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AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« on: August 31, 2006, 03:48:07 PM »
I just wanted to put all the capsules and accessories in one thread for the 460's.  Not sure if I've covered everything so please add and make corrections if needed.  My only question is can someone please clarify which capsules accept the A60M Reducing Rings, and the A51 & A61 swivel joints?
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AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories:
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CK1 – Cardioid Capsule
CK2 – Omni Capsule
CK3 – Hypercardioid Capsule
A60M – Reducing Ring
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mk46 – Active cable
CK1x – Cardioid Capsule
CK2x – Omni Capusle
CK3x – Hypercardioid Capusle
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CK61 – Cardioid Capsule
CK62 – Omni Capsule
CK63 – Hypercardioid Capsule
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A51 – Swivel Joint
A61 – Swivel Joint
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2006, 03:56:24 PM »
All 460 and 480 bodies accept the A60 rings.  All AKG 451 style capsules (CK1, CK2, CK3) fit into the reducing rings, allowing their use on the larger 460 bodies.  CK4 are reported to not work with the rings and work only on the 451.  A61 works with 460/480.  A51 only works with 451/452, unless of course you couple it with the A60M rings.  Then I believe you can use the CK1,2,3 caps with the A51 swivel to an A60 ring on a 460/480.

Don't forget the VR-61 and VR-62 extension tubes either (and their 451 line counterparts the VR-1 and VR2).

In addition to this, you can use EVERY capsule built by Blue in some way, shape or form.  All of the screw on lollipop caps fit into the A60M ring.  All of the bayonet style capsules can be used with a custom adapter built by a machine shop in the UK (sold on Ebay), along with the A60M ring.

In addition to this, you can also use Gefell M7, M8 and M9 capsules with this bayonet adapter and the ring.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2006, 04:32:49 PM »
All 460 and 480 bodies accept the A60 rings.  All AKG 451 style capsules (CK1, CK2, CK3) fit into the reducing rings, allowing their use on the larger 460 bodies.  CK4 are reported to not work with the rings and work only on the 451.  A61 works with 460/480.  A51 only works with 451/452, unless of course you couple it with the A60M rings.  Then I believe you can use the CK1,2,3 caps with the A51 swivel to an A60 ring on a 460/480.

Don't forget the VR-61 and VR-62 extension tubes either (and their 451 line counterparts the VR-1 and VR2).

In addition to this, you can use EVERY capsule built by Blue in some way, shape or form.  All of the screw on lollipop caps fit into the A60M ring.  All of the bayonet style capsules can be used with a custom adapter built by a machine shop in the UK (sold on Ebay), along with the A60M ring.

In addition to this, you can also use Gefell M7, M8 and M9 capsules with this bayonet adapter and the ring.

Do you know if there is anything that fits the CK6x capsules?  As you probably know I'm working on an active system for these, but I'm having a hard time getting a good connection to the capsule (both the outside and the middle pin).  Are there any parts and/or third party solutions that would allow a good connection?  I'm thinking of the reducing ring, swivel connectors, or perhaps just a part on the 460/480 bodies.  All I need is a connecting piece, then I can put a tube/collette behind this.   (I've got a question about this over at the AKG support forums too.)

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2006, 04:35:11 PM »
I don't think any of the adaptors fit the ck6_ caps.  I think the only things AKG manufactures that fit the ck6_ caps other than the bodies are the VR-61/62 tubes and the A61 swivels.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2006, 04:44:22 PM »
There's also a ck8x capsule.  The attachment also shows the polar response plots for all the ck_x caps when paired with the mk46/c460b.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2006, 04:47:17 PM »
MK46 info and ck1x schematic.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2006, 04:50:40 PM »
c460b info showing A60M reducer ring and ck3 capsule.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2006, 04:53:08 PM »
c460b + ck61 uls info
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2006, 04:54:05 PM »
c460b + ck62/ck63 uls info
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2006, 04:57:15 PM »
There's the ck68/ck69-uls shotgun caps as well.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2006, 04:57:45 PM »
I don't think any of the adaptors fit the ck6_ caps.  I think the only things AKG manufactures that fit the ck6_ caps other than the bodies are the VR-61/62 tubes and the A61 swivels.

Hey, that's great.  Thanks for the info.

