Topic: Nomad 3 battery getting rare

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

I could only find 1 on EBAY and its in the UK, 10 bidders already...

None availabel through Amazon...

So I was forced to use Creative themselves...

$60.67!!!

Good friggin' God!!!

It'll be worth it though when I have 2 decks running full time at shows...

Terry
(now with 2 Nomad 3s)

[Tony B]

...I trust that $60.67 came without lube for your anal cavity? 

That's insane.

[Swampy]

Damn, maybe I should have kept the one I just sold... Hope they dont go bad

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

...I trust that $60.67 came without lube for your anal cavity? 

That's insane.

Read Icculus...

My battery is half the price I paid for the player itself!!!

I need to take the beeyatch to a Battery store and see if there is a compatible phone battery or something...

I can't believe Creative would make a unique battery - its gotta be a copy of something else...

T

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

Damn, maybe I should have kept the one I just sold... Hope they dont go bad

Now you know why I wanted it!!!

T

[Swampy]

haha, sorry man!

[twatts (pants are so over-rated...)]

haha, sorry man!

Za-Kool

T

[Sanjay]

I just picked up second NJB3 from another msgboard for $105 shipped with two batteries, the only reason I bought it was for the two batteries.  Thats how hard they are to get

[The Kilted Taper]

Was that $60 for 1 battery or 2? I thought Creative had them for around $30, or maybe that was just in my dreams?! 

They better be coming up with a great replacement for the JB3!!!!

[Ray76]

Yeah im buyin a JB3 off of Tim(phishintime) , hes givin me two batteries with it.I had no idea they were that hard to come by. Course, hell ,I dont know a lot anyway.
Ray

[thierryhenry]

Isn't a new battery from Creative $50?

Or am I still mistaken?

[caymanreview]

Isn't a new battery from Creative $50?

Or am I still mistaken?

like 60 after shipping!

[Kindguy]

i ran my jukebox off an external 4.5 batt made for portable CD players the other night. it was 25 bucks out the door. If my batteries fail I'll go that route.

[Kindguy]

here it is. http://www.pwrplant.com/cd.html

[kfrinkle]

i jsut bought my second jukebox from creative labs (refurb).... now i also have to get another battery, but I am waiting till i get this one to make sure that the battery i get form them is still good.  for my first jukebox, i got 2 batteries, but that was when they were in low demand...

[alienbobz]

i ran my jukebox off an external 4.5 batt made for portable CD players the other night. it was 25 bucks out the door. If my batteries fail I'll go that route.

Did you buy that directly from Power Plant or somewhere else? Looks good. Probably will need that for a show next week (about 6 hours). Also, did you have to buy the charger seperately (some websites said charger sold seperately)? Any help would be great.

[jimmc]

here it is. http://www.pwrplant.com/cd.html

Have you done any testing to see how long it will run the JB3?  Just curious.
That thing looks like a great find.  I was ready to try to rig something up from the Wally World battery this weekend, but this looks easier, and mayb cheaper.
Thanks,  +T
Jim

[vwmule]

yeah, can you provide more detail about that Power Plant battery? I'm considering plunking down $60 for one from Creative just to get it over with. But the external you found looks good. How did it work?

[Ed.]

yeah, did you have to mod anything or was it just plug and play?  i'm curious too.  that could be handy for bigger shows.

[caymanreview]

i think those are plug and play

there is a link to them around here somewhere

[caymanreview]

creative has taken the jb3 batts totally off thier pages now. they were out of stock,a nd must have found/got a few last week, then they said they were out of stock untill i checked today and they are not listed on the site anymore

[Chris K]

really....i found some...and it says in stock

http://us.creative.com/shop/shopcategory.asp?category=213&.

[caymanreview]

damn, they took them off thier normal list. i was on the list to be emailed when they came back in stock

oh well. im ordering for a friend in norway... but i need to get his order in now i guess

[sickrick43]

Ordered 2 batteries, a faceplate kit (mine flew off riding the bike the other nite), and the wired remote...

Rick

[caymanreview]

i ordered 4 for someone else, and a faceplate kit for mine. finally not gonna have that same ole blue faceplate

[Roamer]

Thanks, caymanreview ! You have been helpfull ! 

[thierryhenry]

Any info on that PowerPlant battery pack? Looks interesting.

Thanks.

[Ed.]

i don't think so, but i sent kindguy a pm so hopefully i'll get some info soon.

[musicsherlock]

i ran my jukebox off an external 4.5 batt made for portable CD players the other night. it was 25 bucks out the door. If my batteries fail I'll go that route.

here it is. http://www.pwrplant.com/cd.html

Found this on the sites FAQ:
I need a specific battery size, can Innergy Power help?
We will work with you to design a battery for your specific application.

Who wants to draw up the specs for our External JB3 Festival battery?

[caymanreview]

so i ordered a few for Roamer. they came in a huge UPS box with those 2 small batteries just floating around inside. absolutley no packing whatsoever

worst shipping ever?

[silverbullet]

i ordered 4 for someone else,

I just ordered two myself. It was either one or two batteries. It didn't give me an option to purchase more than two batteries. I guess I'll have to pay another $7.50 in shipping for more batteries. 

