Author Topic: Gaps with burning DVD-As with wavelab... (Read 10896 times)

nickgregory · « **on:** February 20, 2005, 01:44:50 PM »

I cant find an answer to this anywhere in the archives, so hopefully someone can help. I have burned 2 24/96 DVD-As...no problem on burning them, but they have tiny gaps in between tracks when I play it back. The two things I did when setting the wavelab settings were:

In the Options pull down menu, I wend to Edit Default Pregap and set that to 0

and then under the DVD-A tab, I unchecked adjust pause between tracks and hit apply.

Am I doing something wrong with how I am importing the files to be burned?

Appreciate any help!

sygdwm · « **Reply #1 on:** February 20, 2005, 03:26:40 PM »

try setting the gap to 0 w/ the box checked and apply. how are you inserting the tracks?

tmfraley2 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 20, 2005, 04:25:04 PM »

Quote from: dre on February 20, 2005, 03:26:40 PM

try setting the gap to 0 w/ the box checked and apply. how are you inserting the tracks?

I will have to try that...I am thinking the problem may be with the way I am dropping the files in. I basically open them all at once in opening the montage and insert them..there are some options there in terms of how to import them, maybe that is what I am doing wrong...

tmfraley2 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 20, 2005, 04:25:24 PM »

sorry, last one from nick....sitting at tims computer

dklein · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2005, 05:29:35 PM »

I haven't tried individual tracks before but if that doesn't work, I've had gapless success with a single giant file and cue sheet from CDWave.

nickgregory · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2005, 07:33:29 PM »

another coaster...has gaps between the tracks...appreciate the input on the long wave, but these are files someone else has made...already cut up...

I think I am going back to Maxell IIs

seriously, anyone have anymore suggestions?

dklein · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2005, 12:14:05 AM »

Stick 'em back together to make one long wave?

scb · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2005, 01:27:57 AM »

you followed the instructions in the second post here:

http://www.taperssection.com/index.php?topic=22433.0

?

nickgregory · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2005, 07:31:48 AM »

Quote from: scott brown on February 21, 2005, 01:27:57 AM

you followed the instructions in the second post here:

http://www.taperssection.com/index.php?topic=22433.0

?

sure did...

is it possible that my dvd player is inserting the gaps??

sygdwm · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2005, 11:20:09 AM »

here's what i do:

open one wav file (usually the 1st) then go to edit>create audio montage from wave (select whole range)
right-click the empty space after the 1st track
choose insert file(s)
select all the files but the 1st track (i switch file type to detail for ease)
check boxes line up on the current track and shift existing clips to the right
set the cd/dvd tab to dvd
click the cd/dvd wizard (magic wand) set pause b/w tracks to 0 and leave the box checked and apply

nickgregory · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2005, 11:30:43 AM »

thanks, let me try that tonight!

Craig T · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2005, 12:00:13 PM »

Yes, this is one possibility. Jon was having trouble with gaps, he sent me one of his burned DVDA's that supposedly had gaps and it played fine in my Panasonic.

Quote from: nickgregory on February 21, 2005, 07:31:48 AM

Quote from: scott brown on February 21, 2005, 01:27:57 AM
you followed the instructions in the second post here:

http://www.taperssection.com/index.php?topic=22433.0

?

sure did...

is it possible that my dvd player is inserting the gaps??

nickgregory · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2005, 07:57:52 PM »

Quote from: dre on February 21, 2005, 11:20:09 AM

here's what i do:

open one wav file (usually the 1st) then go to edit>create audio montage from wave (select whole range)
right-click the empty space after the 1st track
choose insert file(s)
select all the files but the 1st track (i switch file type to detail for ease)
check boxes line up on the current track and shift existing clips to the right
set the cd/dvd tab to dvd
click the cd/dvd wizard (magic wand) set pause b/w tracks to 0 and leave the box checked and apply

tried this and it didnt work...same gaps...anyone want to volunteer for me to send you the disc and see how it plays on your player?

sygdwm · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2005, 08:47:33 PM »

send it to me. and the 24bit flacs if you got em.

nickgregory · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2005, 10:07:13 PM »

Quote from: dre on February 21, 2005, 08:47:33 PM

send it to me. and the 24bit flacs if you got em.

appreciate the offer...already got them in the mail to Craig T...I will post my results....the player is a samsung HD841...just a rebadged Toshiba 4960, which I think people have used successfully so I dont think it is that, but I want to rule it out...

