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9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« on: May 23, 2004, 05:49:22 PM »
$49.97 at most walmarts this thing, IMHO, is pretty sweet!

I'm testing to see how long I get powering the ua-5 and after 7 hours it's still 1/2 full!!  I'll report back with the final time.

Here are some pics of it and the ua-5 as well as some pics with the one of the Hosa converters.

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Re:9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2004, 09:16:16 PM »
I might have a line on a few of these in distressed (read opened) packages)  They would be around $35 shipped, pm me if you would be interested.  

Looks like they are 7.2's not 9v.

Works for UA-5 from what fozzy says tho... Will post update as soon as they arrive...
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Re:9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2004, 09:36:00 PM »
Do they sell other versions of this battery? Looking for either more voltage or more Ah.
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Re:9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2004, 10:01:11 PM »
I only ran the test for 8 hours and still showed the battery as 1/2 full.  From this I'm guessing an easy 10+ hours off 1 charge for the ua-5.   Also.....it only took about 5 hours to completely recharge!
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Re:9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2004, 02:22:19 AM »
hmm is this in store only? i looked on walmart.com and all i could find was the 7.2 volt version for like $59
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Re:9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2004, 01:30:02 PM »
A couple questions here.   Is that blue hosa box required to run a UA-5 off this battery?  Instead of a 4 pin connection can I use a RC battery connector?  Also please explain how to reverse the polarity.   I would love to run this with my UA-5 but still a little unclear about how to hook it up.
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Re:9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2004, 01:44:27 PM »
From the looks of the picture you could just could take an adaptaplug cable and two plugs and hook them up.  To switch ring and tip polarity you just have to rotate the plug 180 deg.
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Re:9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2004, 02:44:08 PM »
Is that blue hosa box required to run a UA-5 off this battery?

No.

Instead of a 4 pin connection can I use a RC battery connector?

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Re:9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2004, 03:06:21 PM »
will this work with a sonosax?
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Re:9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2004, 07:39:34 PM »
So, BC, the polarity of the battery matches the DC IN on the UA5?  Your photos would seem to indicate that.

Thanks

No the polarity is not matched.....tip and ring have to be swapped.

Like wtreynol said you can easily do this with the adaptaplug.


The Sax??   I'm not familiar with the sax but if it will take 9 volts externally you can always find a way to connect it!!
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2004, 09:16:37 AM »
brian, in those photos, it appears that you're running the ua-5 with no load.  have you run tests powering mics?

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2004, 12:06:58 AM »
does wal-mart still carry these?  Does mine just suck?  I looked around but could not find any  :'(  I get my new UA-5 tommorow and would love to get one of these to run it.
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2004, 01:28:21 AM »
does wal-mart still carry these?  Does mine just suck?  I looked around but could not find any  :'(  I get my new UA-5 tommorow and would love to get one of these to run it.

They're right next to the portable DVD players.
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2004, 03:44:46 AM »


Holy Calamity,  I just scored 2 off eBay!  $61 total!!!  :o



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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2004, 07:58:14 AM »
does wal-mart still carry these?  Does mine just suck?  I looked around but could not find any  :'(  I get my new UA-5 tommorow and would love to get one of these to run it.

They're right next to the portable DVD players.

not in mine, i'll have to harass the not-so-friendly salespeople or drive to a different wal-mart
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2004, 08:08:28 AM »
they still have them here also, as he said, right next tot he portable dvd players

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2004, 02:44:13 PM »
where can I get the adaptaplug?
Radio Shack have them?


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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2004, 02:51:56 PM »
Yes, they have a bunch. If the size you need is not in the store, they have more online, I believe.
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2004, 02:55:58 PM »
is there a part number?
I am about to be out by the local Radio shack. I figured I could check....
but it is a mom and pop store and the service is kinda slack.

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Re:9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2004, 03:39:21 PM »
will this work with a sonosax?

