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I cant upload the pic

but its clean, tight and bright



please help

I love this quality and this is what i am looking for, is it a SLR? lens? etc?
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Are you talking about Nick Mccabe?
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Derek Mccabe. i met him at Govt mule very briefly during NYE run in new york at the beacon.  he sent me a pic of warren and i thought he took it and i was wondering what camera, etc he used. i tried to click and past the photo from email to this board but it did not take.

please advise

yes i have tried to reply to the email but i have had no response. And its been since Jan.

thanks

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Upload the pic to photobucket (free) then copy and paste the IMG code on the board.

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FWIW if you want really good low light images, go gotta go the DSLR route to reliably get quality images.  None of the P&S cameras have the ISO performance or quality of lenses that you can get with a DSLR.  Right now is a great time to be DSLR shopping Canon & Nikon both have great cameras out there that are moderately priced, particularly if you shop the used market.  Then just pick up a 50/1.8 lens ($100 or less) and you have a great setup for concert photography.  You will probably want some other lenses later, but this would get you going.

I like the Canon 30/40D, the Nikon D80/D200 in the sub 1k used price range.  if you are on a tighter budget look for a Canon XTi or a Nikon D50 new or used.  If you are really flush Nikon's new D3 is the current king of the hill and is truly phenomenal, but it costs more than several of the cars I have owned in my life.

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FWIW if you want really good low light images, go gotta go the DSLR route to reliably get quality images.  None of the P&S cameras have the ISO performance or quality of lenses that you can get with a DSLR.  Right now is a great time to be DSLR shopping Canon & Nikon both have great cameras out there that are moderately priced, particularly if you shop the used market.  Then just pick up a 50/1.8 lens ($100 or less) and you have a great setup for concert photography.  You will probably want some other lenses later, but this would get you going.

I like the Canon 30/40D, the Nikon D80/D200 in the sub 1k used price range.  if you are on a tighter budget look for a Canon XTi or a Nikon D50 new or used.  If you are really flush Nikon's new D3 is the current king of the hill and is truly phenomenal, but it costs more than several of the cars I have owned in my life.




exactly what i am looking for some advice, thanks, great picture.  That picture has the same detail as the Warren shot.  I am looking for great low light action performance. SO a good DSLR is the right path, Do you prefer CAnon or Nikon if you had the choice for the first DSLR, in the 1,000 dollar or so range?




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FWIW if you want really good low light images, go gotta go the DSLR route to reliably get quality images.  None of the P&S cameras have the ISO performance or quality of lenses that you can get with a DSLR.  Right now is a great time to be DSLR shopping Canon & Nikon both have great cameras out there that are moderately priced, particularly if you shop the used market.  Then just pick up a 50/1.8 lens ($100 or less) and you have a great setup for concert photography.  You will probably want some other lenses later, but this would get you going.

I like the Canon 30/40D, the Nikon D80/D200 in the sub 1k used price range.  if you are on a tighter budget look for a Canon XTi or a Nikon D50 new or used.  If you are really flush Nikon's new D3 is the current king of the hill and is truly phenomenal, but it costs more than several of the cars I have owned in my life.




exactly what i am looking for some advice, thanks, great picture.  That picture has the same detail as the Warren shot.  I am looking for great low light action performance. SO a good DSLR is the right path, Do you prefer CAnon or Nikon if you had the choice for the first DSLR, in the 1,000 dollar or so range?  I see in your signature you use Nikon.



also you say a 50/ 1.8 lens? Would that be 50 mm / f 1.8?  I have been looking on B&H photo web site for reference and cant seem to find the lens with the specs of 50mm / f1.8 
could you lead me a little closer to the promised land?


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Do you prefer CAnon or Nikon if you had the choice for the first DSLR, in the 1,000 dollar or so range?

For $1k, I'd get a Canon DSLR (shooting a Rebel XT myself, but the XTi and XTs are just as fine) and the 50mm f/1.4 USM.

You can get a Rebel XT and 50mm f/1.8 from Amazon for under $500.  The 50mm f/1.4 is worth the upgrade, though.

edit: here are some amazon links.