Do you have a picture of the CK1 capsule, showing where the pins/connectors are?  That is what I'm really wondering.  How easy it would be to take one of these caps and run off a battery box.  Not that I have any of these caps.  I'm just curious.

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2006, 05:01:15 PM »
Interesting reading the differences between the CK1 and CK61.  Unless my eyes are deceiving me, the specs seem to support what my ears have told me for years (that the original CK1 kicks the CK61's ass).
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2006, 05:02:27 PM »
The CK1 attaches to the mic body the same way as the CK61.  It has that little needle in the middle that fits in a socket on the body.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2006, 05:05:02 PM »
This is the end of the mk46 that screws onto the 460 body.  I have some more pics of the ck2x innards that I'll put up in a second.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2006, 05:06:31 PM »
The CK1 attaches to the mic body the same way as the CK61.  It has that little needle in the middle that fits in a socket on the body.

Correct, accept that you need the reducer ring to attach the ck1 to the c460b body.  As seen in the post above.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2006, 05:09:13 PM »
yeah I know, I was just clarifying it for Richard as he wants to use a battery box, no bodies.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2006, 05:09:25 PM »
The holy grail.

AKG ck4 Figure8 capsule, very few were made and i've never seen one.  It will fit with the reducing ring.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2006, 05:18:10 PM »
yeah I know, I was just clarifying it for Richard as he wants to use a battery box, no bodies.

OK, thanks to Gumbino's pictures I see that the CK1 capsule has two connectors, one center, one "side", plus the shield/case.  So that would work with a battery box.  That is, if I had any of these capsules!!!  Anyway, I can envy those who do...

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2006, 05:20:46 PM »
yeah I know, I was just clarifying it for Richard as he wants to use a battery box, no bodies.

OK, thanks to Gumbino's pictures I see that the CK1 capsule has two connectors, one center, one "side", plus the shield/case.  So that would work with a battery box.  That is, if I had any of these capsules!!!  Anyway, I can envy those who do...

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2006, 05:22:12 PM »
Richard you can often find CK-1, 2, and 3's on Ebay for much cheaper than the CK-61, 62, 63 series go for. 
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2006, 05:23:07 PM »
Offer up a trade ... ck63 for ck1 or ck3... you'd probably find someone willing to do it...

Yep, but good luck finding a CK3.  They're a tough ticket.  CK1's are everywhere though.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2006, 05:23:51 PM »
Pics of the ck2x innards and the mk46 innards.  The thread dimensions of the body are M19x0.75mm.  The mk46 uses a 3-pin lemosa, size 0 connector on the cap end.
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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2006, 05:25:20 PM »
There was a ck5 set with bodies on ebay a week or so ago.  I think someone grabbed them.
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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2006, 05:27:12 PM »
I used to have a web page bookmarked with all the caps and accessories lined out, but I re-imaged my machine and can't find where I saved the bookmarks.   ???  It was a pretty slick info page.
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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2006, 05:28:45 PM »
I used to have a web page bookmarked with all the caps and accessories lined out, but I re-imaged my machine and can't find where I saved the bookmarks.   ???  It was a pretty slick info page.

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2006, 05:30:08 PM »
Pics of the ck2x innards and the mk46 innards.  The thread dimensions of the body are M19x0.75mm.  The mk46 uses a 3-pin lemosa, size 0 connector on the cap end.

Excellent!  Wow, that's the innards all right!

2SK118 FET.  good to know.

The capsule looks crazy, some kind of ceramic part around it.

Note: Please be careful with the capsule, the pin coming out the back in particular.  Karl at AKG told me that electrets may lose charge if handled too much.  I don't know though.  I've got a question out on the forum asking this.

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2006, 05:34:45 PM »
definitely nice pics.  Thanks for posting those!
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2006, 05:39:37 PM »
Pics of the ck2x innards and the mk46 innards.  The thread dimensions of the body are M19x0.75mm.  The mk46 uses a 3-pin lemosa, size 0 connector on the cap end.

Excellent!  Wow, that's the innards all right!

2SK118 FET.  good to know.

The capsule looks crazy, some kind of ceramic part around it.

Note: Please be careful with the capsule, the pin coming out the back in particular.  Karl at AKG told me that electrets may lose charge if handled too much.  I don't know though.  I've got a question out on the forum asking this.