I would kind of like to know the same thing. Woodruff, I have been looking at the Energizer 9v Lithium Ion batteries and you can get about 6 on ebay for about $20. From what I have read you can get about 10+ hours on one set. Good for festies I suppose. I'm gonna get some for the Nashville Music Classic coming up, otherwise I'm just gonna use regular 9v alkalines I believe. Believe it or not, but Lowe's has pretty good prices on batteries. I got 8 9v's for about $15.

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2004, 03:42:03 PM »
Please flip back to the first page of this thread for a foto -- this is a 9 volt rechargable lithium ion battery that's about the size of a paperback book -- it is NOT the type of battery that would fit IN a sax. 


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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2004, 04:55:00 PM »
Please flip back to the first page of this thread for a foto -- this is a 9 volt rechargable lithium ion battery that's about the size of a paperback book -- it is NOT the type of battery that would fit IN a sax. 



I know. I would like to know if it would power the Sax or not, for a possible alternative. I was also merely giving a suggestion for extra power on the Sax. Looks like your battery would last about as long as a pair of 9v L-ion's. I guess the only benefit is that you can recharge your pack. Sorry for the thread jack.

Have you put your battery under a load to see how long it lasts?
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2004, 05:06:24 PM »
Sorry 'bout that -- this battery is a 5.3 ah (5,300mah) battery, under the load required by a ua5, it lasts around 8-10 hours.  I suspect a pair of these would power a 'Sax for a REAL long time.  http://data.energizer.com/batteryinfo/application_manuals/9v_lithium.htm shows the energizers to be around 1,200mah apiece.  So, if 10 hours per set of energizers, figure 30 hours per charge easily from a pair of these.


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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2004, 05:48:49 PM »
i love the Energizer Lithium 9v.  i consistantly get about 13hrs. on my mv100 (85mA draw) on a pair w/phantom power on.

when the "Low Battery" light comes on the mv100, i save the used 9v (discharged to roughly 7.5v) and i use three of them for the battery box i made. it holds three 9v totalling 22.5v, so i can use the DC plug for the mv100, which accepts 18-24v.  for an all-day festival stealthing, i'll run the battbox.

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2004, 09:48:24 PM »
is there a part number?
I am about to be out by the local Radio shack. I figured I could check....
but it is a mom and pop store and the service is kinda slack.




quess I could have answered my own question
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actually, I think they have one that is much shorter and only 1 Female end, and ready for solder on the other.
but either will work.



also, My local Walmart had about 7 of these units in stock...and I live in Bumfreak as well.
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2004, 12:31:56 AM »
wal-mart for the most part doesnt control what items they get, the 'lead' walmart send them to every store in hopes they will sell them all, and mostly they do :)so each walmart has no control what they get, its called POS, and they just ship it(can ya tell i used to work there ;))

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2004, 02:37:44 PM »
I bought one of these DVD battery packs today at Walmart.
It looks like a great back saver, since I've been carrying lead around to power my Mini-Me and DAT decks.
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2004, 05:34:35 PM »
I bought one of these DVD battery packs today at Walmart.
It looks like a great back saver, since I've been carrying lead around to power my Mini-Me and DAT decks.

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2004, 09:07:37 PM »
I'm psyched!
I want to hook it up after it charges and do tests to see how long it'll run all my stuff.

How long will this thing last? How many re-charges will it take.
Should I really store it in the fridge?
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #29 on: October 16, 2004, 10:49:02 PM »
i havent been storing it in my fridge, as ive been using mine quite reguarly. but if i dont have a show for a week or two i will most likely store mine in the fridge at full charge. i always stored my valence in the fridge when i had it

i cant remember the current draw of the mme for the life of me... hook it up and run it!

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2004, 01:49:36 AM »
for those still in need of one of these puppies (and i HIGHLY recommend) i just found one cheap on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15055&item=5725796351&rd=1

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2004, 01:57:05 AM »
DAMN and an even cheaper one!

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2004, 02:01:01 AM »
i will end up getting another one here shortly just to have an extra, just in case. those are good prices on Ebay!

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2004, 09:03:44 AM »
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5725780334

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2004, 12:20:25 PM »
it also says in the text that the battery is in the box, working properly but is missing the cable to connect it to your dvd player. no biggie for our purposes cuz none of us use that cable anyway.

