Topic: v3- bass roll off?, ansr?, gains?

[svenkid]

my V3 didnt come with a user manual, for whatever reason, Ive had it for about a year and a half and it runs great. About after 7 months of having it, someone saw me taping with it and said "dude, you gottsa run the ansr" I am curious about bass eroll off and the other things on it. Thanks>

svenkid
aka Carl in Arcata

[F.O.Bean]

my V3 didnt come with a user manual, for whatever reason, Ive had it for about a year and a half and it runs great. About after 7 months of having it, someone saw me taping with it and said "dude, you gottsa run the ansr" I am curious about bass eroll off and the other things on it. Thanks>

svenkid
aka Carl in Arcata

ANSR is the dither reduction to go from the 24-bit processing to 16-bit if youre using DAT/JB3, the red ANSR light willcome on when its enabled

the bass roll-off is set at 50Hz(HPF2)/100Hz(HPF1) and if you changed the internal jumpers, you could set the filters for 12db an octave compared to the 6db an octave that comes default out of the box, and also, when switched to 12db/octave, the HPF2 is at 75Hz and the HPF1 is at 125Hz i believe

[Brian Skalinder]

my V3 didnt come with a user manual

The Grace Design website hosts the PDF manual and it's also mirrored here in the User Manual forum.  Check it out, definitely worth reading through!

[fsulloway]

Here's my .02 on the HPF. Yes there are times when it's needed. However if you run it at the show that low end or bass is lost forever. Personally, I've only used it 3 times and I regretted it on two of those occasions. You can always use Wavelab, Soundforge, etc to take it out after the fact.

[jsfrank]

Definitely run with the ANSR on when recording 16 bit. As far as the HPF, I've been running with it set on 2 almost all of the time lately with my AKG 480's. It's been all indoors and has really helped tighten up the sound. I will never have time to dick around with post-processing so this has been kind of a holy grail for me.

[creekfreak]

I only use the roll off when I run omni's and things are a thumping

[jhirte]

my V3 didnt come with a user manual, for whatever reason, Ive had it for about a year and a half and it runs great. About after 7 months of having it, someone saw me taping with it and said "dude, you gottsa run the ansr" I am curious about bass eroll off and the other things on it. Thanks>

svenkid
aka Carl in Arcata

ANSR is the dither reduction to go from the 24-bit processing to 16-bit if youre using DAT/JB3, the red ANSR light willcome on when its enabled

the bass roll-off is set at 50Hz(HPF2)/100Hz(HPF1) and if you changed the internal jumpers, you could set the filters for 12db an octave compared to the 6db an octave that comes default out of the box, and also, when switched to 12db/octave, the HPF2 is at 75Hz and the HPF1 is at 125Hz i believe

there are a few settings:

active/passive (6db or 12db).
HP low: 100hz / 50hz
HP high: 125hz / 75hz

switch up is the higher, down is lower (eg 100/50)

Personally, I run the roll off at 90% shows I do (metal/punk, whatever you want to call it). I run 75hz 6db. w/o it my tapes are a little tooo bassy. I played around with running 100hz 12db for a while, but too much was rolled off.. 75/6 seems to work very good for the stuff I tape.

YMMV

-Jim

[svenkid]

thanks all. 

[wboswell]

Here's my .02 on the HPF. Yes there are times when it's needed. However if you run it at the show that low end or bass is lost forever. Personally, I've only used it 3 times and I regretted it on two of those occasions. You can always use Wavelab, Soundforge, etc to take it out after the fact.

agreed.  I can think of one time where I should have rolled it off and didn't.  The 3 times out of 100 where I ran the rolloff, I now regret it... 

By all means, try it out and experiment, but I'm less than excited about it.

If you plan to listen on an iPod, you will be pleased with the roll off, otherwise, you loose something that you can't get back... 

[BC]

Here's my .02 on the HPF. Yes there are times when it's needed. However if you run it at the show that low end or bass is lost forever. Personally, I've only used it 3 times and I regretted it on two of those occasions. You can always use Wavelab, Soundforge, etc to take it out after the fact.

Agreed, plus depending on your playback system you can just decrease the bass when listening.

[dklein]

One slight advantage of running the rolloff when recording is that a fair bit of the signal 'level' comes from the low frequency energy.  By taking some out, you don't waste all the headroom on low end (that you're gonna remove later).  You'll find that when the filter is engaged, you can raise your levels.  Probably more of a consideration for 16 bit recording than 24.

[Brian]

One slight advantage of running the rolloff when recording is that a fair bit of the signal 'level' comes from the low frequency energy. By taking some out, you don't waste all the headroom on low end (that you're gonna remove later). You'll find that when the filter is engaged, you can raise your levels. Probably more of a consideration for 16 bit recording than 24.

very good point!

not too mention how too much low end can affect the response of the rest of the frequencies.  I always found that -6dB down from 75 or 50 would really help clear up some of my recordings.  If it lacks too much bass, I add it in post.

Of course it's always easier, for me, to critically remove bass from recordings as opposed to adding it but YMMV.

[F.O.Bean]

id rather remove than add in post too YMMV

[stober]

Here's my .02 on the HPF. Yes there are times when it's needed. However if you run it at the show that low end or bass is lost forever. Personally, I've only used it 3 times and I regretted it on two of those occasions. You can always use Wavelab, Soundforge, etc to take it out after the fact.

agreed.  I can think of one time where I should have rolled it off and didn't.  The 3 times out of 100 where I ran the rolloff, I now regret it... 

By all means, try it out and experiment, but I'm less than excited about it.

If you plan to listen on an iPod, you will be pleased with the roll off, otherwise, you loose something that you can't get back... 

ditto for me as well .I didnt care for the roll off either

[marc0789]

even if you're too lazy or tech challenged (me) to do post work, hell anyone can eq the source to make it sound how you want it to. pretty tough to properly eq a thin tinny sounding hpf tape.