  Richard

That's correct, Richard.  I bought these already non-functioning (i.e. the electrets had lost they charge).  I dismantled them to send pics to Tony Merrill (SP Audio).  He was going to try and get them up and running for me since AKG wouldn't.  But, I bugged Karl Peschel enough that he finally gave in just to get me to leave him alone me thinks.   ;D
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2006, 05:58:51 PM »
Great pictures guys, thanks for posting these!  I doubt there is anything I can add that hasen't already been posted.

Richard I'm sure that you can use a battery box to power these.  I'm planning to build something soon.

I've been trying to find a CK4 for 2 years now and have come up empty handed.

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« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2006, 06:06:40 PM »
I don't think any of the adaptors fit the ck6_ caps.  I think the only things AKG manufactures that fit the ck6_ caps other than the bodies are the VR-61/62 tubes and the A61 swivels.
You could potentially hack up and use either the swivels or the extension tubes or a mic body (broken one perhaps) for the fittings and add the electronics.  This would be great for the prototype. I don't think this would be cost effective for production pieces verses having them machined and the pin epoxied in place as JKlabs did it.


Richard I think I have a swivel setting around somewhere that you could use for this if you want it.

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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2006, 07:14:55 PM »
I think all of this and more has already been posted but this is the link to my AKG information page. I've slowly been consolodating my AKG information, part numbers etc here.

http://users.erols.com/jthierry/akg/

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2006, 08:04:01 PM »
Pics of the ck2x innards and the mk46 innards.  The thread dimensions of the body are M19x0.75mm.  The mk46 uses a 3-pin lemosa, size 0 connector on the cap end.

Excellent!  Wow, that's the innards all right!

2SK118 FET.  good to know.

The capsule looks crazy, some kind of ceramic part around it.

Note: Please be careful with the capsule, the pin coming out the back in particular.  Karl at AKG told me that electrets may lose charge if handled too much.  I don't know though.  I've got a question out on the forum asking this.

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That's correct, Richard.  I bought these already non-functioning (i.e. the electrets had lost they charge).  I dismantled them to send pics to Tony Merrill (SP Audio).  He was going to try and get them up and running for me since AKG wouldn't.  But, I bugged Karl Peschel enough that he finally gave in just to get me to leave him alone me thinks.   ;D

I didn't know Karl had to be bugged to fix these? He was very nice to me, even when I had to re send one. :P

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2006, 08:32:47 PM »
I didn't know Karl had to be bugged to fix these? He was very nice to me, even when I had to re send one. :P

Absolutely.  He wouldn't do anything for me, although I will admit I didn't try all that hard.  By the time I got them I'd already decided I didn't really want them anyway.  AKG Nashville was even less help.  They checked them out and fixed one of the cables, but that's all.  I don't believe they even cracked the shells to look inside.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2006, 08:36:27 PM »
I didn't know Karl had to be bugged to fix these? He was very nice to me, even when I had to re send one. :P

Absolutely.  He wouldn't do anything for me, although I will admit I didn't try all that hard.  By the time I got them I'd already decided I didn't really want them anyway.  AKG Nashville was even less help.  They checked them out and fixed one of the cables, but that's all.  I don't believe they even cracked the shells to look inside.

Sorry, I think I confused you. I was replying to Matt about the caps or are we talking about the same thing here.

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2006, 08:52:20 PM »
Yep.  I bought them from TNJazz.  He went through a bit of leg work on his end to try and get them fixed, to no avail.  I took over from there and kept corresponding with Karl about them.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2006, 09:03:55 PM »
Yep.  I bought them from TNJazz.  He went through a bit of leg work on his end to try and get them fixed, to no avail.  I took over from there and kept corresponding with Karl about them.

Well, now that I see the insides, it looks like the only way to fix these is by replacing the whole electet element.  No way to just replace the "charge" or "backplate".  I'm guessing they have very limited supplies of new elements, or at least they are hard to track down.

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2006, 09:22:27 PM »
Yep.  I bought them from TNJazz.  He went through a bit of leg work on his end to try and get them fixed, to no avail.  I took over from there and kept corresponding with Karl about them.

Well, now that I see the insides, it looks like the only way to fix these is by replacing the whole electet element.  No way to just replace the "charge" or "backplate".  I'm guessing they have very limited supplies of new elements, or at least they are hard to track down.