BUT i did a little reseach and im pretty sure this model is a 7.2v.

im thinkin about buyin it just for the car adapter they say it includes. would that charge my 9v walmart one?

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2004, 07:26:29 PM »
I tested the run-time on the 9v 5400 mAh Model RB-270 battery I bought at Walmart.
I ran an Apogee Mini-Me with phantom power "on" connected to my Studio Projects C-4's plus powering my Denon DTR-80p running tape for 4.5 hours. Almost as soon as I started running, the first green light went out, indicating below 75% charged. At 1.25 hours the second green light went out indicating below 55% charged. At 4.25 hours the third light went out indicating below 30% charged. At approx. 4.5 hours both the Mini-Me and the DAT deck shut off.

This is great news to me. I can record almost any show using the RB-270 to power my whole rig.
Next, I want to test it using my Josephsons microphones, to see if that makes any difference.

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2004, 07:28:13 PM »
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2004, 12:44:28 PM »
One weird things is, when my LiON is charging the red charge LED blinks green and red partway through.
Does anyone else notice that on their battery when it's charging?
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2004, 10:53:17 PM »
is this thing really that much smaller than a 6V ecocharge? Looks like about the same size, not sure if I will be saving any significant space by using this thing over my trusty ecocharge battery. Any thoughts?

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2004, 01:02:36 AM »
is this thing really that much smaller than a 6V ecocharge? Looks like about the same size, not sure if I will be saving any significant space by using this thing over my trusty ecocharge battery. Any thoughts?

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The 9v lithium is about 2/3 the size of the 6v.  Comparing to a 6v 7Ahr SLA battery (not the ecocharge, just a battery), the length and height are about exactly the same -- 6" x 3.6" (an ecocharge with the plastic top will be even larger).  The width of the lithium is only about 0.9" compared to the 6V SLA at about 1.35". 

The big saving will be the weight though.  The SLA is about 3 pounds, the lithium only 10 or 12 ounces.  The real world capacity of these is fairly close, but the SLA probably has around 10% more.  SLA capacity goes down fairly significantly at high current draws, probably 10 or 15 percent.  I don't think lithiums suffer from this problem.  So with an 850ma to 1000ma draw, the 7.0Ahr SLA will only have about 6.0Ahr, compared to the 5.4Ahr lithium.

Of course, for those people who would need a 12v SLA rather than a 9v lithium (eg, for a UA5 say), there will be much bigger savings for the lithium.

Anyway, all that said, I'm withholding judgement until I can put the lithiums through the paces.  I've bought a few to replace my SLAs.  Pretty much had to -- I had 2 of my 4 SLAs die recently, reached their maximum cycle life.  Found out the hard way (dying prematurely at a show) that the SLAs had reached the end of their life and were no longer holding a full charge.  Now I don't trust my remaining two SLAs which I got at more or less the same time (and have been rotating all 4 for use in my rig).  So for now, I'm running the lithiums exclusively.  We'll see how many shows/cycles they last.

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2004, 09:21:39 AM »
Yup, Todd is right.
I used to haul 12v SLA's. Trust me, haul that weight, sucked!
Now I travel light with the LiION. Like Todd, I still have the SLA's around just in case a problem with the LiION arises.
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2004, 10:44:56 PM »
Would it be in the camera department or what?
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #42 on: December 02, 2004, 10:45:38 PM »
at every wal-mart here it is in the electronics dept. right next to the portable dvd players

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« Reply #43 on: December 02, 2004, 10:47:18 PM »
at every wal-mart here it is in the electronics dept. right next to the portable dvd players

same here
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2004, 01:40:43 PM »
Would it be in the camera department or what?

The walmart lion battery is next to the portable dvd players.
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2004, 03:45:55 PM »
you might wanna try ebay and search for "memorex dvd battery" (a tip from dklein in another thread)  same battery more or less and i got one today for $25 buy it now and it comes with a car charger - awesome for festivals.