[caymanreview]

thats exactly what i had to do

i should ahve just called them,. cause i ordered 4 batts, and a leather case for someone else (roamer) and a set of faceplate kits for myself

did they come in an unruley huge box just floating around in there?

[sickrick43]

Agreed, the Creative Store is getting WEIRD...

Here's WEIRDER STILL...  I bid on a refurb JB3 from the EBay store in August (instant sale), and then change my mind and don't give them my CC & shipping info.  Then I order 2 batteries, faceplate kit and remote last week.  I get a ship notice and tracking number for the JB3 ORDER from the EBay store, but my account on the Creative Store says the batts/etc shipped under the SAME TRACKING NUMBER...

I can only IMAGINE what the fuck is arriving on the 13th, in a 1.5lb package...

Rick

[JackoRoses]

so i ordered a few for Roamer. they came in a huge UPS box with those 2 small batteries just floating around inside. absolutley no packing whatsoever

worst shipping ever?

you have awful luck with ppl shipping you your goods man 

[Sanjay]

Agreed, the Creative Store is getting WEIRD...

Here's WEIRDER STILL...  I bid on a refurb JB3 from the EBay store in August (instant sale), and then change my mind and don't give them my CC & shipping info.  Then I order 2 batteries, faceplate kit and remote last week.  I get a ship notice and tracking number for the JB3 ORDER from the EBay store, but my account on the Creative Store says the batts/etc shipped under the SAME TRACKING NUMBER...

I can only IMAGINE what the fuck is arriving on the 13th, in a 1.5lb package...

Rick

Same thing happened with me with an ipod case company, needless to say I had a very expensive bunch of ipod cases given to me for free.   

[caymanreview]

so i ordered a few for Roamer. they came in a huge UPS box with those 2 small batteries just floating around inside. absolutley no packing whatsoever

worst shipping ever?

you have awful luck with ppl shipping you your goods man 

it isnt necessarily people i have a problem with, it is business's. ive never had an actual person to person sale have anything shipped remotely like the last 2 packages ive gotten (V3 and jb3 batts)

[silverbullet]

My first refurbished JB3 came packaged nicely. I'll let you know about my next JB3 and batteries when I get them next week or so. I need to order some faceplates to help distinquish my JB3's, might as well get some batteries along with it.

What is so useful about the wired remote?

[Roamer]

so i ordered a few for Roamer. they came in a huge UPS box with those 2 small batteries just floating around inside. absolutley no packing whatsoever

worst shipping ever?

Thanks for the order. That's weird from Creative. I have seen large box when ordering CDs, but usually they fill in with paper / polystyrene / ...
Worst shipping I've seen so far is from Nuclear Blast Germany for the 'One Ltd Ed Box' from Nightwish. The CD was loosely fix to the bottom of the snowing ball, therefore getting all king of scratch during transport, plus the heavy snowing ball was damaging the displaying box ...
Back to the subject, would be interesting to see how long the PowerPlant external battery can power the jb3 for festival time ...

[Ed.]

i pm'd kindguy about it, but never got back with me *shrug*

[sickrick43]

What is so useful about the wired remote?

I'm hoping it can be used to start/stop recordings, and just to see if the thing is running while recording (as I already know it doesn't show levels).  Mine runs behind a V3 always, so I don't care about levels - but the way my rig sets up, if I put it in a bag, I can't see the JB3 - so it'd be nice to be able to start it, lock it, and just see the track time as it's rolling.

If that doesn't work, I'll make an extension for it, wire it to the dashboard of my Electra Glide, and mount the JB3 in the TourPak instead of velcro'ing it to the gas tank console...

Rick

[kfrinkle]

you know... i was always wondering about the wired remote... can it show you if you are recording or not?  that would kick some serious ass.  I personally never have to worry about levels either, and it would be great to justlook at the wired remote to see what is going on as well...

[Ed.]

some info from kindguy - the battery plugs right into the jb3 and it powers it up no problem.  he wasn't sure how long it'd last, but he figured it was around 10 hours from his experiences with it. 

so one of these with 2 internals will probably easily get you 15 hours.  and the fact that they're only $15 - i'll take two!  way better than buying internals if you ask me, especially if you don't need to stealth it really.  and if you its the same size as a cd case, which isn't that bad.

[F.O.Bean]

some info from kindguy - the battery plugs right into the jb3 and it powers it up no problem.  he wasn't sure how long it'd last, but he figured it was around 10 hours from his experiences with it. 

so one of these with 2 internals will probably easily get you 15 hours.  and the fact that they're only $15 - i'll take two!  way better than buying internals if you ask me, especially if you don't need to stealth it really.  and if you its the same size as a cd case, which isn't that bad.

hmmm, lets get testing, if this works out, im gonna buy about 4 of em, maybe five, tahts still under 100 dollars

[Ed.]

yeah, considering the price of the internals now, this thing is badass.

[F.O.Bean]

dumb question, but how do you recharge that powerplant battery?

it says off your components charger, but how would it charge if the jb3 ac charger is in? where would the powerplant powerplug go?

[Tony B]

Those eexternal batts look pretty nice..and for that price, a heckuva deal! I just ordered one, and will put it to the test once it hits my door.

[F.O.Bean]

nevermind, answered my own question

it just doest show the best pics of it

[Ed.]

heh, i dunno, i never even thought of that.