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That was my next question. What exactly did he/Karl do to these caps to get them working? Thanks for answering.

And thanks to TNJazz and Matt for getting him in the "mood" to work on them.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2006, 11:34:57 PM »
Yep.  I bought them from TNJazz.  He went through a bit of leg work on his end to try and get them fixed, to no avail.  I took over from there and kept corresponding with Karl about them.

Well, now that I see the insides, it looks like the only way to fix these is by replacing the whole electet element.  No way to just replace the "charge" or "backplate".  I'm guessing they have very limited supplies of new elements, or at least they are hard to track down.

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2006, 11:55:29 PM »
Yep.  Karl repaired both ck2x caps and the one non-functional ck1x cap.  All are working now.  Tony's all set now.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2006, 07:42:53 AM »
Interesting reading the differences between the CK1 and CK61.  Unless my eyes are deceiving me, the specs seem to support what my ears have told me for years (that the original CK1 kicks the CK61's ass).

Now thats twice I've heard that. So the CK1x series are basically the same as the CK's?. I don't know jack about specs but I do know what my ears like ;).

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2006, 08:49:20 AM »
Yep.  I bought them from TNJazz.  He went through a bit of leg work on his end to try and get them fixed, to no avail.  I took over from there and kept corresponding with Karl about them.

Well, now that I see the insides, it looks like the only way to fix these is by replacing the whole electet element.  No way to just replace the "charge" or "backplate".  I'm guessing they have very limited supplies of new elements, or at least they are hard to track down.

  Richard


They make new elements for the ck1 still, there is a difference, they are mylar instead of pvc or brass (i forgot which one).  Those pictures are of the original it appears.  I have 4 AKG ck1 bare capsules that someone with a ck1x can have when one of their capsules dies.  1 is busted for sure, but the other 3 are in various other stages which are probably easier to repair since they haven't lost their charge. 

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2006, 10:03:27 AM »
Also I believe Blue makes a figure 8 lomo head too.

I don't think Lomo and Blue are the same, are they?
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2006, 06:00:19 PM »
JNT, if your looking for the ck4, i suggest every few weeks do a google search and run through the 10 first pages.  Thats how I found the c34, it was listed on ebay.uk and wouldn't have seen it.  I noticed there were quite a few location sound rental companies who have them, maybe they could bebrought to part with them?

Also I believe Blue makes a figure 8 lomo head too.

Unless you intend to run the ck4 with a 450 mic, I wouldn't put too much effort into finding one. Even with the adapter they have been verified to not work with the 460/480 mics by Jim Williams. The Blue capsule will work with the 460s I believe.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2006, 06:04:36 PM »
http://www.allaudio.org/detail-6996905.html

It is the same capsule used on the 414B-ULS. They were sold in '81/82
then discontinued. I believe only 4 are in the U.S., I have one of
them. They won't polarize from a 460B body because the 10 gig bias
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2006, 03:26:59 AM »
Also I believe Blue makes a figure 8 lomo head too.

I don't think Lomo and Blue are the same, are they?

Blue is a manufacturer and Lomo I thought was the technical name for the "lollipop" type of capsule. 

I'm prob  wrong.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #46 on: September 04, 2006, 10:18:42 AM »
Lomo is a huge company, they made mostly cameras, but made mics for quite awhile.  Here is some history.
http://microphones.ru/LOMO/LOMO_overview.html
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #47 on: September 06, 2006, 11:55:32 AM »
I think all of this and more has already been posted but this is the link to my AKG information page. I've slowly been consolodating my AKG information, part numbers etc here.

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« Reply #48 on: September 06, 2006, 12:25:53 PM »
Anyone know where I can get some of there pastic cap holders?
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #49 on: September 06, 2006, 01:16:12 PM »
JNT, if your looking for the ck4, i suggest every few weeks do a google search and run through the 10 first pages.  Thats how I found the c34, it was listed on ebay.uk and wouldn't have seen it.  I noticed there were quite a few location sound rental companies who have them, maybe they could bebrought to part with them?
Good suggestion. I've done quite a few google searches and looked on other countries Ebay sites.  There was one sold on gearslutz but it went fast.  If there are only 4 in the US as Jim Williams claims then it doesn't supprise me that I haven't found one.


