Topic: ADK 51 S LE matched pairs

[jbrauer]

Pros?  Cons?

I'll mostly be taping at smaller clubs and occasionally at Red Rocks.  Any help appreciated.

[InfiniteOhms]

as little as i'v used mine (one show so far) I love 'em. But for a few 100 $$ extra you can get the TL's, and those have switchable polars and hypercard could be very helpful in a small club. But overall VERY good bang for your buck!      

[JP Gerard]

On what? Guitar/bass cabs, absolutely.
Overhead, certainly cool but probably a bit feedback-prone.

JP

[InfiniteOhms]

On what? Guitar/bass cabs, absolutely.
Overhead, certainly cool but probably a bit feedback-prone.

JP

I assumed it would be for the normal stereo configs (xy, ortf ect)

[JP Gerard]

For those techniques you can't beat SD condensers. Well, decent ones of course...

I find the Viennas to be pretty amazing for acoustic sources, in AB config. (spaced pair).
Like, you get the instrument, a bit of room, and a wee bit of that elusive "produced sound". The Hamburgs sound "woodier", if that makes any sense.

I like the Viennas off-axis response better.

JP

[Joe w.]

you do alot of studio stuff JP?

[BCostigan]

I ran the LE's for the first time at Mike Gordon Wed night.   I really like them so far!!   Just about the perfect mic for my ears!!   IMHO there is VERY little overemphasis on lows or highs...basically a very natual sounding mic.  

    As was mentioned...for a little more you can get a pair of TL's with switchable patters (already thinking about those ) which gives you a lot more options.  As for the LD vs SD mic thing.....I always run from the ts so size isn't an issue.  I would think the only time you'd NEED SD mics is if you were trying to run FOB/stealth.

If ya want to take a listen to my gordo tapes shoot me a PM.

RatDog tonight!

 

[JP Gerard]

Well, I do run a recording studio... http://www.ibelgique.com/nohype

JP

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

Just got the email confirm, will be delivered on Tuesday...  

Brian, I'd love to get that Gordon SHN.

find me here:  http://db.etree.org/twatts

Terry

[Jason B]

For those techniques you can't beat SD condensers. Well, decent ones of course...

I have to dissagree big time. I have used U89's on a guitar cabinet with awesome results. (stereo cabinet, two U89's XY, Fender strat, blues guitarist).

Also, LD's as drum overheads and on acoustic guitars are simply the shit if you use the right ones. A LD, ADK LE on the sound hole of an acoustic guitar with a SD, MG300 on the neck.... butter.

-JB

[creekfreak]

sound woodier? hmmm, what does wood sound like, stiff and hard?

[JP Gerard]

<I have to dissagree big time. I have used U89's on a guitar cabinet with awesome results. (stereo cabinet, two U89's XY, Fender strat, blues guitarist).>

You probably did. Happy for you. But, err... Did you know that the capsule used in the U89 is NOT a 1" but a smaller capsule; JUST BECAUSE THE MIC IS BIG DOESN'T MEAN THE CAPSULE IS LARGE! Check the Neumann Pinboard for more info.

Also, the question refered to typical XY, AB, ORTF etc. techniques where, I'm sorry to say, the smaller, the better. Can't bend the laws of physics... Off axis reflections from the body and grille are bad; large capsules suck off-axis. SD capsules are ALWAYS more linear on and off axis. I'm not saying we should only be using SD's, but I certainly prefer using a SD pair when I'm doing critical stereo recording, especially from a distance. the difference in off axis coloration is huge.
But I'm not saying it can't be done, or that it doesn't sound good.
Of course, you might actually like the funky off axis response of LDs. I do like it on some things, but mainly pop/rock stuff, not classical etc.

JP


Also, LD's as drum overheads and on acoustic guitars are simply the shit if you use the right ones. A LD, ADK LE on the sound hole of an acoustic guitar with a SD, MG300 on the neck.... butter.

[JP Gerard]

<sound woodier? hmmm, what does wood sound like, stiff and hard? >

AH! I should've been more careful ;O)

I find that some mics, like the KM84, tend to have a very "organic" sound, while things like (modified) Oktava 012's have a sort of slightly "hard" edge to them. They're both good, but I prefer the 84; clients usually pick my modified Oktava's though! I really like the 012s on drums; the 84 sounds a bit "soft" here, by comparison of course.

When I say that a mic is "woodier" I mean that the mic will typically enhance the natural body of the source compared to a more neutral, revealing mic.

Yeah, I know it's all very subjective.

JP

[JP Gerard]

"A LD, ADK LE on the sound hole of an acoustic guitar with a SD, MG300 on the neck.... butter."

I like pairs of ADK Hamburgs or Viennas depending on the guitar, but a very usual setup for me is an 84 and a 451/metal CK1 in AB, a foot away from the guitar, mics about a foot away and // from each other, 84 on bridge, 451 around 14th fret. A bit retro but sounds really cool, solo or in a mix...

JP

[zhianosatch]

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