RobC · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2005, 06:48:00 AM »

Quote from: nickgregory on February 21, 2005, 10:07:13 PM

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....the player is a samsung HD841...just a rebadged Toshiba 4960, which I think people have used successfully so I dont think it is that, but I want to rule it out...

I have a samsung HD841 and get split second gaps with the DVD-As i make with disc welder bronze.
So I wouldn't be suprised if maybe the player may have something to do with it.

what happens is my reciever unlocks and relocks on the digital signal during track changes.
I've just been buning 24 bit DVD-As as one long track for each set now

nickgregory · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2005, 09:22:38 AM »

Quote from: RobC on February 23, 2005, 06:48:00 AM

Quote from: nickgregory on February 21, 2005, 10:07:13 PM
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....the player is a samsung HD841...just a rebadged Toshiba 4960, which I think people have used successfully so I dont think it is that, but I want to rule it out...

I have a samsung HD841 and get split second gaps with the DVD-As i make with disc welder bronze.
So I wouldn't be suprised if maybe the player may have something to do with it.

what happens is my reciever unlocks and relocks on the digital signal during track changes.
I've just been buning 24 bit DVD-As as one long track for each set now

that is exatly what happens with me...the receiver locks and unlocks on the digi signal......that sucks that it happens with discwelder as well...

sygdwm · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2005, 10:37:22 AM »

pioneer 563a. no gaps. cheap. plays everything i throw in it.

nickgregory · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2005, 10:49:26 AM »

Quote from: dre on February 23, 2005, 10:37:22 AM

pioneer 563a. no gaps. cheap. plays everything i throw in it.

the HD841 and the toshiba 4960 are the same units and I thought that people used the 4960s without gaps without issue...test will be when Craig gets the disc I sent either today or tomorrow and verifies if it has gaps at all....

here is a question, you running digi out of the 563a?

sygdwm · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2005, 03:49:51 PM »

nickgregory · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2005, 03:54:59 PM »

Quote from: dre on February 23, 2005, 03:49:51 PM

yes

ok....a guy on audiocircle.com posted that there is a firmware update that I am going to try to install when I get home...hopefully that takes care of it! will post back with results...

nickgregory · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2005, 07:24:18 PM »

flashed the firmware...good news is it loaded easily...bad news, still has gaps....

sygdwm · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2005, 10:42:45 PM »

im telling you its the player, if you follow what i said you should have no gaps.

nickgregory · « **Reply #23 on:** February 24, 2005, 09:04:15 AM »

Quote from: dre on February 23, 2005, 10:42:45 PM

im telling you its the player, if you follow what i said you should have no gaps.

I am guessing that is what it is....Craig will be able to confirm that if the disc I sent him has gaps on it or not

Craig T · « **Reply #24 on:** February 27, 2005, 04:10:31 PM »

I received Nick's dvda. No gaps on my player - Panasonic DVDF85.

Quote from: nickgregory on February 24, 2005, 09:04:15 AM

Quote from: dre on February 23, 2005, 10:42:45 PM
im telling you its the player, if you follow what i said you should have no gaps.

I am guessing that is what it is....Craig will be able to confirm that if the disc I sent him has gaps on it or not

nickgregory · « **Reply #25 on:** February 27, 2005, 05:03:38 PM »

thanks Craig, +T...now to get on the phone with samsung...

wboswell · « **Reply #26 on:** February 28, 2005, 09:45:44 PM »

So I've finally gotten somewhere with burning from Wavelab... I suppose the problem was with the pioneer dvdr-108 burner. I'm using a borrowed external and having succes, sorta. For some reason, I'm getting a split second gap between track(chapter) 1 and track 2. No other audible gaps are heard when I listen to the rest of the disc. Not a horribly bad thing as the first track is generally a lead-in track, but still, its a little odd. I'm guessing that its a setup thing, but I've run through it twice now with the same results...