[silverbullet]

I'm hoping it can be used to start/stop recordings, and just to see if the thing is running while recording (as I already know it doesn't show levels).  Mine runs behind a V3 always, so I don't care about levels - but the way my rig sets up, if I put it in a bag, I can't see the JB3 - so it'd be nice to be able to start it, lock it, and just see the track time as it's rolling.

If that doesn't work, I'll make an extension for it, wire it to the dashboard of my Electra Glide, and mount the JB3 in the TourPak instead of velcro'ing it to the gas tank console...

Rick

Hmmm, a JB3 will show levels if you updated the firmware.

Let us know if the remote has a record button, if it shows levels and is backlit. Then I would consider getting a remote for my needs. I can see how it could be useful in a car perhaps but mine just sits next to me in the passenger seat for now.

[JackoRoses]

I think I am going to get one of these lenmar rechargeables
http://www.cybergiftcenter.com/applications/search/itemdetails.asp?oid=21&sku=CL-DVDU9&mpn=DVD-U9
9 volt 6600 mah should be good for well over 3 hours powering a v3 and jb3.
They want about 63$ for one. A little more then the ebay memorex ones. But I have only found the 7.2 volt batteries here in the last day. What do you guys think? I have not been to our walmart yet to look
yet, I will head out this weekend and see what they might have in stock.

[Ed.]

that battery is the same battery as the initial brand walmart one, the memorex ones, and any other portable dvd battery that i've seen.  just rebranded.  you should search "dvd battery" or "portable dvd battery" on ebay.  i'm sure you could find one for about $40 cheaper...or at least go to walmart and get the $50 one thats the exact same thing.  unless you want to throw away money.

seriously tho, the memorex one i bought, althought its only 7.2v is the same exact size, shape, everything, the only difference is the sticker says "memorex" other than "initial" - and the lenmar looks to be the exact same.  save your money for other fun taping stuff is my advice.

[JackoRoses]

A little more then the ebay memorex ones. But I have only found the 7.2 volt batteries here in the last day.

Yes 40$ cheaper and 7.2 volts. I am going to keep a eye out for the memorex 9 volt that are the same price as the 7.2's.  I don't care about name on the label.
They all are made by the same plant I am sure... The lenmar does have a cool decal though 

[Ed.]

well the initial brand ones at walmart should be 9v and are only $50.  the 7.2v will have no problem with the v3, it should power it 4-5 hours from what i hear.

edit: but if you want to run both, i dunno how long it'll go or if it'll work.

[JackoRoses]

well the initial brand ones at walmart should be 9v and are only $50.  the 7.2v will have no problem with the v3, it should power it 4-5 hours from what i hear.

edit: but if you want to run both, i dunno how long it'll go or if it'll work.

I believe it was mmmatt who posted a thread and a lot of others showing some really good info on how to power our gear in the field off of these.
One lead off the battery that splits out to feed a cig lighter adapter for the jb3 and another lead for the v3.  That may all change of course if beans test is a good one and I think (leegeddy (sp))
makes more of his devices. (sorry don't recall the conversation now)
I figure a 9 volt  6600 mah should be good for at least 6 hours for both devices?

[F.O.Bean]

well, all i will be doing is wiring 3-4 rc batts in parallel and splitting the power to bothunits, actually marc will prolly be doing most everything but testing times

i cant wait to get that going

[keepongoin]

the internal batteries are not as rare as some folks thought they were, apparently...

http://www.nomadness.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=13245&sid=2d7a9778c666e02462cc667be631d10f

[drufus]

+T goin
i was starting to worry about my new recorder

[Tony B]

Well, just got one of those Power Plant Cd batteries, and CANNOT get it to properly power up the JB3. Screen won't go past the "EAX" start-up. Perhaps it's the fact that the battery is 3-4.5 Volt out?

Dunno...I'm open to suggestions before I box these bad boys up and send em back....

[jpschust]

so i ordered a few for Roamer. they came in a huge UPS box with those 2 small batteries just floating around inside. absolutley no packing whatsoever

worst shipping ever?

coulda been worse.  you could have gotten 6k ft of coax cable.

[caymanreview]

so i ordered a few for Roamer. they came in a huge UPS box with those 2 small batteries just floating around inside. absolutley no packing whatsoever

worst shipping ever?

coulda been worse.  you could have gotten 6k ft of coax cable.

very true!

[F.O.Bean]

Well, just got one of those Power Plant Cd batteries, and CANNOT get it to properly power up the JB3. Screen won't go past the "EAX" start-up. Perhaps it's the fact that the battery is 3-4.5 Volt out?

Dunno...I'm open to suggestions before I box these bad boys up and send em back....

my jb3 has always ran fine on 4.5v

does it power up normal when not using the power pack?

[Tony B]

Whoops. too much bad acid for me, I guess. I hadn't fully charged up the batteries out of the box. 

I'm such an idiot sometimes. I'll charge em up and let you guys know how long these things work. I'm pretty sure it'll be in excess of 8 hours....

[caymanreview]

right on! keep us updated..

[F.O.Bean]

+T for your efforts, please keep us updated

[Tony B]

NP guys. At first blush, these things are really lightweight...thin as a CD case, and as light as one, too. There's a slightly shorter plug that attatches to the JB3, but that's no biggie, I guess. I'll keep y'all updated.