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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2004, 03:53:39 PM »
i saw those last night. dop they have the same sized output jack? i bet they are the same exact thing, just rebranded....

hopefully they have the same output jack,a dn il go ahead and order one

i saw one without a charger, just the batt only for buy it now 15 last night

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« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2004, 03:55:55 PM »
i saw those last night. dop they have the same sized output jack? i bet they are the same exact thing, just rebranded....

hopefully they have the same output jack,a dn il go ahead and order one

i saw one without a charger, just the batt only for buy it now 15 last night

i think i asked the seller about that one and its a 7.2 v. be careful, the memorex comes in 7.2 and 9 and many sellers dont specify, so ask.

you might wanna try ebay and search for "memorex dvd battery" (a tip from dklein in another thread)  same battery more or less and i got one today for $25 buy it now and it comes with a car charger - awesome for festivals.

yep i got one for 20 shipped, w/ charger great fuckin deal

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2004, 04:12:22 PM »
7.2 V would be fine for me. the v3 is good from 6-12v. and the difference in voltage doesnt change the runtime much at all in this instance

im gonna have to grab one of those memorex packs!

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2004, 04:21:33 PM »
silly picky UA-5 running on 9v...

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #50 on: December 03, 2004, 04:22:19 PM »
I've been using a 7.2v one for several shows now to power my V3.  Works great so far, powers the V3 for 4 hours or more and still shows several LEDs of juice left.  I just picked up another Li-ion, this time 9v, but haven't tried that one out yet.
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #51 on: December 03, 2004, 04:36:06 PM »
silly picky UA-5 running on 9v...

it will run on 7.2 no problem

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« Reply #52 on: December 03, 2004, 04:45:00 PM »
oh really... hmmm... oh well, ive got 2 9v's now, im set

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« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2004, 04:45:54 PM »
i know of one person who is def running his ua5 on 7.2v rc packs (johnw)

i think it will run on 6-12v

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« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2004, 06:08:44 PM »
i'm pretty sure all of those batteries are the same thing.  just different dimensions on occasion and rebranded.  Mine should be here next week hopefully, i'll let you know if you want to wait.  they also have the initial (wallyworld) ones on ebay too, but the prices were higher.  but if you got one of those you could probably still take it back to walmart if it stopped working.


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« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2004, 07:35:07 PM »
Would it be in the camera department or what?

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #56 on: December 07, 2004, 01:51:23 AM »
the memorex ones are identical to the ones you buy at wallmart.  only difference is the label sticker on the top.

just got my meorex today, its only a 7.2v tho, not a 9v, but its the same battery for the most part.  and i have a car charger for it now.


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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #57 on: December 07, 2004, 11:28:13 AM »
the memorex ones are identical to the ones you buy at wallmart.  only difference is the label sticker on the top.

just got my meorex today, its only a 7.2v tho, not a 9v, but its the same battery for the most part.  and i have a car charger for it now.

I dunno why, but I just bought another one too.  Guess it's always good to have a backup, and I couldn't pass up the ebay price of $20 for a brand new one. ;)
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #58 on: December 23, 2004, 06:38:48 PM »
Anybody do a test (hours) of the 9v 5400 mah powering both the UA-5 and the JB3?  So far I only saw one test:f 4.5 hours - V3 > DAT deck.  Thanks and Merry Christmas.

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« Reply #59 on: December 23, 2004, 08:13:18 PM »
Anybody do a test (hours) of the 9v 5400 mah powering both the UA-5 and the JB3?  So far I only saw one test:f 4.5 hours - V3 > DAT deck.  Thanks and Merry Christmas.

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« Reply #60 on: December 24, 2004, 01:06:31 PM »
Thanks Chuck.  T+ for the info. 

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #61 on: December 24, 2004, 08:24:43 PM »
FWIW, I ran for three hrs with this WM 9vLi at three green lights to power my UA5 and my JB3 in wav record mode.  I missed the exact time that it went "dark" but I can say that there was very little time between two green and one.  I might estimate 5 hrs at full charge running these two devices.

+T to BC for bringing this 9v to light.


