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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: BobbyPlant on January 25, 2018, 09:57:57 AM
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Just curious if this is a good idea? I am sure there are drawbacks, such as Iphone 8 not having the headphone jack.
Thanks
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Is this another stealth info thread? :cheers:
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I've never posted here, so I plead ignorance on that. I see the advantage of using the iphone and Ipod in some venues with security concerns, but, I also see this as a possible secondary recording device. I've heard issues that Apple may only record in mono. Other issues might be old information, such as the overall sound quality.
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The search function is your friend...it's the button right between HELP and PROFILE in the header bar. I would suggest narrowing your search by choosing specific topics to search in.
There have been numerous threads here about using an iPhone as a recorder
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Some people have had success using the DPA d:Vice to record using an iPhone. It's not cheap, but seems to be working well from the little I've read. Here's the thread about it: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=181868.0
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Some people have had success using the DPA d:Vice to record using an iPhone. It's not cheap, but seems to be working well from the little I've read. Here's the thread about it: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=181868.0
Thanks,
I have a pretty basic setup right now with Church audio mics and tascam DR-05.
Without investing a lot in equipment, does it make sense to use the iphone instead of the DR05?
I have searched through threads and not really hear a lot of opinions. There's posts about the gear,but, not a lot of comments on the actual recordings.
I do look at the bit torrent sites and do not notice recordings with the ios.
Thanks
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Some people have had success using the DPA d:Vice to record using an iPhone. It's not cheap, but seems to be working well from the little I've read. Here's the thread about it: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=181868.0
Thanks,
I have a pretty basic setup right now with Church audio mics and tascam DR-05.
Without investing a lot in equipment, does it make sense to use the iphone instead of the DR05?
I have searched through threads and not really hear a lot of opinions. There's posts about the gear,but, not a lot of comments on the actual recordings.
I do look at the bit torrent sites and do not notice recordings with the ios.
Thanks
Check the cost of the DPA 4060 > d:vice at B&H and you'll see why it's not being used as much. It's VERY expensive (US$1435 for a matched pair of mics and a d:vice). There are people using them around here and some shows have ended up on DIME.
You can't use the iPhone (at least in a clean, true 24-bit manner) without the d:vice so since you're NOT wanting to invest a lot in equipment, it's best not to consider this. It's an expensive outlay but a pretty simple and easy to use setup.
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It can be done cheaply and successfully, but the best method I've found is using the now discontinued Tascam iXj2.
Here's an example of a comparison I did.
https://soundcloud.com/quisquose/stealth-concert-recording-sony-pcm-m10-versus-iphone-tascam-ixj2-ver-2
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Some people have had success using the DPA d:Vice to record using an iPhone. It's not cheap, but seems to be working well from the little I've read. Here's the thread about it: http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=181868.0
Thanks,
I have a pretty basic setup right now with Church audio mics and tascam DR-05.
Without investing a lot in equipment, does it make sense to use the iphone instead of the DR05?
I have searched through threads and not really hear a lot of opinions. There's posts about the gear,but, not a lot of comments on the actual recordings.
I do look at the bit torrent sites and do not notice recordings with the ios.
Thanks
Personally, I'd get a battery box or preamp (if you don't already have one) to run between the mics and the DR05 before I'd try to record using a phone. That will be much less expensive and possibly more reliable.
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It can be done cheaply and successfully, but the best method I've found is using the now discontinued Tascam iXj2.
Here's an example of a comparison I did.
https://soundcloud.com/quisquose/stealth-concert-recording-sony-pcm-m10-versus-iphone-tascam-ixj2-ver-2
But, IIRC, it's discontinued, uses the old iPhone port, and is 16/44 only.
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You should be able to use a sonicport as an alternative to the D:vice or tascam (for 24/48)
microphones > battery box > 1/8 out > sonicport > iphone.
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Thanks everyone, it seems to sound like it's not a great idea.
I'll probably use my DR05, but, I thought the iphone would be good for a second source recording.
https://www.micreviews.com/guides/top-10-best-ios-microphones
The link on the articles reviews some mics, but, I wonder about the recording quality, whether the mics can handle the volume, etc.
