Topic: V3 -> Edirol R-09HR

[mblindsey]

MTII sold, R-09HR picked up. 

What cables are you using for V3 -> Edirol R-09HR?  Any other advice welcomed.

EDIT:  To be more clear.  Online parts list of "success", chain store bought parts list, or TS.com cable maker you like.

Thanks!

--Michael

[fmaderjr]

Others may be good as well, but there can't be a cable maker better than Darktrain. Great cables, speedy communication, and shipment as fast as humanly possible (generally no later than next day, unless he has to special order a connection).

[Chris K]

V3 > R-09? Why? From one suburb preamp into an inferior pre-amp. Perhaps if the Edirol had a digi in. XLR. 1/8" stereo mini cable?? Are you serious?

Your sig has R-44...just use that digi in?

[mblindsey]

V3 > R-09? Why? From one suburb preamp into an inferior pre-amp. Perhaps if the Edirol had a digi in. XLR. 1/8" stereo mini cable?? Are you serious?

Your sig has R-44...just use that digi in?

100% of the time, I use my R-44 digi-in when I'm hauling around the V3.  I like to have cables in my bag "just in case".  Let's say, knock on wood, I'm at some festival and the Wally World for my R-44 craps out.  "No problem", I'll say, "I'll make do with the V3-> R-09HR that I just happen to have in the bag."  Or maybe, someone wants to patch out of my V3 while I'm at at show...I'll have the cable for that too.

I do wonder if the levels coming out of the V3 will be too hot...

--Michael

[Chris K]

if the dvd battery kicks, then wouldn't you just use the R-44 using AA batteries and bypass the V3 all together?

Dual XLR > 3.5MM stereo cables are a waste of money and space in a bag...just my opinion...although its cool that you would want to be prepared for any situation. Good luck.

[mblindsey]

if the dvd battery kicks, then wouldn't you just use the R-44 using AA batteries and bypass the V3 all together? .

In the fake disaster scenario I made up real quick, honestly, I would probably just run the R-44 off the good Wally Worlds and bypass the V3. 

Another example might be running mics from multiple locations - stage lip w/R-9HR & V3 + R-44 on the SBD & ambient mics.  Who knows?  I just like options.

Thanks for the input.

--Michael

[rastasean]

I would have to agree with fmaderjr. talk to darktrain. He's great to deal with and the cables have not let me down.

[Chris K]

make sure there is an attenuator built into the cable

[mblindsey]

make sure there is an attenuator built into the cable

That was another question in my mind.  I was thinking this might be a necessity....

[SmokinJoe]

I've done this a few times.  I have a V3, an R09, and a buddy has an R09HR.  What I used for a cable was an XLR > 1/8" cable I bought from sound pros, with no attenuator.

The V3's output is hot, so you end up turning the gain way down on the R09.  On my older R09, down to like a 4 on the 0-30 scale.  Another time we did it into my buddy's R09HR... I can't remember what the scale is on R09HR, but suffice it to say we were "most of the way down".  At that point, for whatever reason, you get a result that is less than ideal.  It doesn't contain obvious distortion, it's just not particularly sweet.  In all of these cases, I was running the V3 "the way it is supposed to be run", i.e. I had the V3 running hot into some digital bitbucket, and I was setting the gain on the V3 to make the bitbucket happy, and the R09 was "the poor patchrat who gets what he gets".

I think you would be more successful if you do either of two things:
- set the R09HR line in gain to "midrange" and run the V3 "cold" as required to satisfy the R09HR.
- Use an attenuator, 20db, or maybe even 25.

I've been quite successful lately running my V3 > Korg Mr-1, where I made some 20db attenuator cables.  At that rate, I can run hot into my bitbucket, and into the Korg simultaneously.  I've not gotten around to doing the same with the R09, but I expect it will work fine.

I actually run into 2 recorders a lot... after the show my gear bag with the R4 goes in the trunk, and the R09/iRiver/MR1 is handy to listen to the show in the car on the ride home.

[Gutbucket]

..set the R09HR line in gain to "midrange" and run the V3 "cold" as required to satisfy the R09HR..

I used to do this frequently. V3(just a few bars on the level meters  registering)>R09(gain=13).  Simple, worked fine and sounded great.

As Smokin' mentioned, if using the V3's digital out simultaneously you will need to attenuate to avoid overloading the R09, if not you can just turn down the V3 gain.

Note that pin 3 should be lifted, not shorted.  Most available commercial cables are shorted. Details are in the manual.  Here is a screen shot-

[mblindsey]

Thanks for everyone's input.  I really appreciate it. 

I have some cables on the way (DT), but I'm still lacking that pair of attenuators.  I have an ISO in the YS for what I think I need, but I know some people DYI these, too.  Any advice  for attenuators in this setup?

Thanks,
Michael

[goodcooker]

Thanks for everyone's input.  I really appreciate it. 

I have some cables on the way (DT), but I'm still lacking that pair of attenuators.  I have an ISO in the YS for what I think I need, but I know some people DYI these, too.  Any advice  for attenuators in this setup?

Thanks,
Michael

Michael,
I have a pair of XLR interconnects with attenuators built into them that you can use. I think Tyler (salmonite) has them right now. Shoot him a PM and see if he'll drop them in an envelope for you. Or ...he's in NE, maybe he'll be coming down to KC for a show sometime soon.

[dactylus]

Thanks for everyone's input.  I really appreciate it. 

I have some cables on the way (DT), but I'm still lacking that pair of attenuators.  I have an ISO in the YS for what I think I need, but I know some people DYI these, too.  Any advice  for attenuators in this setup?

Thanks,
Michael

I'd also be interested in a "tried and true" pair of attenuators for this setup...

[mblindsey]

Michael,
I have a pair of XLR interconnects with attenuators built into them that you can use. I think Tyler (salmonite) has them right now. Shoot him a PM and see if he'll drop them in an envelope for you. Or ...he's in NE, maybe he'll be coming down to KC for a show sometime soon.

Thanks. Based on an email exchange with Jon at Naiant, that setup is probably the best answer.  He recommends, "The easiest thing to do is to build the attenuator into the stereo cable.  For -24dB you'd need a 2k2 series and 150 shunt resistor".

I, honestly, don't know how to do that.  So, I've got some more searching to do.  Do the interconnects that you loaned out have this, and if so, are these extra parts and their connections something that Tyler could easily take a picture of?

In other news, I came across a site that seems to have all the answers.  But, it is out of my area of expertise, so I haven't been able to digest it all:  http://www.uneeda-audio.com/pads/

--Michael