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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #62 on: January 13, 2005, 11:32:39 PM »
the memorex ones are identical to the ones you buy at wallmart.  only difference is the label sticker on the top.

just got my meorex today, its only a 7.2v tho, not a 9v, but its the same battery for the most part.  and i have a car charger for it now.

went to Walmart and purchased on of the rb-270 model (9v 5400mAH). charged it overnight and measured the voltage in the morning....7.73volts.  hmmmm... strange... so i called up Initial Technology in california and spoke to a techy.  the verdict is that they're ALL "7.2v" models. they don't have one that outputs 9v contrary to their packaging claim!!

personally, the lesser voltage is not a big deal to me since i'll simply use this to run the Bumblebee JBOX.  just wanted to pass this info along.

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« Reply #63 on: January 14, 2005, 12:48:55 AM »
hmm, that is interesting

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #64 on: January 16, 2005, 08:49:27 PM »
the memorex ones are identical to the ones you buy at wallmart.  only difference is the label sticker on the top.

just got my meorex today, its only a 7.2v tho, not a 9v, but its the same battery for the most part.  and i have a car charger for it now.

went to Walmart and purchased on of the rb-270 model (9v 5400mAH). charged it overnight and measured the voltage in the morning....7.73volts.  hmmmm... strange... so i called up Initial Technology in california and spoke to a techy.  the verdict is that they're ALL "7.2v" models. they don't have one that outputs 9v contrary to their packaging claim!!

personally, the lesser voltage is not a big deal to me since i'll simply use this to run the Bumblebee JBOX.  just wanted to pass this info along.

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Marc, I just bought a model rb-270 from Wal*Mart and it measures 9.08 V right out of the box.  I'll bet that they mislabeled some of them.
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #65 on: January 17, 2005, 01:14:37 PM »
the memorex ones are identical to the ones you buy at wallmart.  only difference is the label sticker on the top.

just got my meorex today, its only a 7.2v tho, not a 9v, but its the same battery for the most part.  and i have a car charger for it now.

went to Walmart and purchased on of the rb-270 model (9v 5400mAH). charged it overnight and measured the voltage in the morning....7.73volts.  hmmmm... strange... so i called up Initial Technology in california and spoke to a techy.  the verdict is that they're ALL "7.2v" models. they don't have one that outputs 9v contrary to their packaging claim!!

personally, the lesser voltage is not a big deal to me since i'll simply use this to run the Bumblebee JBOX.  just wanted to pass this info along.

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Marc, I just bought a model rb-270 from Wal*Mart and it measures 9.08 V right out of the box.  I'll bet that they mislabeled some of them.

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #66 on: January 29, 2005, 10:11:53 PM »
Has anyone actually run the charging port on this battery from a 12 V automotive system by plugging into the car's cigarette lighter jack?  I know that the AC recharger adapter is rated at 12 V @ 1A, but automotive 12 V is more like 13.8V.  It might go as high as 14.8 V while your car's alternator is recharging the battery.

Does anyone know whether the AC charging adapter provides regulated 12 V or is it just rectified and filtered AC from a step-down transformer?

It would sure be nice to be able to just plug this battery into your car's cigarette lighter jack to recharge it.
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« Reply #67 on: January 29, 2005, 10:14:52 PM »
Has anyone actually run the charging port on this battery from a 12 V automotive system by plugging into the car's cigarette lighter jack?  I know that the AC recharger adapter is rated at 12 V @ 1A, but automotive 12 V is more like 13.8V.  It might go as high as 14.8 V while your car's alternator is recharging the battery.

Does anyone know whether the AC charging adapter provides regulated 12 V or is it just rectified and filtered AC from a step-down transformer?

It would sure be nice to be able to just plug this battery into your car's cigarette lighter jack to recharge it.

