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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2003, 02:31:59 PM »
Err... no ;O)

Seriously, there's a lot to talk about here... let's just say that I'm very disappointed in chinese SD capsules and I don't see much point in tweaking the head amp. I have a proto SC here that I modified with a "Vienna" type head amp but with TL output and again, the capsule is the problem.
I don't know what's going to happen with the ADK SD mics right now... There will be a much better SD mic coming up that will be part of a "Premium" line in a couple of years... but until then it's hard to say what we're going to do. Larry is disappointed too: We have the Vienna and Hamburg, amazing value, and then the SC in the same line... doesn't make sense. If we can manage to have a proper SD capsule made, then all will be well. But that higher-grade SD mic, now THAT's going to be nice... but then the "Premium" LD mic will be REALLY nice! Can't say too much about it!
But basically I'll get to do what I want as far as circuit, layout, specs, components choice etc. goes! Maybe, maybe, US made in part or whole, it's still in the air.
Don't expect a 250$ street price tag though!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2003, 02:36:04 PM »
RE: my previous post, I meant the ST is the only FET multipattern mic in the ADK line: the A51TT, CE and A48 are multi-pattern Xfo bal, but tube based of course.

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2003, 02:37:49 PM »
Damn it, I meant the ST is the only TRANSFORMER BALANCED, FET multipattern mic...etc.

I'm going to bed now!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2003, 03:51:40 AM »
The problem is not the elctronics, I have a gazillion ideas. I WANT a SD SYSTEM like the old AKG CMS. the problem is always the capsules. When we've sorted out SD capsule production (and any "manufacturer" building in China should do the same IMHO) then we'll be able to fool around a bit... Longnecks for sure if I have my ways, active cables, I dunno... I mean, folks looking for really great SD systems will go with Schoeps. The ADK SD will have tone/personnality more than transparency/neutrality so while it would be cool to use a Longneck I don't know if many people would buy/need an active cable... it would be expensive, the head amp would have to be more expensive, the capsules too (ideally, built in Z converter)... But I would want stuff like a selection of patterns like 9 models from omni to fig-8, Jecklin Discs that doesn't cost so much that you end up making your own, I'd like switches for HPF AND LPF, switchable integral pad...

But first, we need a decent capsule!!!!!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2003, 03:53:08 AM »
Oh yeah, nice technique there...
What do you think of the ADK foam pop filters???

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2003, 08:00:51 AM »
have you guys considered mbho as capsule provider?

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2003, 08:54:22 AM »
Can't tell...
But I can give you an exampleof the many problems ancountered with SD mics: would you consider buying an ADK SD mic if it was priced at over 500? When you can buy a pair MK012, a used 184, a refurbished 451, a Josephson series 4 etc for the same amount? If it was GREAT you probably would. But we MUST make the mic affordable or it won't sell. Selling ie. 5 units a month is unfortunately not acceptable, or the profit margin would have to be huge to make up for the low sales figure. Know what I mean? Like, Soundelux mics are more expensive than many brands, but they're beautiful and you know you have a quality piece of kit when you hold one.
So they're better; they cost more to manufacture; so they sell less than, say, MXL (I'm just comparing sales figures here, nothing more) mics; not only do Soundelux have to pay more $$$ to put a similar product on the market, but they have to make more profit on each sale to stay in business. I know it sucks, but that's how it is. Take those THE mics, they're great but not exactly selling like hot cakes.
Believe me, it's not easy coming up with a product that "puhses all the right buttons"!!!

Of course we've considered and are still considering other sources for capsules, amongst other things, but these days profit margins are paper-thin; ans since we're very reluctant to sell crap... we need to find an affordable small capsule. If other brands are OK with the curent SD capsule production from Chian, fine, but after the V and H it's hard for ADK to sell a product that's obviously so inferior. And sure, most chinese SD mics are fine for drums etc... But when I compare and find that my 30 year old mics are ie. 6 dBs quieter and sound MUCH better, I'm not too happy!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2003, 11:05:47 AM »
Greetings from ADK!

Just a quick note of clarification about "Studio Series" and
"Audiophile Series" - the new JP Mod Vienna Edition and
soon to be released Hamburg Edition, based on Specs only,
deserve to be in the Audiophile Series.  JP Mod S and ST will
be the Top of the Line for the Studio Series.  And trust me:
we'll try to get JP going through ALL our line-card over the
next few years!  It took almost a year to get the "S" done!!

By keeping the Model S (V Ed and H Ed) in the Studio Series,
it means that the price is so incredible that lots of end-users
will have access.  We want to democratize good audio tools!

So hang in there.  ADK still may be the best kept secret
in the Pro Audio Universe, but I think both the "TL" and "S"
Vienna/Hamburg are examples of why that is changing!

But then, what do I know? I'm just a musician living in the woods  
who likes to play and record music (ok - and one who has been
collecting Acoustic Guitars and Vintage Tube mics for 32 years).

Cheers !

Larry J. