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Re: Dither/resampling/temp file tests in Wavelab
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2005, 11:54:56 AM »
Next test.  This was a verification of workflow that i had been using with 24/96 files in wavelab.  Here's what i was working with.  Built to Spill show from may, taped 140>722 @ 24/96 with 2 gig file splits.  Resulted in 2 files.  File 1 is 57mins, 40secs, file 2 is 52mins, 49 secs.  I opened up file number 1, then inserted file number 2 at the end using wavelab's edit > insert audio file > at end function.  files lined up properly.  attempted to process files in this fashion at 16bit temp, 24bit temp and 32 bit float temp settings.  results:

-with temp file set at 16 bit, was able to resample entire show from 96khz to 44.1 khz, creating a full set 24/44.1 file.  I did not attempt to save at this point, but that should not be a problem.  I then was able to dither the entire set to 16 bit using the UV22HR algorithm.  i was thus left with a 16/44 full set file that was saved directly using the "save as new file" option in the dither dialog.  at no point did wavelab choke on the 2 gig file size limit, despite the fact that the open window contained close to 4 gigs of data (2 gig file with 1.8 gig file inserted at end and the entire thing processed in place).

-with temp file set at 24bit, I was able to perform the same processes.  wavelab again did not choke on the 2 gig limit.

-with temp file set at 32 bit float, wavelab choked on the 2 gig limit and processing was abandoned.

-I again compared the files created under 16 bit and 24 bit temp files, and the entire sets were once again identical.

So, the important result to me is that wavelab will process consecutive 24/96 files that are loaded into the same window using the edit  > insert audio file > at end function, so long as you stay at 24bit temp files or 16 bit temp file.  it will not deal with 32 bit float files.  This suggests to me that the best workflow is the following:

-set wavelab at 24 bit temp files
-set 722 to 2 gig auto split
-open 2 gig first chunk
-insert next chunk using insert audio file function
-edit beginning and end of set to cut out crowd noise or whatever
-insert fades
-resample entire thing to 44.1
-dither entire thing to 16bit outputting directly to a new file
-track in cdwav

this obviously doesn't deal with creating 24/96 tracks, but to do that, all you need to do, is line up the wavs as above.  after adding fades, drop generic markers where you want the splits to be, then go with Tools > Auto Split > at markers...follow the prompts and save the individual files directly. 

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Re: how to create tracks in wavelab?
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2005, 12:05:41 PM »
Good thread, gotta re-read this one to absorb, but did want to comment on this question from Ray:

Does the "align on sector boundaries" tool in flac frontend work at all??

AFAIK it works fine.  However, you want to be very careful about which files you open and encode when using that option - never turn that option on if you are encoding 2 sets worth of files in 1 go!  If there is a SBE at the end of set 1, this option will shift the split by borrowing samples from the beginning of set 2.  This could be audible when it's done.  You are much better off encoding the sets in 2 separate batches if you want to use FLAC Frontend to remove SBE's.

My understanding is that SHNtool is the same way - when fixing SBE's, you should really do that 1 set at a time.  Let the software pad SBE's at the end of set 1 with zeroes rather than shifting from set 2.

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Re: how to create tracks in wavelab?
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2005, 12:09:19 PM »
Good thread, gotta re-read this one to absorb, but did want to comment on this question from Ray:

Does the "align on sector boundaries" tool in flac frontend work at all??

AFAIK it works fine.  However, you want to be very careful about which files you open and encode when using that option - never turn that option on if you are encoding 2 sets worth of files in 1 go!  If there is a SBE at the end of set 1, this option will shift the split by borrowing samples from the beginning of set 2.  This could be audible when it's done.  You are much better off encoding the sets in 2 separate batches if you want to use FLAC Frontend to remove SBE's.

My understanding is that SHNtool is the same way - when fixing SBE's, you should really do that 1 set at a time.  Let the software pad SBE's at the end of the set with zeroes rather than shifting from set 2.

-Brad

Thanks Brad. +T BTW...where does everyone buy the plugin that Damon Mentions???Ive seen a lot of folks mention it, but where is the best place to purchase it.?
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Re: Dither/resampling/temp file tests in Wavelab
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2005, 12:20:26 PM »
which plugin are you referring to, ray? 

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Re: Dither/resampling/temp file tests in Wavelab
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2005, 12:37:53 PM »
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Re: Dither/resampling/temp file tests in Wavelab
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2005, 12:43:09 PM »
sorry didn't mean to harsh your mellow brah

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Re: Dither/resampling/temp file tests in Wavelab
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2005, 12:44:04 PM »
sorry didn't mean to harsh your mellow brah

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Re: Dither/resampling/temp file tests in Wavelab
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2005, 12:49:51 PM »
which plugin are you referring to, ray? 

the L1 maximizer

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Re: Dither/resampling/temp file tests in Wavelab
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2005, 12:51:22 PM »
which plugin are you referring to, ray? 

the L1 maximizer

i see...i have the Waves Gold plugins set and it was contained within that...there are a number of different plugin sets available and i believe they work in wavelab and the other audio applications.

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Re: Dither/resampling/temp file tests in Wavelab
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2005, 12:52:32 PM »
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Re: Dither/resampling/temp file tests in Wavelab
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2005, 12:53:22 PM »


i see...i have the Waves Gold plugins set and it was contained within that...there are a number of different plugin sets available and i believe they work in wavelab and the other audio applications.

yup--waves gold will work in a number of other audio programs...basically anything that uses vst.

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Re: Dither/resampling/temp file tests in Wavelab
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2005, 12:53:42 PM »
this is kinda confusing this morning :smoking:

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Re: Dither/resampling/temp file tests in Wavelab
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2005, 12:55:44 PM »
team pittsburgh strikes again. >:D

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Re: Dither/resampling/temp file tests in Wavelab
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2005, 12:56:04 PM »


i see...i have the Waves Gold plugins set and it was contained within that...there are a number of different plugin sets available and i believe they work in wavelab and the other audio applications.

yup--waves gold will work in a number of other audio programs...basically anything that uses vst.



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