in general the M-10 is preferred.
2. The layout and controls on the M-10 is "better".
3. The M-10 build quality is a little better.
4. The M-10 battery life is superior.
5. The DR2D has the option of 2 - 2 channel tracks.
6.  Sonically the M-10 may be a little less noisy, and the mic input can handle a hotter signal,  however for the purpose of recording output from a pre-amp there is likely little difference.

Seems to be coming down to how much you want the 2-2 channel option. 

Kind of interesting I guess.
Neumann KM-140,Church Audio Ca-14, Card Omni, CAD e70

Edirol UA-5 (T+ mod), Church Audio CA-9200, M148

Tascam DR2D, Marantz PMD 660 (Oade Songcatcher)

colinw

  • Guest
  • Trade Count: (0)
Re: Beat to Death - M-10 vs Dr2d
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2014, 07:26:24 PM »
I have the dr-2d and I love it. I have had no issues with the machine at all, except for short battery life. I have recorded 2 channels and also 4 channels (2 mic sources, 1 mic/1 sbd, etc), all with great results. I don't know if you can find another 4 channel recorder that does such a great job for such a cheap price. I know they are discontinued which is a real shame, because it is fantastic. THere really isn't anything else that can compare except for the ROland r-26 which is MUCH more expensive.
All that being, said, I would like to buy an M10 and the single reason is that I want the longer battery life for the 2 channel recording. The rest is a wash - build quality is good enogh in both units that it doesn't make a difference. I haven't noticed any "noise" using the mic-in. The controls are just as easy to use as each other, no real difference, it takes about 5 minutes to figure either of them out if you have never used them before.
If all you do is 2 channel, the M-10 is the winner due to battery life. If you can live with the shorter battery life and will ever need 4 channels, the dr-2d is the winner.

Offline pohaku

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (35)
  • Taperssection All-Star
  • *
  • Posts: 1091
  • Gender: Male
Re: Beat to Death - M-10 vs Dr2d
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2014, 07:38:15 PM »
I have both and I agree with acidjack.  The only reason for me to use the DR2d is needing 4 channels (and something smaller than my DR-680).  The ease of use and battery life on the M10 make it a no-brainer for 2 channel recording.  I wish they would run a sale so I could rationalize buying another one.
Mics: akg c460 (ck61, ck63), c414buls, c568eb; at4049a, 4051a, 4053a, at853; josephson c42; neumann U87, km84i; beyer m130, m160, m500; aea r84; gefell m71, mt711s, m200, m201, um70S; sony c38; schoeps cmc6, CMBI (mk4, mk21, mk41, mk4v); sennheiser mkh30, mkh40, md421, md431, md541; audix m1290
Pres: API, a-designs, pendulum, purple, millennia TD-1 and HV-32P, gt, littlebox, tinybox, usbpre2, CA 9200, pipsqueak, grace V2, DAV BG1
Cables: KCY, CMR, Naiant AKG actives, PFAs, asst.  GAKables and Darktrain
Recorders/converters/monitors: dr680, m10, dr-2d, d50, zoom f8 & F8n pro, 788T SSD CL-8, lynx aurora 8, Neumann KH20


Yeah, I'm an attorney, but everyone needs a day job

Offline aaronji

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *
  • Posts: 3861
Re: Beat to Death - M-10 vs Dr2d
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2014, 08:53:32 AM »
6.  Sonically the M-10 may be a little less noisy, and the mic input can handle a hotter signal,  however for the purpose of recording output from a pre-amp there is likely little difference.

The mic input on the M10 is considerably quieter; I don't know about the line input.  Both inputs on the M10 can handle a much hotter input (-13.78 vs. +2 dBu for mic, 8.22 vs. 24 dBu for line)...

Offline mec111272

  • Trade Count: (8)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 624
  • Gender: Male
  • Me? Who me? I'm not doing anything!
    • My LMA List
Re: Beat to Death - M-10 vs Dr2d
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2014, 09:26:41 AM »
6.  Sonically the M-10 may be a little less noisy, and the mic input can handle a hotter signal,  however for the purpose of recording output from a pre-amp there is likely little difference.

The mic input on the M10 is considerably quieter; I don't know about the line input.  Both inputs on the M10 can handle a much hotter input (-13.78 vs. +2 dBu for mic, 8.22 vs. 24 dBu for line)...

That is a substantial change.  Does that change the second part of #6?  Does the ability to run a hotter signal produce "better" results.
Neumann KM-140,Church Audio Ca-14, Card Omni, CAD e70

Edirol UA-5 (T+ mod), Church Audio CA-9200, M148

Tascam DR2D, Marantz PMD 660 (Oade Songcatcher)

Offline tooldvn

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Taperssection Member
  • *
  • Posts: 306
  • Gender: Male
  • Music is the movement of sound to reach the soul.
Re: Beat to Death - M-10 vs Dr2d
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2014, 01:03:43 AM »
I have the dr-2d and I love it. I have had no issues with the machine at all, except for short battery life.

What are we talking here?  How long does it last?
DPA 4061²  &  AKG 61/63

Offline mec111272

  • Trade Count: (8)
  • Taperssection Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 624
  • Gender: Male
  • Me? Who me? I'm not doing anything!
    • My LMA List
Re: Beat to Death - M-10 vs Dr2d
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2014, 07:41:22 AM »
I have the dr-2d and I love it. I have had no issues with the machine at all, except for short battery life.

What are we talking here?  How long does it last?

I have run my DR2d for about three hours and haven't run out of juice,  the issue is that the M10 runs for DAYS
Neumann KM-140,Church Audio Ca-14, Card Omni, CAD e70

Edirol UA-5 (T+ mod), Church Audio CA-9200, M148

Tascam DR2D, Marantz PMD 660 (Oade Songcatcher)

Offline aaronji

  • Site Supporter
  • Trade Count: (9)
  • Needs to get out more...
  • *
  • Posts: 3861
Re: Beat to Death - M-10 vs Dr2d
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2014, 08:54:52 AM »
That is a substantial change.  Does that change the second part of #6?  Does the ability to run a hotter signal produce "better" results.

I don't know about "better", but certainly less prone to distortion (especially with sensitive mics, high SPLs, and/or a pre with a fixed minimum gain).

Offline techgui

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Taperssection Regular
  • **
  • Posts: 105
Re: Beat to Death - M-10 vs Dr2d
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2014, 03:07:19 PM »
Aren't both of these getting a little long in the tooth?  I have the Dr-2d and have been very happy with it.  Especially the ability to record 2 - 2 channel tracks.  I use the feature to record the 2nd track several db lower than the first, since I can't predict where my levels will end up.  That said, lately I've been tempted to replace it with a Sony MV1 audio/video recorder.  Looks like better built in mics and still has the capability to use externals.  Great low light video recording, but you can also just record audio with it if you want. 

I'm hoping to pick one up this spring. 

 

RSS | Mobile
Page created in 0.074 seconds with 38 queries.
© 2002-2024 Taperssection.com
Powered by SMF