+T

[caymanreview]

hopefully this shite pans out

[F.O.Bean]

yeah no doubt

[Ed.]

running at festivals is gonna get a whole lot easier.

[caymanreview]

running at festivals is gonna get a whole lot easier.

def would, and waaay cheaper than a bunch of internals

[Ed.]

yep, and lighter than carrying lead.

[bagtagsell]

any news tony?

[caymanreview]

yep, and lighter than carrying lead.

thats one thing i wont do, is carry lead. i havent done it for sooo long, im not about to do it now

[Ed.]

i've honestly never did it, so i can't really talk.  i've always gotten off easy thanks to this site.

+t ts.com  hehe.

[ChrisV]

Yeah, these things fully charged should have no problems at all with the JB3....the only forseeable problem would be as they discharge they get to a certain point where the voltage it too low for the JB3 and it shuts down with some juice still left in the batteries.   But that is the way it'll work with all rechargable batteries, so you can't have it both ways...I think this way is better than the other way around.   Be very intested to see how much run time you get from these.

[sickrick43]

Yeah, these things fully charged should have no problems at all with the JB3....the only forseeable problem would be as they discharge they get to a certain point where the voltage it too low for the JB3 and it shuts down with some juice still left in the batteries.   But that is the way it'll work with all rechargable batteries, so you can't have it both ways...I think this way is better than the other way around.   Be very intested to see how much run time you get from these.

The KEY to this is getting some warning BEFORE the JB3 goes dead.  With the wally & lead, you have some visual indications.  Aproxximating runtime from a dry-run at home, doesn't give me any comfort level.  With a second set of internals, I've got 10hr's min on the JB3, and 2 wallys give me the same (minimum) on the V3 - which is as good as my 2 EC-90 boat anchors, at some 15 pounds lighter.  Then again with ALL batteries, I've got about 20 hrs of record-time without even seeing a wall-wart.

Rick

[Tony B]

Sorry for the delay guys...the batteries are at my shop, and I'm out of town now...no results until next week. Oh, and sickrick, I can understand your trepidition re: absolute shut-down time, but I'm really just looking for a ballpark. When I tape, I'm not really in the habit of running my battery power down to the last ounce of juice. It'd be nice to know that for a fraction of the price, one is able to get roughly the same runtime as two internal batteries.

Caveat, folks--all tests will be conducted with an Amstel Light firmly in hand.

Talk to you in a few.

TB

[Ed.]

Caveat, folks--all tests will be conducted with an Amstel Light firmly in hand.

woot +t for the amstel light.  i drank like 12 of those last saturday night...and 6 white russians...and 1 long island...and 2 sierra nevadas...and 2 blue moons...and....open bars at weddings kick ass.

drinking crown tonight

[caymanreview]

drinking crown tonight

where is the puking icon when you need it? that shit make me puke if i even small it.

yagermiester for me tonight 

[krebsy]

where is the puking icon when you need it? that shit make me puke if i even small it.

yagermiester for me tonight 

That shit *always* leads to pure craziness where I'm from.  Get some cuties to hang out with and feed 'em that stuff.  Guaranteed good times!!

[musicsherlock]

Been there...done that...

[Ed.]

no puking for me last night.  but i was extremely messed up.  no hangover this morning either makes life wonderful.  i think i figured out the way to never have a hangover - keep two nalgenes full of water beside your bed and drink both of them thru the night. 

[caymanreview]

yager for me last night, no hangover at all good stuff

[jimmc]

Since I'm only getting 2hrs 10mins on 2 JB3 batts, I went ahead and ordered the Power Plant batt yesterday. When I get it, I'll also run a test for max record time. I taped a new Zydeco band from Ithaca, NY last night and my JB3 batts died w/ about 3mins left in the encore. 
Hopefully this new batt cures all.
Jim

[caymanreview]

how old are those batts? you should get waaaay more runtime than 2:10!!! something is wrong there. do you have your backlight turned to go off in 3 secs? that could be a factor

i ran mine on 2 internals last night that have been used countless times, and i still had 3 bars left after 2 sets of 1:15+...

[jimmc]

how old are those batts? you should get waaaay more runtime than 2:10!!! something is wrong there. do you have your backlight turned to go off in 3 secs? that could be a factor

i ran mine on 2 internals last night that have been used countless times, and i still had 3 bars left after 2 sets of 1:15+...

Both batts are a year old.  something is really wrong w/ them. I had no problems at all until about a month ago. I taped a moe. show, and still had 2 bars.  I even listened to it on the way home from the show, and the next day at work.  I charged them again, took them to tape some local stuff, and they died out on me. I thought something must be wrong, but hoped it was a one time thing.  It wasnt.  Full charges only get me about 2+hrs now.  I've tried cycling the batts, but nothing worked.
Oh, I turn the backlight completely off, IR sensor is off, volume down to zero... everything necessary.
I bought my JB3 re-furbished, maybe the batt that came w/ it was junk.  The other was bought new from an online retailer.  Like I said, no problems until last month.
Hopefully the Power Plant batt will solve it, and I wont have to deal w/ it anymore.
Jim

[ChrisV]

Shit, I somehow pulled slightly over 3 hours off one internal battery last night LOL...I was getting really worried towards the end of the set ;p    I normally have 2 in but had another JB3 setup at soundboard.

