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Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« on: March 06, 2009, 10:57:25 PM »
Hi, I'm new here and just thought i would see if any of you guys are using Canon Hv20's or 30's?  I got a HV20 last year for Xmas, it is my first camcorder and now i am completely hooked!  I have been spending waaay too much time and a lot of money on gear for it.  I originally got it to film my daughter, then i got to thinking, why not film some bands?  I go to a lot of music festivals during the summer due to my side job which is glassblowing,  i thought it would be awesome to start filming. 

Right now for for camera gear i have a cheapo tripod, which i plan on upgrading real soon.  I also have a JAG35 Pro DOF adapter as well as a Canon wide angle lens.  For mics I currently have a Canon DM50 which is ran off the hot shoe and is shotgun and stereo.  I haven't tried using this for bands yet but am curious on how it will do.  I also have a Rode Videomic on the way, this is just a mono shotgun mic but can be run externally.  I am thinking about getting rid of the DM50 and upgrading to some other mics which is how i stumbled on this forum.

I'm not really sure what to do, I  don't really have extra cash to buy a separate recorder and mics, so i was thinking i would just use the mics i have and try to hook up with a taper with some nice gear and see if i could find someone to trade video for sound.  I guess my other option would be to buy some mics and a Juicedlink or Beachtek preamp and run some external mics to the camera, the main problem i see with that is most tapers have their mic stands back by the soundboard, i may want be closer to film and don't think it would be too cool have a wire running from my camera from there. 

What do you guys think?  Anyone else here recording video and sound like this?

Anyone else on here from the midwest?  I frequent shows in Minnesota, Iowa, and Illinois.  I can't wait till summer!!  I was just told the company i work for is closing so i will be blowing glass and hitting shows all summer!!
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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2009, 02:52:42 PM »
yeah i use the hv30 mostly for porno, you will need to maybe get the beachteck fro XLR adapters so that you can have mics that can handle SPLs.


Its best to run a seperate rig for audio that is what i do but again i see you do have a  price range. But if you truly want some good sound seperate rig might be worth the money.

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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2009, 09:05:17 PM »
yeah i use the hv30 mostly for porno, you will need to maybe get the beachteck fro XLR adapters so that you can have mics that can handle SPLs.


Its best to run a seperate rig for audio that is what i do but again i see you do have a  price range. But if you truly want some good sound seperate rig might be worth the money.

Porn huh? I just found out the place i work for is closing, looking for any new actors?? ahahaha
That said I won't be buying any new toys for awhile, I'll probably just try to hook up with a taper and see if they would want to work out a deal.  I hate trying to sync up video with audio, but for god sound it might be worth the hassle.

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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2009, 11:45:26 PM »
just picked up a hv20.  can anyone quickly school me on what settings i should be sticking with?  particularly shutter priority/aperture priority/cinemode?  also extra batteries, any recommendations?


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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2009, 01:35:22 AM »
Samples OGTFO.   >:D


yeah i use the hv30 mostly for porno, you will need to maybe get the beachteck fro XLR adapters so that you can have mics that can handle SPLs.


Its best to run a seperate rig for audio that is what i do but again i see you do have a  price range. But if you truly want some good sound seperate rig might be worth the money.

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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2009, 03:31:36 PM »
just picked up a hv20.  can anyone quickly school me on what settings i should be sticking with?  particularly shutter priority/aperture priority/cinemode?  also extra batteries, any recommendations?



I recently bought an HV20 and have only used it for a couple shows.  I used cinemode and was very pleased with the results.  I haven't really had time to experiment with many other settings.  A couple things I know for sure; the internal mics sound bad and the camera is very sensitive to vibrations, so be prepared with some padding if you're going to be on a wooden floor.
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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2009, 11:23:01 PM »
Anyone using a Rode Stereo Mic, I'm thinking about selling my Canon DM-50 and Rode Video Mic to get one.  It is a Stereo X/Y condenser mic and seems like it would be the best bang for my buck.

As far as video settings go, i would either use either cinemode or spotlight mode, i believe cinemode will give you better results with low-light conditions just be sure to lock the gain.  Spotlight mode automatically locks the gain so you don't have to worry about locking yourself, but it does not allow for WB adjustment.

There are a few ppl over at hv20 dot com trying to hack the HV20/30 to make it fully manual which is very exciting!
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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2009, 11:34:20 PM »
Anyone using a Rode Stereo Mic, I'm thinking about selling my Canon DM-50 and Rode Video Mic to get one.  It is a Stereo X/Y condenser mic and seems like it would be the best bang for my buck.