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https://www.micreviews.com/guides/top-10-best-ios-microphones
The link on the articles reviews some mics, but, I wonder about the recording quality, whether the mics can handle the volume, etc.
I think somebody on here has used the Shure MV88, and got a good recording from it at a Who show.
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I have both a Zoom IQ5 and a IQ7. I used them fro hand streaming via mixlr and they are pretty good. Using a lightning connected microphone to record to an iphone is certainly a possibility. Although overall audio quality would not rival better microphones etc, the ability to get in better locations sound wise is a big advantage.
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don't ride the apple train to stupidville.
job is art
tools are everything
using good tools to get a job done right is art
that's why job is art
its always been art
if you are using a phone to rec as a tool
...............YOU ARE A TOOL.....Full stop.
happy captures people
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It can be done cheaply and successfully, but the best method I've found is using the now discontinued Tascam iXj2.
Here's an example of a comparison I did.
https://soundcloud.com/quisquose/stealth-concert-recording-sony-pcm-m10-versus-iphone-tascam-ixj2-ver-2
But, IIRC, it's discontinued, uses the old iPhone port, and is 16/44 only.
It's still easy to obtain on eBay and I picked up a spare for $30 recently. It's actually more convenient with the 30pin to lightning adapter, and Tascam underrated it and it's capable of 24/48.
It's what I use for stealthing now, but that might change when the R-07 arrives.
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don't ride the apple train to stupidville.
job is art
tools are everything
using good tools to get a job done right is art
that's why job is art
its always been art
if you are using a phone to rec as a tool
...............YOU ARE A TOOL.....Full stop.
happy captures people
g
Only TOOLS post stuff like in the quote above. Read the thread on the d:vice. Many veteran tapers are using it especially when in spots where security is tight. It's about using a simple, low-profile rig, that records high quality.
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don't ride the apple train to stupidville.
job is art
tools are everything
using good tools to get a job done right is art
that's why job is art
its always been art
if you are using a phone to rec as a tool
...............YOU ARE A TOOL.....Full stop.
happy captures people
g
Only TOOLS post stuff like in the quote above. Read the thread on the d:vice. Many veteran tapers are using it especially when in spots where security is tight. It's about using a simple, low-profile rig, that records high quality.
I agree 100% adrianf74. I've been using iDevices to stream for 4+ years and using it in conjunction with the D:vice seems like a very cool tool for the right scenarios. I'm not a fan of people trying to push their biases on others. If you (boyacrobat )don't like Apple or whatever that's fine but don't suggest there is something wrong with others who have more open minds...
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don't ride the apple train to stupidville.
job is art
tools are everything
using good tools to get a job done right is art
that's why job is art
its always been art
if you are using a phone to rec as a tool
...............YOU ARE A TOOL.....Full stop.
happy captures people
g
What a waste of sperm this idiot turned out to be.
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The d:vice solution is a VERY pricey one at the end of the day but it works very well. I just jumped on a pair of matched 4060's with a d:vice and look forward to using it in the "real world." Smallest pro sounding rig you can use and great in tighter spots (or when I don't feel like wearing full size caps, collettes, a deck, preamp, etc). :)
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did you ever understand why you use a phone to rec with?
the size of your balls will tell you what rec to use obsidian and everyone else reading
i fucking carry 3 dr2ds and 1 korg mr1 with ext power pack and many radios
i do not fear security and do not think about downgrading to a phone.
the size of my balls allows for many things to happen obsidian
dpa dvice was not designed for me it was designed for lazy pussys who are scared to carry a real rig
swallow the truth and get over it. its not like your the only pussy in the house.
all you dpa dvice people im not sorry for hurting your fucking feelings
i was born to spare no one i don't like and im not stopping today for any phone fuckers
now i will not comment anymore here on this thread because i have said my views.
feel very welcome to say whatever you like about me.
i love all opinions of me and love the nasty shit , bring it on knuckleheads show me what you got
even though im not responding know im enjoying every bit of it.
the finger is the the full stop
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To paraphrase Cynthia Ozick: When you record stuff with your balls, what kind of SD card do you use?
A bunch of years back, I was interviewing a former athlete turned academic researcher about the connection between sports and violence for this article (https://www.villagevoice.com/2000/03/07/punch-like-a-man/ (https://www.villagevoice.com/2000/03/07/punch-like-a-man/)), and he told me about one memorable experience when he was a offensive lineman for his college football team, and his coach decided to single him out when they were watching game films for not being aggressive enough. "Sabo!" the coach yelled, freezing the film to show him lining up for the play. "Sabo!! What're you doing out there, squatting to pee?!?"
That's stuck in my head ever since as a perfect example of how misogyny, homophobia, and male-on-male abuse all combine to reinforce a culture of violence that harms women and men alike. But the previous comment isn't a bad one, either.
(Sorry for the topic drift.)
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did you ever understand why you use a phone to rec with?
the size of your balls will tell you what rec to use obsidian and everyone else reading
i fucking carry 3 dr2ds and 1 korg mr1 with ext power pack and many radios
i do not fear security and do not think about downgrading to a phone.
the size of my balls allows for many things to happen obsidian
dpa dvice was not designed for me it was designed for lazy pussys who are scared to carry a real rig
swallow the truth and get over it. its not like your the only pussy in the house.
all you dpa dvice people im not sorry for hurting your fucking feelings
i was born to spare no one i don't like and im not stopping today for any phone fuckers
now i will not comment anymore here on this thread because i have said my views.
feel very welcome to say whatever you like about me.
i love all opinions of me and love the nasty shit , bring it on knuckleheads show me what you got
even though im not responding know im enjoying every bit of it.
the finger is the the full stop
g
g
Please don’t speak to others here this way. It isn’t nice.
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obsidian, boyacrobat -- You're both out of line. Please stop.
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Just got back from working in Provo, UT this weekend, and driving up to SLC to see Chris Robinson Brotherhood twice. I test ed out the Shure MV-88, $144 from Amazon, which plugs into the lightening port. I had an extension lightning cable, and used my iPad because my eyesight's poor and the bigger screen was helpful. Had a first listen on home playback gear and was impressed. Not sounding like Shoeps->Foster FR-2, but nice sound for the price, which includes pretty cool software for controlling the mic, which is m/s, and recording. On my iPhonex, it used 4% of the battery to record 1:30 at 24/48, so no worries there. For fun, left it in my pocket at the airport, and it didn't set off the metal detector, which is nice to know as they're in use (Warfield) these days.
Anyway, need to listen more, but impressive for something so cheap and easy to stealth/use.
edited to fix typo
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I use the Tascam iXJ2 to record to the iPhone with very good results. In fact I have two of them and usually make 2 recordings at most shows these days, one with a set of Sound Professional SP-CMC-2 (AT831's) and one with Church Audio mics (CA11 or CAFS). The sound quality is not noticeably different than what I was getting with my PCM-M10. I bought both iXJ2's on eBay for about $30 a piece. I use a Lightning adapter cable to attach to an iPhone 6 or iPhone 6S. I use Twisted WAV to record. And while I've always recorded 16/44, you can record 24/48 with this setup if you so choose. I do use battery boxes.
I do find this setup to be a bit less reliable than the PCM-M10, which was pretty idiot proof. I did once have one recording cut out on me in the middle of the show (I was doing two recordings that day, so I didn't lose anything), and another time one of the switches got moved on the iXJ2 which resulted in only one channel being recorded (Again, I was doing two recordings). I solved the latter problem by using black tape to keep the switches in place. I never did figure out the problem with the one time it just stopped. It's possible that the phone unlocked in my pocket, and the screen got pressed in a way that paused the recording, or I put it in my pocket without locking the screen. The last show I did there was some skipping at the beginning of the show, but I forgot to put my phone in airplane mode. I also recommend closing out of all other apps as well. Battery life hasn't been a problem. Seems to use about 10% for every hour recorded with the screen off. I have a number of recording on DIME and one on Traders Den and Yeeshkul using this setup if you want to check them out.