Unless you intend to run the ck4 with a 450 mic, I wouldn't put too much effort into finding one. Even with the adapter they have been verified to not work with the 460/480 mics by Jim Williams. The Blue capsule will work with the 460s I believe.

http://www.allaudio.org/detail-6996905.html

It is the same capsule used on the 414B-ULS. They were sold in '81/82
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CK-4.

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I guess I did know that they wouldn't work with the 460s but I had forgotten.  I still own a pair of 451s so I'm set.

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #50 on: September 06, 2006, 01:23:18 PM »
Great looking site you are building Joe +T.....That is specifically what I was looking for when I started this thread.  When you've got it completed drop an update back in this thread.

Thanks to everyone for posting some great information!  +T to everyone for helping me out.

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Thanks, glad you found it useful.  I do have more information I need to put on there.  I'll post when I get it updated. 

I think you can get the plastic containers from AKG US.  I think one of the CK1 capsules they repaired for me was returned in a plastic case. You could use a 35mm film canister but it would be a little big.

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2008, 05:49:14 PM »
Old Thread but thought I should add the ck1S cap.  Just used it on thursday for Trey in Boston.


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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #52 on: October 31, 2008, 01:36:31 PM »
didn't see ck8 / ck9 guns listed (diff from ck8x / ck9x).  designed for the 450, fits the 460 w/ reducer ring.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2008, 02:00:24 PM »
^ I do not think the ck9 long shotgun capsules will work on a 460 body b/c of the way they half slip over the 451/2 bodies.  To my knowledge ck9x caps do not exist/were never made for the same reason that ck9 capsules are not appropriate for the 460 bodies.  They require the 451/2 body to fit inside one end of the capsule for additional support in mounting due to their length (~ 24")/weight.

Also not included in the thread are the ck22 omni capsules (newer version than ck2), and the vintage ck26 (omni) and ck28 (cardioid) capsules designed for the c60 tube mics.  The ck26 and ck28 definitely will work with the 451/2 bodies, although I do not know if they will work with the 460/a60_ combo.

Also, there is the a60p (plastic) version of the reducer rings, which is readily identifiable by the small metal loop on the inside of the side which mates with the 460 body.  The a60m (metal) reducer rings do not have this small metal loop.

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #54 on: November 09, 2008, 04:36:23 PM »
^ I do not think the ck9 long shotgun capsules will work on a 460 body b/c of the way they half slip over the 451/2 bodies.  To my knowledge ck9x caps do not exist/were never made for the same reason that ck9 capsules are not appropriate for the 460 bodies.  They require the 451/2 body to fit inside one end of the capsule for additional support in mounting due to their length (~ 24")/weight.

Also not included in the thread are the ck22 omni capsules (newer version than ck2), and the vintage ck26 (omni) and ck28 (cardioid) capsules designed for the c60 tube mics.  The ck26 and ck28 definitely will work with the 451/2 bodies, although I do not know if they will work with the 460/a60_ combo.

Also, there is the a60p (plastic) version of the reducer rings, which is readily identifiable by the small metal loop on the inside of the side which mates with the 460 body.  The a60m (metal) reducer rings do not have this small metal loop.

So the ck8's WILL work with a reducer ring onto the 460's?
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #55 on: November 10, 2008, 12:58:14 PM »
So the ck8's WILL work with a reducer ring onto the 460's?

Absolutely...and it is the 'best' modular shotgun option IMO for recording music.  The 460's transformer balances out a bit of the brightness inherent to the shotgun caps, and makes for a beautiful sounding combo.

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« Reply #56 on: November 10, 2008, 03:31:16 PM »
So the ck8's WILL work with a reducer ring onto the 460's?

Absolutely...and it is the 'best' modular shotgun option IMO for recording music.  The 460's transformer balances out a bit of the brightness inherent to the shotgun caps, and makes for a beautiful sounding combo.

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #57 on: November 10, 2008, 03:45:40 PM »
^ sounds like a great deal to me. 

Maybe you justed liked the warm/fuzzy of the Nak guns better?  I think the AKGs are less colored sounding to my ears than the Nak guns.  I agree the CK63s hypers are almost always a better choice than short shotguns, unless you're really stuck in the back of a large venue.  For those situations, however, the ck8 capsules excell IMO.

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #58 on: November 11, 2008, 06:37:04 PM »
^ sounds like a great deal to me. 