On another note, my Denon 2900 will output/pass a digital signal with the discs burned in Wavelab. The discs authored in Discwelder Steel(that Damon has sent) will only output the left channel to an external DAC.

RobC · « **Reply #27 on:** March 01, 2005, 10:39:55 AM »

Quote from: nickgregory on February 27, 2005, 05:03:38 PM

thanks Craig, +T...now to get on the phone with samsung...

I think my Samsung my become my Living room movie player and I will get a new one for the stereo
it would be nice to have tracked out DVD-As

nickgregory · « **Reply #28 on:** March 01, 2005, 10:40:57 AM »

Quote from: RobC on March 01, 2005, 10:39:55 AM

I think my Samsung my become my Living room movie player and I will get a new one for the stereo
it would be nice to have tracked out DVD-As

agreed, I believe mine will be going on ebay tomorrow

wboswell · « **Reply #29 on:** March 07, 2005, 05:00:27 PM »

anyone had a hard time with the toshiba 4690 not playing well with Wavelab burned discs? I just sent a few to a friends and he says they are not playing well together...

thanks

Joe w. · « **Reply #30 on:** March 07, 2005, 06:21:52 PM »

I have the toshiba and am interested if the player is the problem. Have we determined that as fact?

nickgregory · « **Reply #31 on:** March 07, 2005, 06:23:46 PM »

I know for a fact that the HD-841 is the problem....however daryan I believe posted that he had no issues with the toshiba...ymmv

nickgregory · « **Reply #32 on:** March 07, 2005, 06:24:27 PM »

Quote from: wboswell on March 07, 2005, 05:00:27 PM

anyone had a hard time with the toshiba 4690 not playing well with Wavelab burned discs? I just sent a few to a friends and he says they are not playing well together...

thanks

is he getting gaps between songs? if so that is what I had....it is a buffer issue as I understand it, at least for my player

wboswell · « **Reply #33 on:** March 07, 2005, 09:43:35 PM »

Quote from: nickgregory on March 07, 2005, 06:24:27 PM

Quote from: wboswell on March 07, 2005, 05:00:27 PM
anyone had a hard time with the toshiba 4690 not playing well with Wavelab burned discs? I just sent a few to a friends and he says they are not playing well together...

thanks

is he getting gaps between songs? if so that is what I had....it is a buffer issue as I understand it, at least for my player

He said the disc would play 30 seconds of a track, then skip to the next track. After the first 3 tracks, it played the disc fine. The second disc, however, was totally screwed. It was jumping around from track to track he said.

Joe, I'll give you the discs to try out at home...

nickgregory · « **Reply #34 on:** March 07, 2005, 10:04:36 PM »

different problem than I have....mine play fine, just put in gaps due to a buffer issue

Kyle · « **Reply #35 on:** March 08, 2005, 12:16:55 AM »

I just got a Toshiba 4960 today - and I am returning it tomorrow.

3 problems right off the bat

gaps with dvd-a discs burned in wavelab
composite video out does not work
play/pause and stop buttons on remote do not work when a disc is in the player (sounds crazy but true)

I tested a Pioneer 578a at Curcuit City today and it seemed to work fine - no gaps at least. I think I'm gonna pick it up tomorrow

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #36 on:** March 08, 2005, 02:15:56 AM »

nice kyle, lemme know what works out for you so i can buy the same thing

Kyle · « **Reply #37 on:** March 08, 2005, 07:54:52 PM »

Quote from: Bean on March 08, 2005, 02:15:56 AM

nice kyle, lemme know what works out for you so i can buy the same thing

I picked up the Pioneer DV-578a today and I am putting thru the paces now. So far, it has played back everything I have tried SACD, DVD-A(wavelab, no gaps

) redbook, commercial dvds. I do not have any burned dvds (movies, etc) so I have no tried those yet. Sounds good, a bit cleaner than my Sony dvp-ns700p. The Pioneer seems to have a bit less bass, but I think the bass is tighter, whereas with the Sony it is kind of thumpin'. The Sony also seems to be a little brighter. I have quite a bit more listening to do so more later....