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Finally tracked out the CRB show I recorded using the Shure MV88. You can take a listen here:
https://archive.org/details/CRB2018-02-03.MV88.flac16
No DSP, just triming in Audacity.
Cheers,
Chris
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I'm trying to understand why not to record directly to an iPhone. I tested out my U853s with 12v battery box into the Shure app using just my voice at home and it seemed fine. I'd like to take it for a spin in place of my MV88. I have a small, but growing, set of balls and if I can reduce the security risk a tiny bit for now by using the iPhone instead of my A10 it seems like it would be worth doing.
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Personally, I'd get a battery box or preamp (if you don't already have one) to run between the mics and the DR05 before I'd try to record using a phone. That will be much less expensive and possibly more reliable.
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This is all you need. It will improve what you are using. Location will help too.
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I'm trying to understand why not to record directly to an iPhone. I tested out my U853s with 12v battery box into the Shure app using just my voice at home and it seemed fine. I'd like to take it for a spin in place of my MV88. I have a small, but growing, set of balls and if I can reduce the security risk a tiny bit for now by using the iPhone instead of my A10 it seems like it would be worth doing.
Did it record in stereo through the headphone jack? That would be news to me.Your MV88 is going digital through the lightning Jack, which is stereo. headphone in is mono
you need at minimum a sonicport for stereo line in, which is small but not super tiny.
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Did it record in stereo through the headphone jack? That would be news to me.Your MV88 is going digital through the lightning Jack, which is stereo. headphone in is mono
you need at minimum a sonicport for stereo line in, which is small but not super tiny.
That I’m not sure about so you could be right. I’ll try that tonight.
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Did it record in stereo through the headphone jack? That would be news to me.Your MV88 is going digital through the lightning Jack, which is stereo. headphone in is mono
you need at minimum a sonicport for stereo line in, which is small but not super tiny.
That I’m not sure about so you could be right. I’ll try that tonight.
Yep, mono.
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I'm trying to understand why not to record directly to an iPhone. I tested out my U853s with 12v battery box into the Shure app using just my voice at home and it seemed fine. I'd like to take it for a spin in place of my MV88. I have a small, but growing, set of balls and if I can reduce the security risk a tiny bit for now by using the iPhone instead of my A10 it seems like it would be worth doing.
What app are you planning on recording with? This looks cool and it records in stereo: https://www.rode.com/software/reporter_app
You have the ability to set the quality and compression.
I think this is the sonicport others were recommending: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1240811-REG/line_6_121643_line_6_sonic_port.html
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What app are you planning on recording with? This looks cool and it records in stereo: https://www.rode.com/software/reporter_app
You have the ability to set the quality and compression.
I think this is the sonicport others were recommending: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1240811-REG/line_6_121643_line_6_sonic_port.html
My go-to app is the Shure recording app. My mics are TRS terminated. Could it be that I just need a TRS->TRRS adapter in between the mics and the 3.5mm->lightning adapter?
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The d:vice solution is a VERY pricey one at the end of the day but it works very well. I just jumped on a pair of matched 4060's with a d:vice and look forward to using it in the "real world." Smallest pro sounding rig you can use and great in tighter spots (or when I don't feel like wearing full size caps, collettes, a deck, preamp, etc). :)
yes and it holds its own as a full size open or stealth rig with 4011s, etc
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My go-to app is the Shure recording app. My mics are TRS terminated. Could it be that I just need a TRS->TRRS adapter in between the mics and the 3.5mm->lightning adapter?
No, smartphones don’t record stereo through the TRRS input - stereo out/mono in.
There is no way around an A/D converter of some sort if you want stereo in. Rode SC6-L is another example, although I dont have personal experiences. SC6-L has been discussed here before so try a search.
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This may be fodder for another thread, but if I was looking to bring a mono omni into the rig, mainly for using the bass information in addition to my existing stealth rig, what should I be looking at? My thought is to run the omni into my iPhone and mix it later with my A10 stereo setup.