50/1.8: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00007E7JU
50/1.4: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00009XVCZ
Rebel XT: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0007QKMSC
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exactly what i am looking for some advice, thanks, great picture.  That picture has the same detail as the Warren shot.  I am looking for great low light action performance. SO a good DSLR is the right path, Do you prefer CAnon or Nikon if you had the choice for the first DSLR, in the 1,000 dollar or so range?


I shoot Nikon but some of that is because of my lens collection and I also prefer Nikon's ergonomics but that is more subjective.  If I were starting totally from scratch today I'd still probably go that way but mainly because I do some pro work and the D300 and particularly the D3 are beating anything Canon currently has out.   This could and probably will change as Nikon & Canon continue to leapfrog each other.

On a more modest budget I'd probably lean to Canon.  I'd look around for a good deal on a 30D or maybe a 40D if you can save some $$ by getting fewer lenses.  They are both great cameras and have really solid low light performance, better than the D70/50 from Nikon, although at the D200/300 level it is closer image quality wise when you consider high ISO noise and retained detail.  When I referred to the 50/1.8 you are correct that means a 50mm /f 1.8 lens.  Both Canon & Nikon make one and they are both great values for the money.  Jumping to the 50/1.4 gets you a slightly faster lens but the cost goes up significantly.  One nice thing about lenses is they tend to hold their value fairly well.  If you buy good lenses and take care of them you can sell them used for probably 75% or more of their price new.  That is very rare for electronics these days and makes upgrading lenses down the road more affordable.  For example buy the 50/1.8 now for around $90 then sell it in 2 years for $75 and take that plus a bit you save up and go to the 50/1.4 when you have some more experience and can really take advantage of the upgrade.

So with a grand to drop on a Canon concert rig, I'd do something like this...

http://www.adorama.com/ICA30DR.html?sid=1205451265935716    Canon 30D Refurb  $650
http://www.adorama.com/CA5018AFU.html                                 Canon 50/1.8 New   $85
http://www.adorama.com/CA2485U.html                                    Canon EF 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 USM  $309.

The 24-85 is a decent lens for everyday shooting but may not be that great for concert shooting.  Anything else gets above your 1K budget, but like I said you can always sell glass and upgrade later.

If i wend Nikon I'd do something like this.....

http://www.adorama.com/INKD80R.html                                       Nikon D80 Refurb $639
http://www.adorama.com/NK5018AFDU.html                                 Nikon 50/1.8 $109
http://www.adorama.com/NK1870DXR.html                                   Nikon 18mm - 70mm f/3.5-4.5G ED IF AF-S $239

Again the 18-70 is not a great concert lens but it is a solid all around lens and in my opinion is a better (Sharper) lens than the Canon 24-85 and the slightly wider view on the short end is a plus with a crop sensor.  Same story on the upgrade down the road.

Hopefully this gives you some help making a decision.  the bottom line is Canon and Nikon both make great camera and you won't go wrong either way.  Try and find a store that has both you can play with a bit.  Some people really prefer the layout and feel of one brand over the other.  Also plan on saving $50-75 to pick up some good and most importantly fast CF cards.  Fast cards write faster and allow you to take more photos in a short period of time.  Often at shows even with a photo pass you can shoot the 1st three songs only.  That time seems to go really quick when you are waiting on your camera's buffer to clear.
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One last note on buying ANY camera online.  There are a lot of scam stores out there.  Stick with the biggies (Amazon, B&H, Adorama) or be sure to check out the resellers ratings on a site like resellerratings.com.  If the price is too good to be true, it is!
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Jumping to the 50/1.4 gets you a slightly faster lens but the cost goes up significantly. 
Since when is 2/3 of a stop "slightly" faster?

2/3 stop = 2/3 more light = 66% faster shutter.

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http://www.adorama.com/ICA30DR.html?sid=1205451265935716    Canon 30D Refurb  $650
http://www.adorama.com/CA5018AFU.html                                 Canon 50/1.8 New   $85
http://www.adorama.com/CA2485U.html                                    Canon EF 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 USM  $309.

The 24-85 will be nearly useless for most concerts I've been to.  For a pure concert rig, I'd get a 20mm or 24mm f/2.8 prime to compliment the 50/1.8 or 50/1.4.