Maybe you justed liked the warm/fuzzy of the Nak guns better?  I think the AKGs are less colored sounding to my ears than the Nak guns.  I agree the CK63s hypers are almost always a better choice than short shotguns, unless you're really stuck in the back of a large venue.  For those situations, however, the ck8 capsules excell IMO.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2008, 08:18:28 PM »
Just found this on the akg achives.  The ck62-DF http://www.akg.com/mediendatenbank2/pspic/hires/6/CK_62_DF4055d398e7299.gif

To bad I don't read german  :P.  Anyone ever hear of this cap?
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #60 on: November 18, 2008, 09:54:51 AM »
^ sounds like a great deal to me. 

Maybe you justed liked the warm/fuzzy of the Nak guns better?  I think the AKGs are less colored sounding to my ears than the Nak guns.  I agree the CK63s hypers are almost always a better choice than short shotguns, unless you're really stuck in the back of a large venue.  For those situations, however, the ck8 capsules excell IMO.

I think it was the mix of the CP4s and CP1/CP2 center through the MX100 that made the Nak guns sound so nice to me. The CK8s just did not sound as fat or something. Anyway, since I never tape shows from the back of very large venues anymore, I really don't miss having guns and the CK63 caps have done the job well for me in most of the back-of-room situations where cards don't cut it.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #61 on: December 26, 2008, 03:24:41 AM »
Just found this on the akg achives.  The ck62-DF http://www.akg.com/mediendatenbank2/pspic/hires/6/CK_62_DF4055d398e7299.gif

To bad I don't read german  :P.  Anyone ever hear of this cap?

The CK62DF was a diffuse field version of the CK62 omni, with HF rise for distant miking. Discontinued and very hard to find.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #62 on: December 26, 2008, 07:58:22 AM »
bremusound, the German text says:

Individual component.
  • Condenser capsule with an omnidirectional characteristic, but a specially modified frequency response
  • Typical deployment in the diffuse sound field beyond the reverberation radius, where predominantly reflected sound reaches the microphone

The rest (specifications, etc.) should be reasonably obvious. It says that this capsule is only for use with the C 460 B amplifier.

--The diagram in the lower right corner is extremely interesting--it shows the directivity of the capsule at different frequencies. You can see that this capsule is truly omnidirectional at low and mid frequencies until 1 - 2 kHz, where the directivity begins to rise. It increases sharply and continuously from there all the way to the top. That's typical of a pressure transducer of this size.

I wish that this kind of diagram could be published for all types of microphones--I think people would learn a lot from it. Many people seem to be confused by polar diagrams, but this type of diagram boils much of the essential information of a polar diagram down to a single axis of measurement.

Optional quiz questions for anyone who wants to try answering them:

1. If this capsule were proportionally smaller by half, what would you expect the diagram to show?

2. What would the diagram show for a typical large-diaphragm, dual-diaphragm cardioid?

3. Will I ever learn to type the words "diagram" and "diaphragm" in the same sentence without stumbling?

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #63 on: December 26, 2008, 10:40:54 AM »
Optional quiz questions for anyone who wants to try answering them:

1. If this capsule were proportionally smaller by half, what would you expect the diagram to show?

2. What would the diagram show for a typical large-diaphragm, dual-diaphragm cardioid?

3. Will I ever learn to type the words "diagram" and "diaphragm" in the same sentence without stumbling?


I'll bite.
1) Normally a small omni cap is pretty evenly omni, and less susseptable to that directionality.
2) Normally the LD becomes somewhat figure-8ish at high frequencies
3) Only if I learn to spell susseptable.

It's my understanding that high frequencies die off as you get further from the source, so if you want to run split omnis from the section, this "presence enhanced" cap might seem a logical choice.  If you were recording an unamplified orchestra, that might be true, but if it's an amplified rock concerted I believe the sound guy compensates for that, so you want the flat response cap for an accurate representation.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #64 on: December 26, 2008, 03:17:19 PM »
SmokinJoe, congratulations on your bravery, and your answers are in the right direction generally.

1) Yes. The increase in directivity would begin one octave higher--thus it wouldn't have nearly as strong an audible effect since the higher up you go above the midrange, the less sound energy there is to pick up, generally speaking.