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This may be fodder for another thread, but if I was looking to bring a mono omni into the rig, mainly for using the bass information in addition to my existing stealth rig, what should I be looking at? My thought is to run the omni into my iPhone and mix it later with my A10 stereo setup.
If you feel the need to add another mic because of a deficiency in freq. response, you need better mics.
Simpler = better, especially for low profile.
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This may be fodder for another thread, but if I was looking to bring a mono omni into the rig, mainly for using the bass information in addition to my existing stealth rig, what should I be looking at? My thought is to run the omni into my iPhone and mix it later with my A10 stereo setup.
If you feel the need to add another mic because of a deficiency in freq. response, you need better mics.
Simpler = better, especially for low profile.
I’ve posted in other threads about my approach to my stealth setup and it involving 2 cardioids in a XY pattern. With this approach I’m likely to lose some amount of bass and sound of the room. My cards are fine, they are AT U853s, and adding an omni wouldn’t increase the profile of the rig, so the thought is by using the single omni I can add the low freq mono into the stereo mix later. If this seems like it’s worth a try, I’m willing to throw up to $100 at a decent 3.5mm terminated omni.
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This may be fodder for another thread, but if I was looking to bring a mono omni into the rig, mainly for using the bass information in addition to my existing stealth rig, what should I be looking at? My thought is to run the omni into my iPhone and mix it later with my A10 stereo setup.
If you feel the need to add another mic because of a deficiency in freq. response, you need better mics.
Simpler = better, especially for low profile.
I’ve posted in other threads about my approach to my stealth setup and it involving 2 cardioids in a XY pattern. With this approach I’m likely to lose some amount of bass and sound of the room. My cards are fine, they are AT U853s, and adding an omni wouldn’t increase the profile of the rig, so the thought is by using the single omni I can add the low freq mono into the stereo mix later. If this seems like it’s worth a try, I’m willing to throw up to $100 at a decent 3.5mm terminated omni.
youd still need a bat box, esp for bass-heavy omnis that overload easier
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youd still need a bat box, esp for bass-heavy omnis that overload easier
Yep, aware of that. I'm sufficiently intrigued by the idea. Stay tuned.
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If you feel the need to add another mic because of a deficiency in freq. response, you need better mics.
That's not a fair statement. The very best supercard mic in the world (assuming everyone could agree on one...) won't have the amount of bass response that an omni has.
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I also use a Shure mv88 and it pulls nice stereo recordings. Of course you get the best results if you're not too far from the source.
Big drawback is the impossibility to charge the phone / iPad while recording. Not a big deal in audio recording, which won't draw too much juice, as you can record with the screen off. Different if you shoot a video, either using the stock camera app or the Shure video app; I couldn't find any video recording app allowing to set the screen off while shooting. The difference between audio and video is really huge, I suspect more because of the screen on thank the recording thing itself. No workaround for this limitation; Apple usb3 to lightning adapter doesn't work as it can power iPhone/iPad through the lightning and accept an external device via usb, but can't do the opposite. Shure released the mv88+, which is essentially the same mic but with a different design, allowing iPhone charging as it can be used with the summentioned Apple adapter, but mic+adapter makes roughly 250 euros in Europe which seems a lot. If you are prepared to charge externally you may as well end up buying an audio interface which allows you to choose any mic you want and link it to the iPhone / iPad so you can get even professional sound directly with your video.
Apart from this comfortable use, I don't see any particular advantage of using an apple device over a recorder in order to pick only sound.
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Apart from this comfortable use, I don't see any particular advantage of using an apple device over a recorder in order to pick only sound.
getting it into shows with tight security is a major factor
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What app are you planning on recording with? This looks cool and it records in stereo: https://www.rode.com/software/reporter_app
You have the ability to set the quality and compression.
I think this is the sonicport others were recommending: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1240811-REG/line_6_121643_line_6_sonic_port.html
My go-to app is the Shure recording app. My mics are TRS terminated. Could it be that I just need a TRS->TRRS adapter in between the mics and the 3.5mm->lightning adapter?
Jeff Coffin of DMB/The Flecktones does it never listened close enough to see if it is mono or stereo though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMO_nHmveUM&t=8s