[caymanreview]

man, your batts must be total shit then. i ran mine 3.5hrs with the backlight on 5 (i think) and the volume up, and checked it periodically by turning on the backlight. never lost a bar

these batts are exclusive to the jb3 i think, thats a shame cause they probably wont supprt replacement of a faulty item cause they are "discontinued"

what sucks is payinh 60+ each for these fuckers now! that is just insane

[sethro]

I was brain storming ideas about JB3 external power with a friend the other day and he came up with an interesting idea.  He noticed that the internal batteries have four contect points (not just one positive and one negative).  He postulized there may be some circut in the battery that signals the JB3 when the voltage gets too low leading to "graceful shutdown".   What if one gutted an old dead battery found the circut ,connected a female plug to it and the male end to an external battery.  In essence turning an internal battery into a plug-in for an external battery.  Would the JB3 "see" the external as an internal battery?  Is this even worth the time of tearing apart a battery?   

PS.  This is my first post to TS.  A big thanks to everyone here and at the shows for the knowledge and support.   

[spyder9]

Sethro, dude, you said "postulized."  Welcome to TS.  T+

[thierryhenry]

Any other news on the Powerplant External?

We know:

It can be charged through the JB3 (like Bean said), but Tony is testing the maximum time? I am very happy to have it even with running 2 internals, I'd guess 10-15 hours, with this bad boy? I'd like to get it as an x-mas present, anything else you can think of against it? Thanks.

[F.O.Bean]

id love to have some info on this thing too

[thierryhenry]

Yeah seriously

[jimmc]

Any other news on the Powerplant External?

We know:

It can be charged through the JB3 (like Bean said), but Tony is testing the maximum time? I am very happy to have it even with running 2 internals, I'd guess 10-15 hours, with this bad boy? I'd like to get it as an x-mas present, anything else you can think of against it? Thanks.

Mine will arrive on XMas Eve.  Probably wont have time to do any testing until after the weekend though.
Hopefully someone else will post some results before I get around to it.
Jim

[thierryhenry]

Thanks.

[John Kelly]

So these powerplant batteries work 100% then, right?  I think I'm going to order at least one, it'd be nice to feel comfortable recording all night without worrying about battery life.

[bluegrass_brad]

I was brain storming ideas about JB3 external power with a friend the other day and he came up with an interesting idea.  He noticed that the internal batteries have four contect points (not just one positive and one negative).  He postulized there may be some circut in the battery that signals the JB3 when the voltage gets too low leading to "graceful shutdown".   What if one gutted an old dead battery found the circut ,connected a female plug to it and the male end to an external battery.  In essence turning an internal battery into a plug-in for an external battery.  Would the JB3 "see" the external as an internal battery?  Is this even worth the time of tearing apart a battery?      

This is exactly how i had an external battery for my Casio DA-7, and How my freind ran his panasonic portable.  Gutted battery, soldered wires to the connections in the battery shell.  Ran those wires out to an external battery pack made up of D and C cells, and away we went. Worked great.  Due to that experiance I also have wondered this about the JB3.  I see no reason why it wouldnt as long as you came up with the correct voltage. That is why we used D and C combinations with the DA-7.  I think Leonard from (I cant think of his company right now, but he made external batt packs and stealth mics for DATs back in the day) made both my pack and my buddies Panasonic pack. My buddies for his panasonic was a standard SLR though. + T to ya

[Tony B]

Well, I dunno, fellas....

Ordered two batteries and a charger, charged the batt up overnight (as per the instructions), and still can't get it to run either of my two JB3's. Both units freeze up at the "EAX" screen and won't do anything after that. I wish I had better news for ya...

Seeing as how both JB3's run fine when I plug them into their "normal" AC power source, I'm at a loss (and about ready to just ship these batteries back).

As it stands, I'm open to suggestions, but at first glance these batts aren't going to work (YMMV, I suppose...we all know that every JB3 has its own quirks, but to have TWO not respond to the battery is a bit disconcerting).

I'm off to do XMAS crap, then gone to Amsterdam for New Year's. Have a great one, all, and good luck! See ya in '05....

TB

[John Kelly]

Well, I dunno, fellas....

Ordered two batteries and a charger, charged the batt up overnight (as per the instructions), and still can't get it to run either of my two JB3's. Both units freeze up at the "EAX" screen and won't do anything after that. I wish I had better news for ya...

Seeing as how both JB3's run fine when I plug them into their "normal" AC power source, I'm at a loss (and about ready to just ship these batteries back).

As it stands, I'm open to suggestions, but at first glance these batts aren't going to work (YMMV, I suppose...we all know that every JB3 has its own quirks, but to have TWO not respond to the battery is a bit disconcerting).

I'm off to do XMAS crap, then gone to Amsterdam for New Year's. Have a great one, all, and good luck! See ya in '05....

TB

Do you have the internals in as well? 

[thierryhenry]

Thanks for the update, we will be eager to hear how these work out.