My memorex battery (same as the walmart, i got it off of ebay) came with a car charger that appears to provide a direct connection to the cigarette lighter - no voltage regulation or anything like that.  I haven't tried to use it yet, but since it came with the battery I assume it should work fine. ;)
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #68 on: January 30, 2005, 12:35:32 PM »
My memorex battery (same as the walmart, i got it off of ebay) came with a car charger that appears to provide a direct connection to the cigarette lighter - no voltage regulation or anything like that.  I haven't tried to use it yet, but since it came with the battery I assume it should work fine. ;)
So, you've measured the resistance through the connectors at both ends of the cable and it appears to be just wires?  Many cigarette lighter plugs have voltage regulators built into them, but it's usually not obvious that there is.  One telltale sign is an LED that lights up when you plug the cigarette lighter plug into the 12 V socket.  Usually that means that there is a voltage regulator involved.

I know that people say that the Memorex batteries are the same as the batteries from Walmart, Initial model RB-270, but has anyone hooked their RB-270 directly up to 12 V automotive power with the car running?

The reason I'm raising the question about whether the Memorex batteries are actually same as the RB-270 is that I know how the Asian electronics market is.  Often you get different designs packaged in the same plastics.  The resulting products may be functional equivalents of each other (performing the same function with similar or at least adequate performance), but with all of the various suppliers for these batteries, my bet is that not all of them are completely identical.  If there was going to be a difference, it would most likely be in the electronics that control the charging of the batteries.  There's a very wide array of battery charging solutions for Li-ION batteries, especially in the area of fast charge controllers. Trickle charge controllers are usually just a current limiter, often not much more than a series resistor coming from some slightly higher voltage than the charge termination voltage of the battery.  I'm assuming that the RB-270 has a mid-tier charging controller since it takes 6 to 8 hours for a full charge.  That's faster than a trickle charge, but it's not exactly a quick charger either.  What's the charging time on the Memorex batteries?
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #69 on: January 30, 2005, 09:16:06 PM »
sparke! - just checked the car adapter that came with my Memorex (batt measures 9.1v)

-no resistance
-current flows in both directions (no safety / diodes)

Also, the switching adapter that came with is 12v, 1A

So the battery pack itslef does voltage regulation along with the charge cycle routine.
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« Reply #70 on: January 30, 2005, 10:37:43 PM »
charger for memorexes is identical to the one that comes with the walmart (as are all accessories, but the car adaptor obviously). if i use one adaptor to charge both my batteries (one walmart, one memorex) then why wouldnt both work on the car charger as well.

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« Reply #71 on: January 30, 2005, 11:08:10 PM »
OK, I did some lab work this afternoon.  Here's what I found:

The AC charging adapter for the RB-270 puts out exactly 12 Vdc and very little AC ripple when the output is not under any load.  When you start charging the battery, it drops to about 11.25 Vdc with about .3 Vac ripple.

The battery's unloaded output voltage drops from about 9 Vdc to about .7 Vdc when the battery charger plug is inserted into the battery.  So, the battery cannot be used while it's being charged.  That means if you are covering a festival where the music lasts for more than about 9 hours, you'll need 2 batteries and you'll need to charge one of them while you use the other one.

I'm thinking of using a 3 terminal regulator and a couple of capacitors inside a 12 V cigarette lighter plug's housing to drop the automotive 12 Vdc (actually 13.8 Vdc to 14.8 Vdc) down to real 12 Vdc.  Linear Tech's LT1086CT-12 with a couple of 10uF tantalum caps  looks like it would do the job.  It looks like the RB-270 might draw as much as 750 mA charging current.  If the input voltage was 14.8 Vdc, that'd be a little over 2 W of power that the regulator would have to dissipate.
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #72 on: January 30, 2005, 11:49:56 PM »
what exactly are you concerned about?  Do you think it doesn't work or will generate too much heat?  The lab work is great but this isn't DIY - it's a commercially available product and we're talking about using the accessories that come with it.  I really don't think manufacturers screw around with Li-Ion batteries (like using a resistor as a charging strategy). 