2) With all large-diaphragm capsules there is a narrowing of the pattern at high frequencies, but the reason I specifically said "dual-diaphragm" and "cardioid" was because at low frequencies, that type of microphone loses directivity--the pattern broadens out toward "wide cardioid." So the line in the graph would dip down toward the bottom and rise at the top.

By the way, that's probably how the rumor got started that large-diaphragm microphones have better bass response: because most large-diaphragm microphones use dual-diaphragm construction (for example AKG, Neumann and their countless imitators). Since the microphone no longer has much directivity at low frequencies, it's less discriminating in what it picks up from the room "down there."

3) I'm with you there completely.

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P.S.: The high-frequency response of an omni mike doesn't decrease as you get further from the source, but in a normal music performance environment, high frequencies are absorbed more than lower frequencies as the sound bounces off various room surfaces, furniture, and people. As a result, the farther back your mikes are, and the more sensitive they are to sound arriving from all directions, the more likely it is that the sound energy itself will have a high-frequency rolloff on average. If the mikes are well beyond the "reverberation radius" then much of the sound energy they pick up will be diffuse in character and will have undergone numerous "bounces" along the way--generally losing some of its high frequency energy each time.

So that's why omni microphones for very distant pickup have elevated response on axis and basically flat response off-axis, but don't sound as if they have a peaky treble if they're really being used at a suitable distance in a suitable recording environment.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #65 on: December 26, 2008, 03:50:28 PM »
On 2) I missed the cardioid part, I was thinking LD diaphragm omnis and how they figure 8.

On the latter, you speak more accurately than I, the high freq energy doesn't roll off, but rather tends to get absorbed.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #66 on: January 08, 2009, 07:35:44 PM »
ck 63 or ck3?
Has anyone compared the two?

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #67 on: January 08, 2009, 07:46:18 PM »
ck 63 or ck3?
Has anyone compared the two?



Pm easyjim, he runs ck3's with his 460's & 452's

Your getting 460's, but most folks would say the ck63 are best with the 480's & 460's

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #68 on: January 08, 2009, 07:50:22 PM »
^ I think the ck3 tends to roll off more low end, and also has the ck_ vintage sound vs. the ck6_ uls sound.  For all around PA taping, especially electric music, I like the ck63 better; but, I think the ck3 is nicer sounding for acoustic music and it also tends to cut out more boom in crappy sounding rooms.

Edit to add: I also have really come to like using the ck3 caps for the main pair when I run a 3mic rig with a center omni.  It gets the best sounding all around frequency response IMO once you add the center omni for the natural low end
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« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2009, 09:00:22 PM »
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2009, 12:47:35 PM »
Ever see this cap?  The plain ones with vents on the top are a ck2's, the one with the red band has a solid top and vented sides.  The gentle man told me it say ck2 on the inner ring.

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« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2009, 01:09:57 PM »
^ I believe TNJazz posted somewhere, maybe in a for sale thread, that the side-vent style is the oldest form of the ck2.  AKG made them with the grill on top for a quite a while after that before discontinuing the ck2 and making the ck22 (also side-vented, but a longer capsule).

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #72 on: January 15, 2009, 01:38:26 PM »
^ I believe TNJazz posted somewhere, maybe in a for sale thread, that the side-vent style is the oldest form of the ck2.  AKG made them with the grill on top for a quite a while after that before discontinuing the ck2 and making the ck22 (also side-vented, but a longer capsule).

Found it, http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,108462.msg1447393.html#msg1447393

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #73 on: January 20, 2009, 06:46:18 PM »
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #74 on: January 22, 2009, 10:48:48 AM »
I'm a proud new owner of some 460s- but I need to get some shock mounts (I'm leaning towards Busman's) and windscreens (thinny minis and high wind advisory ones). What do ya'll run for these accessories? Thanks!
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #75 on: January 22, 2009, 11:48:35 AM »
Superlux HM-32 for the shockmounts

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #76 on: January 22, 2009, 12:20:17 PM »
I'm a proud new owner of some 460s- but I need to get some shock mounts (I'm leaning towards Busman's) and windscreens (thinny minis and high wind advisory ones). What do ya'll run for these accessories? Thanks!

