Topic: 480 vs. 414XLS vs. JWmod460's

[keepongoin]

i think we may get to run 414>m148>sbm1 this next weekend...

I wasn't terribly impressed with the 414>V3 tape I made at Newby's last week.  That maybe had to do with the fact that i ran hypers - the low end just wasn't there, and during the show, the bass was shaking my guts.

i had no time to get the 483s and the other V3 before the show... maybe at col. bruce/codtalkers this weekend.

[spreadheadtom]

we can either do the 148> sbm1 or wmod UA5 this weekend (if it gets here). (it's up to Andy--i'll be out of town) i don't care what you guys might say about the wmod "muddying" things up. i think it might be just fine 


 Tommy





is "muddying" even a word?

[keepongoin]

the plan -

instead of dealing with live performance issues, how about i get the V3s, 148, smb-1, w-mod UA5 and all the mics we want to run... then i test them out at home, playing my stereo into every possible combination with the same song. 

this may be the most organized thing we can do... certainly the most controlled environment.

we can get the following

2 sets 480s
2 V3s
1 set neumann 184s
1 set TLs
1 set 414s
m148
sbm-1
w/ mod UA5...

maybe a set of schoeps, a V2, and an AD2K, if we can get ahold of jerrod.

i grabbed the dead 5/25/72 show - it may be perfect to record that UJB > wharf rat with every possible set up... it is sooooo nice.

[sygdwm]

get in touch w/ callery and you can possibly use his eggleston's and schoeps.

[spreadheadtom]

the plan -

instead of dealing with live performance issues, how about i get the V3s, 148, smb-1, w-mod UA5 and all the mics we want to run... then i test them out at home, playing my stereo into every possible combination with the same song. 

this may be the most organized thing we can do... certainly the most controlled environment.

we can get the following

2 sets 480s
2 V3s
1 set neumann 184s
1 set TLs
1 set 414s
m148
sbm-1
w/ mod UA5...

maybe a set of schoeps, a V2, and an AD2K, if we can get ahold of jerrod.

i grabbed the dead 5/25/72 show - it may be perfect to record that UJB > wharf rat with every possible set up... it is sooooo nice.

this sounds like fun....I'll bring my drinking mug  

[keepongoin]

we can do this one night this week or something...

i have never met callery, but using his playback set up would kick the crap out of mine.

[sygdwm]

you guys dont exactly share any common interests music-wise.

[keepongoin]

yeah maybe that is the case- but he was at the oxford yonder show... i saw the Nagra V sitting there... i just have not met him.

also - i am pretty open to lots of different music... i will give anything a try... can't say that i like everything.

[sygdwm]

he makes it to just about every show in oxford for sure.

[keepongoin]

i avoid oxford, mostly... it is too many college kids running wild for me to deal with...

even the SBD tapes from YMSB have tons of chattiness on them. 

[spreadheadtom]

... i just have not met him.

 

remind me next time and I'll introduce him to you.  he's not as big of an asshole as me  

[keepongoin]

... i just have not met him.

 

remind me next time and I'll introduce him to you.  he's not as big of an asshole as me 

that kind of goes without saying 

[jnorman34]

hi bean - i'm late on this thread, but wanted to throw in my 2 pennies.  i love both c480s and 414s, and on many applications really can hardly hear the differences in controlled studio applications.  that said, the multiple patterns of the 414 can come in very handy on occasion.

both those things said, i have to add that IMHO, the difference in sound you are after may more likely be acheived by changing preamps.  from my experience, the V3 is a rather brightish preamp compared to some others i have used.  i have owned and used neumanns, schoeps cmc64s, DPA 4011s and 4006s and 4061s, AT4051s, gefell m300s, AKG C481s, amd a slew of others, and of those, the C481s are as smooth as anything i have ever used.  on the other hand, when i auditioned the 481s through a pair of grace 101s, i was shocked at how bright they sounded.  i then ran them trhough a vintech 1272 (neve clone), and they were VERY warm (almost like a bright ribbon mic).  with a nice neutral preamp (i use a millennia media HV3D), they are about as good as mics can be.  so, i might suggest trying something other than just mics if you are feeling like the 481s are a tad bright for you.  have you tried the sonosax?  or a great river?

[muj]

hi bean - i'm late on this thread, but wanted to throw in my 2 pennies.  i love both c480s and 414s, and on many applications really can hardly hear the differences in controlled studio applications.  that said, the multiple patterns of the 414 can come in very handy on occasion.

both those things said, i have to add that IMHO, the difference in sound you are after may more likely be acheived by changing preamps.  from my experience, the V3 is a rather brightish preamp compared to some others i have used.  i have owned and used neumanns, schoeps cmc64s, DPA 4011s and 4006s and 4061s, AT4051s, gefell m300s, AKG C481s, amd a slew of others, and of those, the C481s are as smooth as anything i have ever used.  on the other hand, when i auditioned the 481s through a pair of grace 101s, i was shocked at how bright they sounded.  i then ran them trhough a vintech 1272 (neve clone), and they were VERY warm (almost like a bright ribbon mic).  with a nice neutral preamp (i use a millennia media HV3D), they are about as good as mics can be.  so, i might suggest trying something other than just mics if you are feeling like the 481s are a tad bright for you.  have you tried the sonosax?  or a great river?

the v3 is slightly more colored than the 101

 imo

[VA_TAPER]

I vote 460s JW and SPA mod'ed. 

peace, chris