[bagtagsell]

Do you have the internals in as well?

hmmm from using jb3 battery soultions, that would be the problem I would think.  JB3 just pulls too much power on start up for the batteries to handle it.  However the specs look good to run it just fine, post start up

[F.O.Bean]

wheres the specs?

does it list a current rating for the battery?

the jb3 on startup i believe sucks 1500mah, and lowers signifigantly after startup

[thierryhenry]

wheres the specs?

does it list a current rating for the battery?

the jb3 on startup i believe sucks 1500mah, and lowers signifigantly after startup

Bean did you order some of these badboys yet? Or are you holding off until we get official word on if/how long they work for?

[jimmc]

I charged my Power Plant batt overnight last night. This morning before I left for work, I plugged it into the JB3 to see if it would go past the Creative and/or EAX screens.  It did make it past both and I was able to toggle through the menus.
I was not able to do any testing yet, but hope to soon. 
Anyway, looks like (as far as my instance goes) the Power Plant batt powered up my JB3 with no problem.  I also like that idea that someone had of trying the internals to power up the unit, then switching to the Power Plant batts. That should work if someone is having problems getting past the startup screens.
Jim
Hopefully more info to come......

[thierryhenry]

First of all, did you charge the Powerplant Battery through your Jb3, or did you buy the seperate charger sold on their site to charge it?

Secondly, did you have your internal Jb3 batteries in when you powered up the Jb3 with the powerplant batteries?

This is good news, hopefully more to come. Thanks alot +T.

[John Kelly]

I charged my Power Plant batt overnight last night. This morning before I left for work, I plugged it into the JB3 to see if it would go past the Creative and/or EAX screens.  It did make it past both and I was able to toggle through the menus.
I was not able to do any testing yet, but hope to soon. 
Anyway, looks like (as far as my instance goes) the Power Plant batt powered up my JB3 with no problem.  I also like that idea that someone had of trying the internals to power up the unit, then switching to the Power Plant batts. That should work if someone is having problems getting past the startup screens.
Jim
Hopefully more info to come......

That's all I needed to hear for me to order one.  Thanks and +t.

[thierryhenry]

I charged my Power Plant batt overnight last night. This morning before I left for work, I plugged it into the JB3 to see if it would go past the Creative and/or EAX screens.  It did make it past both and I was able to toggle through the menus.
I was not able to do any testing yet, but hope to soon. 
Anyway, looks like (as far as my instance goes) the Power Plant batt powered up my JB3 with no problem.  I also like that idea that someone had of trying the internals to power up the unit, then switching to the Power Plant batts. That should work if someone is having problems getting past the startup screens.
Jim
Hopefully more info to come......

That's all I needed to hear for me to order one.  Thanks and +t.

Josh, does that mean you can run this with having two internal's in? Or just run your internals until they are about dead, have this bad boy ready and charged, then plug it in? Also, I forget if this was mentioned before but does the JB3 charge the Powerplant Battery; or do you haev to buy the charger from the site? Thanks.[/font]

[John Kelly]

I charged my Power Plant batt overnight last night. This morning before I left for work, I plugged it into the JB3 to see if it would go past the Creative and/or EAX screens.  It did make it past both and I was able to toggle through the menus.
I was not able to do any testing yet, but hope to soon. 
Anyway, looks like (as far as my instance goes) the Power Plant batt powered up my JB3 with no problem.  I also like that idea that someone had of trying the internals to power up the unit, then switching to the Power Plant batts. That should work if someone is having problems getting past the startup screens.
Jim
Hopefully more info to come......

That's all I needed to hear for me to order one.  Thanks and +t.

Josh, does that mean you can run this with having two internal's in? Or just run your internals until they are about dead, have this bad boy ready and charged, then plug it in? Also, I forget if this was mentioned before but does the JB3 charge the Powerplant Battery; or do you haev to buy the charger from the site? Thanks.[/font]

I dunno who Josh is, but I'll take a stab at those questions.   I plan on running it with no batteries in for most shows, and for longer all day type shows I'll have everything in.  I assume that the JB3 sees it as just being plugged into the wall, so if you have a partially charged battery in the jb3 the powerplant will be used to recharge it = bad idea.  If you're going to run both be sure to have everything fully charged.

And on their site they say you can recharge it with the jb3 ac adapter.

[thierryhenry]

I charged my Power Plant batt overnight last night. This morning before I left for work, I plugged it into the JB3 to see if it would go past the Creative and/or EAX screens.  It did make it past both and I was able to toggle through the menus.
I was not able to do any testing yet, but hope to soon. 
Anyway, looks like (as far as my instance goes) the Power Plant batt powered up my JB3 with no problem.  I also like that idea that someone had of trying the internals to power up the unit, then switching to the Power Plant batts. That should work if someone is having problems getting past the startup screens.
Jim
Hopefully more info to come......

That's all I needed to hear for me to order one.  Thanks and +t.

Josh, does that mean you can run this with having two internal's in? Or just run your internals until they are about dead, have this bad boy ready and charged, then plug it in? Also, I forget if this was mentioned before but does the JB3 charge the Powerplant Battery; or do you haev to buy the charger from the site? Thanks.[/font]

I dunno who Josh is, but I'll take a stab at those questions.   I plan on running it with no batteries in for most shows, and for longer all day type shows I'll have everything in.  I assume that the JB3 sees it as just being plugged into the wall, so if you have a partially charged battery in the jb3 the powerplant will be used to recharge it = bad idea.  If you're going to run both be sure to have everything fully charged.