And if you build your own regulator, after dropout voltage you may not have enough to charge properly depending on which car!  Confused...
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« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2005, 09:50:20 AM »
What I'm concerned about is whether or not the Memorex batteries are identical to the Walmart batteries (Initial RB-270).  If they are, then I'd agree that it would make sense that a simple 12 V automotive plug to type M (5.5 x 2.1 mm) power plug adapter cable would do the trick.   However, if the Memorex batteries use a different charge controller than the Walmart batteries, then it might not be so good an idea.  The cigarette lighter adapter cable does not come with the Walmart batteries and I have already built a DIY cable for it.  I just don't know whether it's safe to use the cable yet.

On the subject of regulator dropout, that LT1086CT-12 only has a 1.5 V dropout voltage, so that allows delivery of  regulated 12 V from a 12  V automotive system whose fully charged voltage ranges between 13.8 Vdc and 14.8 Vdc, depending on whether or not the vehicle is running at the time.  When charging the Walmart battery, the AC adapter pulls down a bit to 11.25 V.  Taking into account the 1.5 V dropout voltage, that implies that unless your vehicle's battery voltage drops to less than 12.75 Vdc, using the LT1086CT-12 would be no problem.

If you are worried about the dropout voltage taking that voltage too low for the charger to work, then you have to ask about whether the Memorex cable would work on a car battery with a dead cell or that had been run down, trying to start a car.

I guess it comes down to a question as to which is worse, "overvoltaging" the battery's charging port (with unregulated automotive 12V) or undervoltaging it (when your car's battery gets low).  Or is either one a problem?  I wouldn't even raise the question if the Walmart battery was supplied with a cigarette lighter plug adapter cable.
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2005, 11:03:15 AM »
On the subject of regulator dropout, that LT1086CT-12 only has a 1.5 V dropout voltage, so that allows delivery of  regulated 12 V from a 12  V automotive system whose fully charged voltage ranges between 13.8 Vdc and 14.8 Vdc, depending on whether or not the vehicle is running at the time.  When charging the Walmart battery, the AC adapter pulls down a bit to 11.25 V.  Taking into account the 1.5 V dropout voltage, that implies that unless your vehicle's battery voltage drops to less than 12.75 Vdc, using the LT1086CT-12 would be no problem.

Not sure what vehicle or battery you have but I have yet to measure a non-running vehicle to much above 12.70 except just after charging when there is surface charge present. But that charge is gone pretty fast when you start drawing current. But a quick test would tell you in an instant what to expect. The draw is about the same as the roof lamp right? 


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« Reply #75 on: January 31, 2005, 02:16:17 PM »
Doh! Yes, that's right.  12.8 V is what I should have said.  That's a freshly charged, new automotive battery.  13.8 V is the average voltage between 12.8 V and 14.8 V.  I guess that's why most car audio equipment is specified at 13.8 V.

And you are correct that it quickly draws down from there.  My car is about 12.3 V with the dome light on and not running.  When the car is running, the charginng peaks go to 14.4 V and the average voltage while being charged is around 14.25 V.

It looks to me like the thing to do is just use an adapter cable without a regulator and just resign myself to charging the Walmart battery while the car's not running. (That means no charging during the road trip, I guess.)  Either that, or get a dedicated 12 V battery to use as a recharging source at the festival and make sure it's charged up ahead of time.
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #76 on: January 31, 2005, 03:18:06 PM »
It looks to me like the thing to do is just use an adapter cable without a regulator and just resign myself to charging the Walmart battery while the car's not running. (That means no charging during the road trip, I guess.)  Either that, or get a dedicated 12 V battery to use as a recharging source at the festival and make sure it's charged up ahead of time.

One idea is to look into DC-DC converters. TI has a whole range of complete ones available through DigiKey.  I imagine one of them would fit the bill. (You might be forced to boost beyond 12 though and "pluck" it down with that 1086 of yours).