As far as video settings go, i would either use either cinemode or spotlight mode, i believe cinemode will give you better results with low-light conditions just be sure to lock the gain.  Spotlight mode automatically locks the gain so you don't have to worry about locking yourself, but it does not allow for WB adjustment.

There are a few ppl over at hv20 dot com trying to hack the HV20/30 to make it fully manual which is very exciting!

I hear the Rode Mic is good but not as far as concerts. Weddings yes. Concert not so.  I know Audio technic makes a very good mic, but it is a long shotgun and i think it might get in the shot being so long.  I dont think even the Rode stereo mic can handle SPL's decently.  Usually setting for concerts can be tricky due to changing lights, and especially red lights which the camera does not like very well, so you might have to take an active approach as the visuals change during a concert you might have to be adjusting the shutter as you go.  You can keep it in " normal" HDV mode for capture under " program" and use the function button to add or subtract shutter.

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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2009, 08:47:19 AM »
Rode Stereo Videomic can handle extremly high SLP easily, never get overloaded for me. You can view few samples at my youtube page:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSq7KOy_i04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwk9HkquGKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDz4o3mxsIA
The sound wasn't perfect there by itself, but the mic picked up everything I need nicely (and rejected most of the unwanted crowd noise from behind). I also used it on silent acoustic concerts with CA preamp - it came out very well too.

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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2009, 09:02:52 PM »
BTW, you shouldn't be scared or shy away from externally synching audio and video.  I do it all the time for the concert vids that I shoot.  It's quite easy to do with the right software.  If you're shooting a show that you know will have tapers present, getting a copy of their recording would be the way to go because there's nothing IMHO that spoils a good video quicker than shoddy audio.

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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2009, 10:34:07 PM »
Thanks for the advice man,  I'm really looking forward to filming some bands this summer outdoors!  I filmed a local cover band last night at a bar and, MAN was that a total bitch!  The lighting was HORRIBLE, basically most of the footage was wither too dark or looked too grainy after adjusting the exposure. There was just no happy medium at all.

I have decided to give up on getting good audio and am leaving that to the the pros, that said I am going to look for another HV20 to use as a B-Roll. 


BTW, you shouldn't be scared or shy away from externally synching audio and video.  I do it all the time for the concert vids that I shoot.  It's quite easy to do with the right software.  If you're shooting a show that you know will have tapers present, getting a copy of their recording would be the way to go because there's nothing IMHO that spoils a good video quicker than shoddy audio.
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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2009, 08:12:04 AM »
I have decided to give up on getting good audio and am leaving that to the the pros, that said I am going to look for another HV20 to use as a B-Roll. 

Nice!  If you have two camera's, that's even better.  I've got two low-def Sony PC-100s.  What I like to do is setup on two tripods and have the two cameras rolling, each camera with a different perspective of the stage.  Then what you do is just sorta wander between each camera during the show to get your raw footage.  However, the key is that whenever you leave one of the cameras unattended, before you leave it, you pan back so that camera is the camera that's got the whole stage in view.  This way the unattended camera won't be shooting a scene with nothing in it because say you're focused in on the the guitar player and he wanders to another part of the stage.  Obviously, the camera that you're operating is actively zooming and panning the action, getting close-ups of solo's, keying in on the actual music that's happening as it's being played.  With this raw footage shot using this technique, mixing the video in post with Vegas is the most important thing, but you'll always have two scene's to choose from.  Makes for a really dynamic video that's never boring or tiring to watch, like the static shot single cam vids are.  The guys that are REALLY good also will use the fade function of Vegas where you mix two scenes together at appropriate spots of the video...using a really slow fade say during a solo where one camera is spotlighting on the guitar and the other is maybe panned back.  You know what I'm talking about...where there are two video's on the screen at one time and one slowly fades in as the other slowly fades out.  Cool!

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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2009, 10:09:15 PM »
What programs are you guys using to edit the film? I just purchased a hv30 and went out and filmed a band trying to edit the video I have pinnacle 9.3 that I used to use for my other film projects I shot with my older canon elura50 so Im guessing I have to get a newer program that handles HD. My older camera I was able to capture the video in pinnacle in .avi format. looks as though now I have to capture in mpeg format is mpeg format a compressed format compared to .avi...  any help would be great..

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Re: Any Canon HV20/30 users here?
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2009, 12:49:49 PM »
I capture in Ulead Video Studio and it captures in mpeg format for HDV (around 12gb per 60min).

I filmed Metallica recently with my new HV20 and it came out excellent. It was stealth but I'm happy with the results. I now can't wait until the summer when I'll film some bands with permission and tripod!!

A HD sample can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6-tBYV0aiw&fmt=22


Nice video.  Did you record it in 24fps or 60i?

 

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