I bought my wind screens at Sam Ash, don't remember the model, but they were house branded and not too expensive. I use Shure A53M donuts for shocks. They are a little tight, but I run some talc inside them every couple of months and that keeps them where the bodies can slid in and out fairly easily. I like that they don't have the spider cage design that is harder to pack in the bag.
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #77 on: January 22, 2009, 12:31:24 PM »


shocks stay on vert bar at all times.  fits into Oade bag.  easy storage that fits nicely in gear bag.
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« Reply #78 on: January 22, 2009, 05:48:09 PM »


shocks stay on vert bar at all times.  fits into Oade bag.  easy storage that fits nicely in gear bag.

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« Reply #79 on: January 23, 2009, 10:56:45 AM »
Thanks- I like that low-profile shockmount setup. I'll prob end up doing something very similar w/ my vert bar.
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« Reply #80 on: October 19, 2015, 05:31:58 PM »
UPDATE:  AKG USA sent me 3 replacement screws for the the ck3 capsule for no charge and they fit perfectly, so my problem has been solved!

I know this is a a bump from forever ago, but thinking someone in this thread could help me.

Does anyone happen to know the size of the screws used in the ck1/ck3 capsules?  I'm referring to the 3 set screws that hold the grille to the capsule

The screw in the picture here:

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« Reply #81 on: January 11, 2016, 12:42:14 PM »
Does anyone happen to know if the screws at the bottom of the ck8's are somehow used to secure the A60 reducer rings to the cap ?

We have a set of ck8>a60s that until recently we have never even tried to remove. We attempted to unscrew them the other day but without much luck and of course didn't want to force anything etc.

I have a ck22 and we would like to use it with the reducer ring on either the 460 bodies or the active setup
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« Reply #82 on: January 11, 2016, 12:53:01 PM »
Does anyone happen to know if the screws at the bottom of the ck8's are somehow used to secure the A60 reducer rings to the cap ?

We have a set of ck8>a60s that until recently we have never even tried to remove. We attempted to unscrew them the other day but without much luck and of course didn't want to force anything etc.

I have a ck22 and we would like to use it with the reducer ring on either the 460 bodies or the active setup

Wrap a cotton cloth around the A60 and gently, with a pair of small pliers, twist them apart.  I had the same problem once with ck1's and A60's.   

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« Reply #83 on: January 11, 2016, 01:38:35 PM »
Does anyone happen to know if the screws at the bottom of the ck8's are somehow used to secure the A60 reducer rings to the cap ?

We have a set of ck8>a60s that until recently we have never even tried to remove. We attempted to unscrew them the other day but without much luck and of course didn't want to force anything etc.

I have a ck22 and we would like to use it with the reducer ring on either the 460 bodies or the active setup

Wrap a cotton cloth around the A60 and gently, with a pair of small pliers, twist them apart.  I had the same problem once with ck1's and A60's.   
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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #84 on: March 11, 2016, 10:35:01 AM »
Does anyone happen to know if the screws at the bottom of the ck8's are somehow used to secure the A60 reducer rings to the cap ?

We have a set of ck8>a60s that until recently we have never even tried to remove. We attempted to unscrew them the other day but without much luck and of course didn't want to force anything etc.

I have a ck22 and we would like to use it with the reducer ring on either the 460 bodies or the active setup

Wrap a cotton cloth around the A60 and gently, with a pair of small pliers, twist them apart.  I had the same problem once with ck1's and A60's.   

Dan

BTW this worked perfectly. One came off without any real effort. The other took a little more convincing.

Thanks for the tip

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Re: AKG 460 Capsules & Accessories
« Reply #85 on: March 11, 2016, 10:56:58 AM »
Does anyone happen to know if the screws at the bottom of the ck8's are somehow used to secure the A60 reducer rings to the cap ?

We have a set of ck8>a60s that until recently we have never even tried to remove. We attempted to unscrew them the other day but without much luck and of course didn't want to force anything etc.

I have a ck22 and we would like to use it with the reducer ring on either the 460 bodies or the active setup

Wrap a cotton cloth around the A60 and gently, with a pair of small pliers, twist them apart.  I had the same problem once with ck1's and A60's.   

Dan

BTW this worked perfectly. One came off without any real effort. The other took a little more convincing.

Thanks for the tip
Yeah Dan, we are good to go now and have successfully tested the cap and reducer ring with the 460 body. Thanks again!

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« Last Edit: March 12, 2016, 06:13:50 PM by rocksuitcase »
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