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Jumping to the 50/1.4 gets you a slightly faster lens but the cost goes up significantly. 
Since when is 2/3 of a stop "slightly" faster?

2/3 stop = 2/3 more light = 66% faster shutter.

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http://www.adorama.com/ICA30DR.html?sid=1205451265935716    Canon 30D Refurb  $650
http://www.adorama.com/CA5018AFU.html                                 Canon 50/1.8 New   $85
http://www.adorama.com/CA2485U.html                                    Canon EF 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 USM  $309.

The 24-85 will be nearly useless for most concerts I've been to.  For a pure concert rig, I'd get a 20mm or 24mm f/2.8 prime to compliment the 50/1.8 or 50/1.4.




I'm thinking more along the lines that the extra 2/3 of a stop also means even shallower depth of field.  A 1.8 is a very fast lens and starting out paying 2.5 to 3 times the price for that extra speed is probably not worth it.  Particularly when on a fixed budget it means going from a camera body that negates the extra speed with extra sensor noise.  Trust me I get the value of the 1.4, it's what I have, but my budget wasn't $1000.

The secondary lens I suggested was not for concert shooting, it's more for everyday use.  Someone buying a DSLR is also going to want the flexibility of having a "walk around" lens for the rest of their shooting.  Having just a 50 & say a 20mm prime is probably not going to work very well for non concert stuff.
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Jumping to the 50/1.4 gets you a slightly faster lens but the cost goes up significantly. 
Since when is 2/3 of a stop "slightly" faster?

2/3 stop = 2/3 more light = 66% faster shutter.

Quote
http://www.adorama.com/ICA30DR.html?sid=1205451265935716    Canon 30D Refurb  $650
http://www.adorama.com/CA5018AFU.html                                 Canon 50/1.8 New   $85
http://www.adorama.com/CA2485U.html                                    Canon EF 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 USM  $309.

The 24-85 will be nearly useless for most concerts I've been to.  For a pure concert rig, I'd get a 20mm or 24mm f/2.8 prime to compliment the 50/1.8 or 50/1.4.




I'm thinking more along the lines that the extra 2/3 of a stop also means even shallower depth of field.  A 1.8 is a very fast lens and starting out paying 2.5 to 3 times the price for that extra speed is probably not worth it.  Particularly when on a fixed budget it means going from a camera body that negates the extra speed with extra sensor noise.  Trust me I get the value of the 1.4, it's what I have, but my budget wasn't $1000.

The secondary lens I suggested was not for concert shooting, it's more for everyday use.  Someone buying a DSLR is also going to want the flexibility of having a "walk around" lens for the rest of their shooting.  Having just a 50 & say a 20mm prime is probably not going to work very well for non concert stuff.
First off, thanks a ton for the advise, I am trying to narrow the choices as I try to get a clear understanding of what i want the camera to do.  So here is some more info
most definitely I am looking for a camera that would do both--concerts and everyday use, but I mean high quality photos in low light situations such as morning shots with movement. 
So i was thinking canon 40d or what about the rebel xti--since i think they can take the same lenses? My budget can go above $1,000 but not like to $8,000.  I just want flexibility with the chance to add lenses( telephoto, and wide angle) with great quality shots for concerts, and low light morning everyday " portrait type of shots

I have been looking at B&H photo.

what do you think?

please advise

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If your buying a zoom walk around and want it to be multi purpose, concert and low light (early morning), get an f2.8 zoom.  You'll spend around a grand for a canon 24-70f2.8.  Another option, for less than half the price is a sigma 24-70 f2.8 ex dg.  Damn fine IQ.  Sharp.  The auto focus is a bit slow and noisy, but, for around 4 bills, definitly worth it.

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If your buying a zoom walk around and want it to be multi purpose, concert and low light (early morning), get an f2.8 zoom.  You'll spend around a grand for a canon 24-70f2.8.  Another option, for less than half the price is a sigma 24-70 f2.8 ex dg.  Damn fine IQ.  Sharp.  The auto focus is a bit slow and noisy, but, for around 4 bills, definitly worth it.


so then does it matter too much which body the lens goes on, as far as the XTI or the pricey D40 Canon?

 

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