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Title: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: tenesejedd on April 13, 2007, 08:44:56 PM
Just curious if anyone runs a pre between the soundboard and their recorder. I guess there really isn't a need to do so. I've done many many recordings taking the sbd direct into my R-1 with never a problem. Just wondering if people do this to add some "flavor" to their recording.
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: fozzy on April 13, 2007, 08:47:54 PM
Just curious if anyone runs a pre between the soundboard and their recorder. I guess there really isn't a need to do so. I've done many many recordings taking the sbd direct into my R-1 with never a problem. Just wondering if people do this to add some "flavor" to their recording.
I have when I was running UA5 > JB3 .  I have seen numerous SBD > V3 > recorder sources too.  For me it was easier to get the levels dialed is and kep the cabling simple
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: bgalizio on April 13, 2007, 08:53:57 PM
Just curious if anyone runs a pre between the soundboard and their recorder. I guess there really isn't a need to do so. I've done many many recordings taking the sbd direct into my R-1 with never a problem. Just wondering if people do this to add some "flavor" to their recording.
I have when I was running UA5 > JB3 .  I have seen numerous SBD > V3 > recorder sources too.  For me it was easier to get the levels dialed is and kep the cabling simple

I used to do the same SBD > UA-5 > JB3. I also found it better to use the UA-5 ADC over that of the JB3.
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: fozzy on April 13, 2007, 09:12:42 PM
i've done it before.  just remember to never turn on the phantom power

QFT
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: tenesejedd on April 13, 2007, 09:16:17 PM
right on.... yeah, i knew about the phantom clause.

I wanted to clarify, I would be running just a straight up pre, NOT and A/D as those above with the UA-5 rigs. I would be running sbd > apogee mini-mp > in R1.
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: rePat on April 13, 2007, 09:34:06 PM
I've run sbd>MIC2496>Recorder, and have always attenuated because of the ~+15db boost by the Pre.

Pat
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: Ryan Sims on April 14, 2007, 03:42:21 PM
right on.... yeah, i knew about the phantom clause.

I wanted to clarify, I would be running just a straight up pre, NOT and A/D as those above with the UA-5 rigs. I would be running sbd > apogee mini-mp > in R1.

I think it would still be nicer than the harsh sound you often get from SBD feeds.
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: bgalizio on April 14, 2007, 03:57:36 PM
right on.... yeah, i knew about the phantom clause.

I wanted to clarify, I would be running just a straight up pre, NOT and A/D as those above with the UA-5 rigs. I would be running sbd > apogee mini-mp > in R1.

I think it would still be nicer than the harsh sound you often get from SBD feeds.

QFT
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: gratefulphish on April 16, 2007, 01:35:47 AM
When I am running four channel, I wil be running SBD>V3>MT 24/96, synced to the wordclock of the mics>722.  Given the choice between the V3 A/D and the MT, it's a no-brainer.  If I only had a pre, I would still run it before any deck, other than maybe a 722.
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: Kindguy on April 17, 2007, 01:29:40 AM
I know it's not a pre but I run SBD> AD500e all the time.
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: ero3030 on April 17, 2007, 07:25:38 AM
 :P ed   need to think before speaking
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: KenH on April 17, 2007, 09:58:01 AM
Yes, I do.   SBD>V3>AES/Coax>P2.  I like the sound of the V3 ADC better than that of the P2.

/Ken
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: sam on April 17, 2007, 11:18:47 AM
Back in October to get enough gain at the National Folk Festival(before i was asked to leave) I had to, Sbd>V2>Stock 671.
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: thegreatgumbino on April 17, 2007, 06:06:56 PM
u cant run run just a pre.  a " regular " pre only takes mic in,  not line in.  ed
???

I think he's referring to mic in vs. line in in the sense of phantom power.  Can't run board > pre w/phantom power on.
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: ero3030 on April 17, 2007, 06:43:21 PM
what he said :P  ed
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: tenesejedd on April 17, 2007, 09:44:04 PM
the mini mp takes mic in and line in. It has the dual use xlr/trs plugs in the back. So i was going to run soundboard into mini-mp line in, and then out to R-1 line in.  I'm going to run that this weekend for Mr. Blotto. I've recorded out of their soundboard before so I'll be able to have a good comparison of what the difference would be.
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: Chuck on April 17, 2007, 10:18:29 PM
I've been running SBD > -20db cables > modified DMIC-20 > iHP-120

It's taking a bit of trial and error to get the proper attenuation with the cables, but it's been worth it.
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: sam on April 17, 2007, 10:40:45 PM
u cant run run just a pre.  a " regular " pre only takes mic in,  not line in.  ed
???

When I went to the Board the soundman said "Use the patchbay, I am sending a mic level signal" So I plugged the 671 in and cranked the levels to 10 and no levels. I put the V2 in front cranked the knobs to 60 cranked the 671 to 10 and I was peaking at -4. Then the stage manager sent security over to see my credentials for taping, and I asked who could give the go and went thru bunches of people, the head of all said that I COULD tape IF I could get signed releases from the artist and deliver them 24 hours before the artist went on stage. If not I had to shut down and leave.
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: jlykos on April 18, 2007, 09:24:37 AM
I like running an A/D out of the SBD, but I have never tried running a preamp out of one.  I always felt that the signal was plenty hot when I ran it out, but the A/D really smoothed out the harsh edges of the signal.  I run the MiniMe with a line-in from the SBD and I think it sounds great.
Title: Re: Does anyone run sbd > pre > recorder?
Post by: Church-Audio on April 18, 2007, 09:27:18 AM
i've done it before.  just remember to never turn on the phantom power

And never use a mic input for a line level signal :) If your going to make sure you use a low impedance to high impedance transformer or at the very least a 20 db mic pad.