Craig T · « **Reply #38 on:** March 09, 2005, 09:06:33 AM »

I had a 4960 and didn't experience any problems with burned DVDA's.

nickgregory · « **Reply #39 on:** March 09, 2005, 09:08:13 AM »

Quote from: Craig T on March 09, 2005, 09:06:33 AM

I had a 4960 and didn't experience any problems with burned DVDA's.

burned with wavelab? Frank Sulloway was telling me there are very small gaps on his DVD-As with the 4960...maybe it is the brand of DVD-As...anyone use any different types than fuji -rs?

Craig T · « **Reply #40 on:** March 09, 2005, 09:15:46 AM »

Quote from: nickgregory on March 09, 2005, 09:08:13 AM

Quote from: Craig T on March 09, 2005, 09:06:33 AM
I had a 4960 and didn't experience any problems with burned DVDA's.

burned with wavelab? Frank Sulloway was telling me there are very small gaps on his DVD-As with the 4960...maybe it is the brand of DVD-As...anyone use any different types than fuji -rs?

Not 100% sure about WaveLab since I typically use DiscWelder Bronze, but there are a few WaveLab discs in my collection and I never noticed a gap problem.

Nicaragua · « **Reply #41 on:** March 09, 2005, 11:09:56 PM »

I have the 4960. always gaps w/ wavelab. no gaps w/ Audio DVD creator. debating on whether or not to give Discwelder a shot.... $:-\$

wboswell · « **Reply #42 on:** March 11, 2005, 01:03:53 PM »

I downloaded the demo of audio dvd creator and I had some issues with it. Seemed pretty buggy... I may try it again, b/c its a great idea.

nickgregory · « **Reply #43 on:** March 11, 2005, 09:21:55 PM »

yeah, I am going to try discwelder and dvd-audio creator this weekend...will report back....hopefully one will work without gaps...

nickgregory · « **Reply #44 on:** March 12, 2005, 02:39:18 PM »

dvd audio creator worked without gaps...seems like a reasonable alternative....going to try discwelder next...

wboswell · « **Reply #45 on:** March 13, 2005, 08:29:33 AM »

did it allow you to burn a full disc or did it only allow you to burn half of your project?

nickgregory · « **Reply #46 on:** March 13, 2005, 10:43:01 AM »

Quote from: wboswell on March 13, 2005, 08:29:33 AM

did it allow you to burn a full disc or did it only allow you to burn half of your project?

the demo version only allowed me to do 5 songs, but it worked correctly. My discwelder test has gaps as well....I am guessing that this player and the 4960 probably have issues with DVD-A's from a buffering perspective, track to track...as when I used the disc authored as DVD, it worked like it should...looks like I am going to have to buy a copy of this DVD Audio creator

wboswell · « **Reply #47 on:** March 13, 2005, 10:06:52 PM »

any chance you've tried a store bought dvd-a? I wonder if that has the same issues?

my 2900 has similar problems but only on the first track (and sometimes 2). I may go back to audio dvd creator. That way, I can at least share with other folks that don't have dvd-a players. Hell, even with a universal player, there are issues within the issues.

nickgregory · « **Reply #48 on:** March 13, 2005, 10:16:35 PM »

I have the same problem with store bought DVD-As on the Samsung HD841....it is definitely a design issue....the guy that mods them on audiogon was telling me that he thinks it is a buffer issue....it exists on normal CDs to...just a different outcome...not gaps in between tracks, but if you fast forward to another track, it starts playing it a second into it....

The audio DVD creator program has worked great...I have burned and listened to a few shows today with no problems....