And on their site they say you can recharge it with the jb3 ac adapter.

Thanks JOHN!

+T.

[jimmc]

First of all, did you charge the Powerplant Battery through your Jb3, or did you buy the seperate charger sold on their site to charge it?

Secondly, did you have your internal Jb3 batteries in when you powered up the Jb3 with the powerplant batteries?

This is good news, hopefully more to come. Thanks alot +T.

First, I charged the Powerplant batt by plugging the JB3 AC power cord directly into the Powerplant batt.  The JB3 was not used at all for the charging.

Second, In my initial power up test, I did NOT have any internal batts in the JB3.  The JB3 proceeded past the Creative and EAX screens as it would when using internal batts or external AC power.

Also, to expand on what was mentioned about the internals being used w/ the Powerplant, I was thinking you could use the internals to startup the JB3, then plug in the Powerplant batt, then remove the internals.  But.... this would only need to be done in a case like someone else had where the JB3 wouldnt start up using the Powerplant batt.  Mine worked just fine to start it up, so I probably wouldnt even use my internal batts anymore.
I hope to do some record time tests soon, but not sure of my schedule this week. Also, I will look for some specs on the Powerplant batt. Nothing major on the website, but maybe some of the literature that came w/ the batt will list more details.  I'll let you guys know on that one later tonight.
Jim

[thierryhenry]

Let the feeding frenzy on these begin!

Thanks!

[John Kelly]

My order has been placed.

Edit - Hot damn!  $25 express shipping and $11 standard shipping.

[thierryhenry]

I might try to win another NJB3 off Ebay sometime soon, but i am definitely gonna buy this thing. I think Jb3 external power has been solved. Thanks Powerplant.

[bhtoque]

Also, to expand on what was mentioned about the internals being used w/ the Powerplant, I was thinking you could use the internals to startup the JB3, then plug in the Powerplant batt, then remove the internals.  But.... this would only need to be done in a case like someone else had where the JB3 wouldnt start up using the Powerplant batt.  Mine worked just fine to start it up, so I probably wouldnt even use my internal batts anymore.

In all the testing I've done, the JB3 locks up if you change power sources while it is running. You can put in a 2nd internal but you can not switch from internal to external or vice versa mid stream.

IMHO, your best purchase is Creative's car adapter kit. It is way cheaper than their batteries and you can run the jb3 on a 12v sla or 9v nimh. You can always hack a generic adapter, but the creative one has been 100% flawless for me through 2 festival seasons.

JAson

[thierryhenry]

What about these Powerplant batteries? I think they are a simple easy solution over internals and even the car adapter? Wouldn't you agree?

[aberg]

From what I've gathered talking to Leegeddy, I think the best approach is to use a VR Jbox since you can get exactly 5v input, and it is versatile in the sense that any battery can be used with it as well as provided pass through power to a pre or anything else.

[JackoRoses]

The VR J box looks rather nice.
I would like to see a version using a adaptaplug type deal.
Nothing I run will be using xlr power connectors.
I think it's safe to say the days of the SLA are numbered.
Li-ion is cheaper and lighter. XLR has one thing going for it
power wise, they can lock in place.

[aberg]

Yeah, I was thinking the adaptacable version would be pretty nice since I also don't have any power connectors with 4pin XLR ends on them, but the locking feature is nice. Are there pics of such a JBox around? I've only heard talk of it.

[leegeddy]

Yeah, I was thinking the adaptacable version would be pretty nice since I also don't have any power connectors with 4pin XLR ends on them, but the locking feature is nice. Are there pics of such a JBox around? I've only heard talk of it.

it's here:

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=29230.msg414526#msg414526

as far as using adaptaplug, you can still use it. the 4pin xlr is the connection TO/FROM the JBox.

marc

[aberg]

Oh, ahaha, I missed that picture when I read through that thread earlier. That thing looks really professional and tidy. I'm achin' to get a quote on that project... I also checked the walmart site and it says they're portable dvd battery is 7.2v but others on the board have been saying it's 9v... what's up with that?

[JackoRoses]

Yeah, I was thinking the adaptacable version would be pretty nice since I also don't have any power connectors with 4pin XLR ends on them, but the locking feature is nice. Are there pics of such a JBox around? I've only heard talk of it.

it's here:

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=29230.msg414526#msg414526

as far as using adaptaplug, you can still use it. the 4pin xlr is the connection TO/FROM the JBox.

marc

Yes , so you need to go xlr>adaptaplug right? or vice versa..
That is what I would rather not even bring into the equation.

[aberg]

Well, considering those boxes are built with XLR connectors set into them, you pretty much can't get around it. That is what I didn't realize before.

[John Kelly]

Oh, ahaha, I missed that picture when I read through that thread earlier. That thing looks really professional and tidy. I'm achin' to get a quote on that project... I also checked the walmart site and it says they're portable dvd battery is 7.2v but others on the board have been saying it's 9v... what's up with that?

7.2 at Walmart.  The Memorex ones on ebay are usually 9v.

[caymanreview]

7.2 at Walmart.  The Memorex ones on ebay are usually 9v.

my local wal-mart ONLY has 9v models

[John Kelly]

7.2 at Walmart. The Memorex ones on ebay are usually 9v.

my local wal-mart ONLY has 9v models

Weird.  Mine are all 7.2.  Although the last time I checked was around 6 months ago...  I wonder if the 7.2s were just an older version?

