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Offline Datfly

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Brief loss of Amplification? = Sample included
« on: September 06, 2014, 12:22:23 PM »
Good solid music then a complete drop of amplification is the only way I can describe it.
There is also a second of two of static a few seconds after the "power" returns.

This happened twice in a recording I made last night and I trying to determine the cause if possible.
Fresh batteries in the M10 & the Tinybox was fully charged.
Nothing was jarred during recording and no other notable problems occurred except for this as the 40 & 120 minute marks.
Checked set up afterwards and all connection are tight. The M10 of course was already unhooked though.

Schoeps MK41 - NBobs - Tinybox 2.2 - M10

Thanks for any thoughts.

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Re: Brief loss of Amplification? = Sample included
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2014, 05:15:33 PM »
If the tiny was set on mid gain, I'd guess this is a switch failure as the gain change is exactly one step (15dB).  You should probably return the box for switch replacement.

Jon,

Actually I was on the low setting as I was very close to the speakers. Levels were peaking just under -12
M10 was set at 8

Should I still send it in to be checked?

Thanks,
Michael
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Re: Brief loss of Amplification? = Sample included
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2014, 02:28:13 PM »
Does sound like it could be one of the switches on the M10 getting bumped. I tape down the gain switch so it stays in manual and one or two other switches which I never want to change. Those are easy to move going in and out of a pocket. The gain wheel has never given me trouble.

Any chance that could be it?
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Re: Brief loss of Amplification? = Sample included
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2014, 07:47:22 AM »
Does sound like it could be one of the switches on the M10 getting bumped. I tape down the gain switch so it stays in manual and one or two other switches which I never want to change. Those are easy to move going in and out of a pocket. The gain wheel has never given me trouble.

Any chance that could be it?

The M10 was locked down and not touched or moved for the entire performance.

I have since found a few other spots that the same thing happened. Some are smaller in length then the sample.
I will try my back-up M10 & hope that solves it.

Michael
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Re: Brief loss of Amplification? = Sample included
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2014, 09:05:10 AM »
Michael...how are you?  Glad to see you're out taping again.

I can't listen or view your sample at work.  If you lose signal completely, then maybe it's a card read/buffering error. 

Is your card almost full with other music?
Have you re-formatted your card lately?
Is your card a slow card?
Do it have any bad sectors?
Do other cards exhibit the same issue in this M10?

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Re: Brief loss of Amplification? = Sample included
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2014, 11:56:41 AM »
Good solid music then a complete drop of amplification is the only way I can describe it.
There is also a second of two of static a few seconds after the "power" returns.

This happened twice in a recording I made last night and I trying to determine the cause if possible.
Fresh batteries in the M10 & the Tinybox was fully charged.
Nothing was jarred during recording and no other notable problems occurred except for this as the 40 & 120 minute marks.
Checked set up afterwards and all connection are tight. The M10 of course was already unhooked though.

Schoeps MK41 - NBobs - Tinybox 2.2 - M10

Thanks for any thoughts.

That sounds to me like the effect you get in the rear speakers of a Hafler Quadraphonic system.

That could be caused by a bad connection on the common ground of the feed between the Tinybox and the M10. Have you tried a different link cable ?.

It could also be a cracked soldered joint on the output socket of the Tinybox, the line in connector of the M10, or a worn connector that has become a little loose.

Try gently moving the cable near to the connectors while making a test recording, and see if you can reproduce the fault. You should be able to hear the change in level if you monitor on headphones plugged into the M10.



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