Topic: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?

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[Gutbucket]

[snip] some want to impose their personal position on us all [snip]

It seems like this particular topic of whether there should be stealth discussion is pretty valid.  Trying to derail it with Hoff bombs is one approach.  Or, just discussing it might be okay too.

Seems like we are getting both here, everybody wins.

The Hoff appearances are harmelss, pretty funny and effective, really.  One of the few seemingly effective derailers to those imposing their open discussion position agenda on us all.  The rainbow reigns within. 

Other forums and company fliers discussing body mic'ing theater actors? that's quite a stretch.  Sure the info is out there if you dig a bit and make logical connections.   Yet that in itself is enough of a barrier to deter the casual.  Which is as it should be.  Why lay things out obviously here like waiving an open container at the passing patrol car?  The blantant idiot gets caught.  Should we collectively act as blatant idiots offering up low hanging fruit to all passers by.

The term steath is used for for a reason, and to think that reason shouldn't apply here as well as 'out there' is silly and contradictory. 

[it-goes-to-eleven]

The fact of the matter is as much as some want to impose their personal position on us all, there is no consensus on this.

But what percentage of respondents are serious practitioners of the discipline, out there getting it done on a regular basis?

Hence my comment that some people advocating for disclosure have no skin in the game.

[aaronji]

http://www.onlineconversion.com/morse_code.htm  For the Morse code impaired...

[hi and lo]

Same thread, different year. My answer is mostly the same.

Ninety-nine percent of the "keep stealth stealth" comments on this forum are nothing more than a regurgitation of something which the authors know absolutely nothing about. That mantra didn't even exist, save for basic common sense, here or anywhere else (like the Oade forum) until one person ruined it for us all. That person was 'in deep' and not your average stealth taper. They made some poor decisions about the information they choose to share and provided a valuable lesson for us all about what not to do.

For the average joe taper, the actual risk in discussing basic techniques on this forum is greatly exaggerated.

[macdaddy]

2. People who record openly and with permission want to keep a clear distinction between the two types of taping.  Having lots of open stealth discussion might wrongly give the impression that everyone here condones that activity or that that is all "taping" is about, which it isn't.

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[Brian Skalinder]

Consensus isn't really applicable, since consensus really applies to decision-making, and we're not a decision-making body.  There's no decision to make, simply perspectives to share.  And in that sense, I agree with capnhook's view.  I think the overall issue and the responses to the poll ultimately boil down to:  should we or should we not discuss stealth activity openly on TS?  When boiled down in this way, the perspective of poll respondents becomes quite clear:  the vast majority think we should not discuss stealth openly -- whether thoughts about it are absolute (ban all stealth talk), strong (should not happen publicly), or moderate (prefer it doesn't happen publicly).  As of this posting:

65.0% do not think stealth should be discussed openly
17.5% think it's okay to discuss stealth openly

We likely can debate the relative risk to no end, and never come to any sort of agreement or common view.  But an individual or collective view on relative risk is beside the point, as one's view of relative risk doesn't necessarily coincide with one's perspective on whether or not we should discuss stealth openly.  For example, my view:  I think the risk from openly discussing stealth is quite low, but we still ought not discuss it openly.

[SmokinJoe]

I think it's OK to discuss things like Omnis vs directional mics, the sonic differences between body mounted vs stand mounted mics.

I don't think we should discuss the actual stealth part, like where to hide gear, etc.

[stevetoney]

The fact of the matter is as much as some want to impose their personal position on us all, there is no consensus on this.

But what percentage of respondents are serious practitioners of the discipline, out there getting it done on a regular basis?

Hence my comment that some people advocating for disclosure have no skin in the game.

This is an open discussion about whether or not people think it's OK to talk about stealth on ts.com.  Skin in the game is irrelevant to that discussion.

Obviously, we can conclude from this poll that most people lean on the 'no' side by about 2/3 to 3/4 of the total.  I'm not sure about others, but I'll use that knowledge in the future.  Since the majority of people say no, I respect that and I'll be alot more likely to hit 'delete' instead of hitting 'send' on any post that discusses stealth technique. 

EDIT:  Cyber crossing with Brian's post.  Excellent post Brian...in some respects similar to the point I've made above.

[acidjack]

I think it's OK to discuss things like Omnis vs directional mics, the sonic differences between body mounted vs stand mounted mics.

I don't think we should discuss the actual stealth part, like where to hide gear, etc.

I don't think anyone reasonable can object to discussions of what mics to use for mounting to your body (which isn't necessarily stealthing) or even placement (other than something dumb like, "Stand 2ft to the right of the curtain in Venue X - that's the SECRET STEALTHING SPOT"

To me 'stealth discussion' means what it means to you - hiding stuff, basically.  I think people should feel free to offer thoughts on what mics are good for stealthing, why/why not, etc.

[mfrench]

uhmmm,.... talking about mounting to the body is talking about 5†3@7†h.

refers back to the Zappa quote.

[capnhook]

Oh, math comprehension was not taught in your school....I get it.

Sorry 

Boohoo, you are going to make me cry.

The ultimate in internet discussion... the ad hominem argument. 

vanark, you are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

[robeti]

I only stealth. Audio rig + video rig.
Only way to do this is to be creative. Customize.

If you're not creative, you can't be a good stealth taper.

There's no need to discuss things openly.

[Wiggler]

Moke Zappa wasn't too keen on censorship.