[jimmc]

Also, to expand on what was mentioned about the internals being used w/ the Powerplant, I was thinking you could use the internals to startup the JB3, then plug in the Powerplant batt, then remove the internals.  But.... this would only need to be done in a case like someone else had where the JB3 wouldnt start up using the Powerplant batt.  Mine worked just fine to start it up, so I probably wouldnt even use my internal batts anymore.

In all the testing I've done, the JB3 locks up if you change power sources while it is running. You can put in a 2nd internal but you can not switch from internal to external or vice versa mid stream.

IMHO, your best purchase is Creative's car adapter kit. It is way cheaper than their batteries and you can run the jb3 on a 12v sla or 9v nimh. You can always hack a generic adapter, but the creative one has been 100% flawless for me through 2 festival seasons.

JAson

Yep, you are right.  It does lock up when removing the internal batts. I didnt realize that.
+T
Jim

[jimmc]

I'm running a recording test right now w/ the JB3 being powered by the Power Plant external batt. 
I'm running analog-in on the JB3, feeding a show I recorded on my MD recorder a while back. This was done so I could monitor the recording time w/ the time elapsed on the MD to make sure the running clock kept up OK. So, basically I'm going MD (headphone out) > JB3 (analog-in @ .wav 44.1kHz.)
I'm only 10mins into it, but it seems to be just fine so far.
One strange thing is that the icon that appears on the lower left corner of the JB3 screen that displays either the battery meter or the "plug" showing external power, is showing the "plug" for external power, but it blinks on and off every 10 seconds or so. This doesnt seem to have any effect on the recording so far though. Strange......
I'm going to let this run for a full 3hrs (max on the JB3) and see what happens.  If the first 3hrs goes by w/o a problem, I'll try another 3hrs again tomorrow night.
Everyone cross your fingers.
Jim

[jimmc]

Well, the test didnt go well.  The Powerplant batt didnt even make it a whole hour. I just came in to check on it, and it was stuck on the Creative start-up screen. It didnt save anything that was being recorded during the test either. Oh well, looks like I might end up returning the Power Plant batt.
Next try will be the RS adapter mod show in the JB3 external power II thread.
Sorry for the bad news, I thought we were onto something good.
Jim

[F.O.Bean]

+T for your efforts at least bud

wait till the 'bumblee vr regulator' boxes get going, im gonna start testing them immediately

[jimmc]

+T for your efforts at least bud

wait till the 'bumblee vr regulator' boxes get going, im gonna start testing them immediately

+T back at ya.
Thanks Bean, keep us up to date on that.
Jim

[caymanreview]

+T for your efforts at least bud

wait till the 'bumblee vr regulator' boxes get going, im gonna start testing them immediately

same here, im gonna be testing the exact same thing as you bean

[John Kelly]

Well, the test didnt go well.  The Powerplant batt didnt even make it a whole hour. I just came in to check on it, and it was stuck on the Creative start-up screen. It didnt save anything that was being recorded during the test either. Oh well, looks like I might end up returning the Power Plant batt.
Next try will be the RS adapter mod show in the JB3 external power II thread.
Sorry for the bad news, I thought we were onto something good.
Jim

Fuckin a.  Good thing I ordered one today.

[aberg]

Where are you guys getting these boxes to test?

[bagtagsell]

lee is makin them.  look back at the first page there is a diagram.

[thierryhenry]

This sucks, I am sorry to hear this John, thanks for all your help in testing Jimmy. I thought all our problems were solved.

[caymanreview]

Where are you guys getting these boxes to test?

my good buddy, who actually posted a pic of his boxes in this thread. i just happen to be a regular customer of his

[F.O.Bean]

Where are you guys getting these boxes to test?

my good buddy, who actually posted a pic of his boxes in this thread. i just happen to be a regular customer of his

and ive been talking to marc about these for about 2 months now myself

[caymanreview]

it was a great idea whoever thought of it. i cant wait to get mine and test her out

il have an extra 6v out, for times like the past month when i had Daryan's mmp, and i didnt have a power supply for it. then when im not, il always have an extra 6v w/ a 4pin output in the section, id be willing to bet that thing will save someone's ass fairly often when they have power issues

[John Kelly]

I dunno if anyone still cares, but I got my PowerPlant battery and I'm going to run my own tests on it.  So far it powers the jb3 just fine and I don't get a blinking power icon.  So I'll try recording with it later and see how it works.

[jimmc]

I dunno if anyone still cares, but I got my PowerPlant battery and I'm going to run my own tests on it.  So far it powers the jb3 just fine and I don't get a blinking power icon.  So I'll try recording with it later and see how it works.

Please John, keep us up to date. I havent sent my Power Plant batt back yet, so if it works for someone else, I'd rather sell it to another taper in need than send it back to the company. Let us know.
Good luck, +T
Jim

[thierryhenry]

I dunno if anyone still cares, but I got my PowerPlant battery and I'm going to run my own tests on it.  So far it powers the jb3 just fine and I don't get a blinking power icon.  So I'll try recording with it later and see how it works.

Thanks John.