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Help with stealth soundboards!
« on: December 15, 2004, 02:42:17 AM »
Hey all. I'm into getting stealth soundboards and have been successful a few times, but only on the boards with RCA jacks...that's real easy to do, it just says "tape out" or whatever.
On boards that don't have that I've been less successful. I'm well aware which cables I need as it has been mentioned on here countless times...but what I need to know is where to plug into the board when it isn't so obvious which is the proper or best line out.

This Friday I want to record from a Soundcraft 200b board, but I don't know where I want to plug in. Is it the 2 Track returns? the aux outputs? the mix outputs? the tape returns?
here is the complete info on the board:
http://www.soundcraft.com/product_sheet.asp?product_id=68

How about other boards? What other words am I looking for on the back of the board that mean "line out"?
Really appreciate your help!
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Re: Help with stealth soundboards!
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2004, 03:10:26 AM »
IME boards w/o tape outs have 1/4" outs but it could require post mixing the left and right channels. happened to me last week.
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Re: Help with stealth soundboards!
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2004, 06:00:48 AM »
Whats a stealth soundboard? If you're plugging in to a board without permission you risk upsetting quite a lot of people!
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Re: Help with stealth soundboards!
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2004, 08:51:21 AM »
Quote from: dre on December 15, 2004, 03:10:26 AM
IME boards w/o tape outs have 1/4" outs but it could require post mixing the left and right channels. happened to me last week.


Again, I'm aware that I might need 1/4 inch cables. I need to know where to plug those into on the board. Does anybody know?
I've never upset anybody with a stealth soundboard, so I'm not worried about that. Somebody must be able to help me out here!
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Re: Help with stealth soundboards!
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2004, 09:21:05 AM »
-t for bad karma, mate. It is NOT cool to plug into a SBD without asking the sound guy first, who should be the one answering these questions anyhow.

Of course, if I've misunderstood and this isn't what you're doing, I'll +t you again.
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Re: Help with stealth soundboards!
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2004, 10:26:17 AM »
Quote from: Humbug on December 15, 2004, 09:21:05 AM
-t for bad karma, mate. It is NOT cool to plug into a SBD without asking the sound guy first, who should be the one answering these questions anyhow.

Of course, if I've misunderstood and this isn't what you're doing, I'll +t you again.

The whole idea of this bothers me too, but I know that some guys do it.
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Re: Help with stealth soundboards!
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2004, 10:28:38 AM »
Ditto. A local venue here in Boston stopped allowing SBDs even for taper-friendly acts after one guy blew out the house system by plugging in without permission. Not cool at all.
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Re: Help with stealth soundboards!
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2004, 10:56:05 AM »
There are a number of reasons that make 'stealthing' a SBD a bad idea; but a prime one is that unless you know how the engineer/FOH person is routing things, you will wind up with nada anyway. At a recent show, the board that I was patched into had some faulty outputs; so I had to connect to a monitor submix out that wasn't being used for the stage...and the engineer had to route the mix to that bus for me.

And as mentioned above, you could also cause technical difficulties for the house, which could make the venue decide to not allow any taping at all, even when the recordists are using mics for taper-friendly acts.
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Re: Help with stealth soundboards!
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2004, 11:21:26 AM »
Quote from: greenone on December 15, 2004, 10:28:38 AM
Ditto. A local venue here in Boston stopped allowing SBDs even for taper-friendly acts after one guy blew out the house system by plugging in without permission. Not cool at all.

what venue do you speak of? out of curiosity...

again, not cool bro. not to mention pretty damn dumb. i wont harp on what others have said, but wow...
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Re: Help with stealth soundboards!
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2004, 12:59:22 PM »
If I were a soundguy, I'd turn the tape-out level all the way up, and leave it there.

See the thread about LOS becoming non-taper friendly before you distribute one of these recordings.
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Re: Help with stealth soundboards!
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2004, 01:57:32 PM »
The stealth SBD was attempted at one of our Acoustic Planet shows in Minneapolis.  While Richard Battaglia only unplugged the person in that incident, in later discussion we all thought a quick snip with a pocketknife might be the best way to fix it next time it happened.
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Re: Help with stealth soundboards!
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2004, 02:30:01 PM »
Quote from: pfife on December 15, 2004, 12:59:22 PM
If I were a soundguy, I'd turn the tape-out level all the way up, and leave it there.

See the thread about LOS becoming non-taper friendly before you distribute one of these recordings.


that was Hot Tuna actually...

Phish stopped allowing SBDs after some jackass brought down half of the PA midway through a set....
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Re: Help with stealth soundboards!
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2004, 02:34:24 PM »
the only way to allow soundboards IME is through a patchbay. Dispatch's sound guy Buzzy used to allow them because he had a custom box which essentially split the tape out signal into i think 8 sets of RCA's and 1/4". Pretty sweet, just came to the show, plugged in your cables and you were all set. ahhh back in the day when i used to patch sbd with my MD  ::) in any case, other than that, i would never let someone i didnt know or trust plug directly into my board if i were FOH.
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Re: Help with stealth soundboards!
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2004, 02:44:15 PM »
We used to have one, but someone stole it after a gig.  Just unplugged it and walked away with it.   >:(
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Re: Help with stealth soundboards!
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2004, 02:57:24 PM »
Quote from: Tim on December 15, 2004, 02:30:01 PM
Quote from: pfife on December 15, 2004, 12:59:22 PM
If I were a soundguy, I'd turn the tape-out level all the way up, and leave it there.

See the thread about LOS becoming non-taper friendly before you distribute one of these recordings.


that was Hot Tuna actually...

Phish stopped allowing SBDs after some jackass brought down half of the PA midway through a set....

 :-X :-[

thanks for correcting me TIm.
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