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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #77 on: January 31, 2005, 05:37:18 PM »
The cigarette lighter adapter cable does not come with the Walmart batteries

aha - that's the key piece of info I was missing.  I thought they came packaged the same.  thanks (and I really think you'll be OK)
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #78 on: February 01, 2005, 12:16:14 AM »
Another FYI:  The charging circuit in the battery seems to pull about 700 to 800 mA while charging from the AC adapter.  If it takes 8 hours to charge a battery, that's 6400 mAh from a 12 V source (about the same as 77 Watt hours).  So, if you are covering a festival with 16 hours of music per day, you'll need a 12 V battery with about 13 Ah of capacity per day (about the same as 155 Watt hours per day).  A small ATV or motorcycle battery does about 50 Ah, so that'll get you 3 and probably 4 days worth of power.  If you went with a small marine battery, that would get you about 100 Ah for a little over a week's worth of power for recharging the 9 V LiION battery.
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #80 on: February 02, 2005, 12:11:12 AM »
Will a li ion battery like the one at the begining of this thread power a DAT?
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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2005, 04:39:14 PM »
i ran my wal mart 9v down to 1 light on the mytek stereo192 last week.  it ran for about 3.5 hours.  i wonder how much more time i could have gotten



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« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2005, 04:55:13 PM »
i recently bought a adaptaplug Y cable and another B tip so i can switch between my 2 on the fly...or if i ever needed 14 continuous hours of recording...

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #83 on: February 09, 2005, 08:42:37 PM »
i recently bought a adaptaplug Y cable and another B tip so i can switch between my 2 on the fly...or if i ever needed 14 continuous hours of recording...

But what would happen if you had them both plugged in at the same time?  I don't know much about batteries and stuff, but I would think that could lead to a "BOOOOOM" situation. ;)

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« Reply #84 on: February 09, 2005, 10:16:07 PM »
i was assured that in parallel, there would be no boom, and sure enough, when i tested it works :)

i should up some pics of my ua5 with the 2 batts stacked on top with velcro attachments, its puuuurday soooo much power :P

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #85 on: February 10, 2005, 01:21:04 AM »
i recently bought a adaptaplug Y cable and another B tip so i can switch between my 2 on the fly...or if i ever needed 14 continuous hours of recording...
I've been thinking about doing this but with a couple of NiMh 9.6v I have.  Than I was talking to the guys at my local battery shop, one thought for some reason the capacity of the lower would limit that of the higher.  Like if one of the batteries was only half charged.  I was thinking you could just add the MAh together.  ???   What do you know?

And another NiMh queastion on this Lithium thread...
batteryspace.com has a battery on their site under the DVD secion, it is labeled 9.6 v.  But, it only has seven 1.2v cells.  So, this battery has to be only 8.4v.  This is the best deal I've found for my ua5 power.  It is 4000mah for $40  and each one you buy comes with a fast smart charger.  My question is if the ua5 will run off the 8.4v?  caymanreview said that it can, just wondering if there have been any tests with one of these 7.2v lithiums?

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #86 on: February 10, 2005, 08:51:16 AM »
i recently bought a adaptaplug Y cable and another B tip so i can switch between my 2 on the fly...or if i ever needed 14 continuous hours of recording...
I've been thinking about doing this but with a couple of NiMh 9.6v I have. Than I was talking to the guys at my local battery shop, one thought for some reason the capacity of the lower would limit that of the higher. Like if one of the batteries was only half charged. I was thinking you could just add the MAh together. ??? What do you know?

not really sure, some one who knows batterys better should know though...

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And another NiMh queastion on this Lithium thread...
batteryspace.com has a battery on their site under the DVD secion, it is labeled 9.6 v. But, it only has seven 1.2v cells. So, this battery has to be only 8.4v. This is the best deal I've found for my ua5 power. It is 4000mah for $40 and each one you buy comes with a fast smart charger. My question is if the ua5 will run off the 8.4v? caymanreview said that it can, just wondering if there have been any tests with one of these 7.2v lithiums?
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ua-5 should be fine one 7.2 - 12(?) volts is what ive heard, but ive only ran it on 9.6...there are better deals on batteries than what you mentioned. i got a li-ion, the memorex one, for $25 shipped...

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Re: 9 volt Lithium Ion battery
« Reply #87 on: February 10, 2005, 07:21:02 PM »
and im not 100% sure, but i believe you can add mah's together no matter what size they are, or if they are diff mah's :)
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