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Tinybox alternative?
« on: December 10, 2017, 04:53:37 PM »
I don't normally  >:D much but find that I have been doing it more and more since moving home and starting to record rap shows.  These mostly have disgustingly high SPL's and the Tinybox distorts even set on low.  It does this enough that I want to replace it. 

I'm open to opinions on options.  I am initially thinking IPA or Baby Nbox.  I am unsure what else is really available.  I need it to be small, clean, and not need battery changes mid-show.

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Re: Tinybox alternative?
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2017, 05:39:11 PM »
Off topic but; how do the recordings usually come out (besides current distortion issues)?  Are they generally mixed well?

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Re: Tinybox alternative?
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2017, 06:06:36 PM »
Usually they are very bass heavy but nothing that cannot be adjusted in post.  I was actually pretty surprised how well my pull from last night turned out.  I'm realizing that after years if recording I don't have a lot of talent on an EQ.
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Re: Tinybox alternative?
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2017, 06:41:34 PM »
Jon is back to work on his ipa units. I should be receiving mine for xmas soon. I was looking at both options myself and from the feedback I got I went with the ipa. Small, discreet (fits in palm) and has gain unlike the bnbox - so going line in intead of mic in. If using a small deck (pcm10, ro5, etc) you don't need to depend on their small pres. Jon cutomizes units for your specific mics and also cables to run to your specific deck. His stereo design also works for 2 mics with only 1 ipa now.

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Re: Tinybox alternative?
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2017, 08:31:20 PM »
Jon is back to work on his ipa units. I should be receiving mine for xmas soon. I was looking at both options myself and from the feedback I got I went with the ipa. Small, discreet (fits in palm) and has gain unlike the bnbox - so going line in intead of mic in. If using a small deck (pcm10, ro5, etc) you don't need to depend on their small pres. Jon cutomizes units for your specific mics and also cables to run to your specific deck. His stereo design also works for 2 mics with only 1 ipa now.

Any idea on price on the IPA?  He did the custom tiny box I have so I'd just send my tinybox and cables and ask him to match it up.  It's just a 5-pin locking binder.
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Re: Tinybox alternative?
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2017, 11:56:24 PM »
If the source is distorting your tiny box at the lowest gain setting (mine is only +4db at lowest setting) and your recorder isn’t adding additional gain why wouldnt the IPA distort as well in the same situation?r
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Re: Tinybox alternative?
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2017, 03:56:05 AM »
Jon is back to work on his ipa units. I should be receiving mine for xmas soon. I was looking at both options myself and from the feedback I got I went with the ipa.

Any idea on price on the IPA?  He did the custom tiny box I have so I'd just send my tinybox and cables and ask him to match it up.  It's just a 5-pin locking binder.
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Re: Tinybox alternative?
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2017, 11:04:03 AM »
You do know that the switch goes hi-lo-med from top to bottom? I haven't gotten any distortion on the low setting, but medium doesn't cut it for even moderately loud shows. I'm sure you're right, but just wanted to rule everything out. I know I need to put my reading glasses on and get some decent light to figure it out. I usually run my M10 on 10 input volume and a normally loud show hits -12dB so I think the input attenuation is pretty high.
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Re: Tinybox alternative?
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2017, 12:24:25 PM »
Oh yah, fully aware of the switch.  I just recorded a rap concert Saturday night with the Tinybox on low, M10 at 3-4 with peaks on/near the black dot.  Unsure if that is -6 or -12 off the top of my head probably -12 since WAV files are really -12 to -18 ish.  Bass hits were so hard it is distorted.  These are Schoeps CCM4 so I'm hoping it is not an SPL issue.  This is a custom tinybox that provides low power to run the CCM series.  You can read about it here:  http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=141814.0


 
You do know that the switch goes hi-lo-med from top to bottom? I haven't gotten any distortion on the low setting, but medium doesn't cut it for even moderately loud shows. I'm sure you're right, but just wanted to rule everything out. I know I need to put my reading glasses on and get some decent light to figure it out. I usually run my M10 on 10 input volume and a normally loud show hits -12dB so I think the input attenuation is pretty high.
Mics: Schoeps MK 5 MP, Schoeps MK 8 MP, Schoeps MK 41 MP, KCY 250/5 > PFA
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Playback: Jolida 1501 Hybrid > McIntosh MX 130 > Von Schweikert VR-4 JR, or Little Dot MK III > Sennheiser HD700
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Re: Tinybox alternative?
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2017, 05:25:15 PM »
Was the rap group playing with a live band? Or was the bass a sample they played on a loop?

Any chance we could see the wav form? I’m curious because I’ve run into something similar but I didn’t think my pre was clipping.
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Re: Tinybox alternative?
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2017, 05:51:00 PM »
From my memory, because I cannot recall having distortion issues, and I also understand sometimes we just cannot look at our gear, but the TinyBox LED does turn red when clipping at least that is what I recollect.
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Re: Tinybox alternative?
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2017, 07:31:22 PM »
I don't normally  >:D much but find that I have been doing it more and more since moving home and starting to record rap shows.  These mostly have disgustingly high SPL's and the Tinybox distorts even set on low.  It does this enough that I want to replace it. 

I'm open to opinions on options.  I am initially thinking IPA or Baby Nbox.  I am unsure what else is really available.  I need it to be small, clean, and not need battery changes mid-show.

If you want to test out the baby nbox let me know.  We can arrange that.

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Re: Tinybox alternative?
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2017, 08:05:36 PM »
I have an IPA for my schoeps nbob KCY system. It works great and was very inexpensive. I can't tell any sonic difference between it and my littlebox.

If you give Jon the information about all the other associated gear, I'm positive he can create what you need.

Nick also makes wonderfull stuff, so between the two you really can't go wrong.
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Re: Tinybox alternative?
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2017, 10:59:59 PM »
I don't normally  >:D much but find that I have been doing it more and more since moving home and starting to record rap shows.  These mostly have disgustingly high SPL's and the Tinybox distorts even set on low.  It does this enough that I want to replace it. 

I'm open to opinions on options.  I am initially thinking IPA or Baby Nbox.  I am unsure what else is really available.  I need it to be small, clean, and not need battery changes mid-show.

If you want to test out the baby nbox let me know.  We can arrange that.

I'll send you a message.
Mics: Schoeps MK 5 MP, Schoeps MK 8 MP, Schoeps MK 41 MP, KCY 250/5 > PFA
Pre/A>D/P48: Sonosax SX/M2, Sonosax SX/M2-LS, E.A.A. PSP-2, Baby Nbox, Neumann BS48i-2 (for sale)
Recorders: Sound Devices Mixpre-6ii, Sony PCM-A10
Playback: Jolida 1501 Hybrid > McIntosh MX 130 > Von Schweikert VR-4 JR, or Little Dot MK III > Sennheiser HD700
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Re: Tinybox alternative?
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2017, 11:12:23 PM »
If you need a different gain structure for your TB, you might ask Jon if he can change it to meet your needs.  I recollect that different gain settings could be selected when ordering, so I suspect they could be changed if you want.
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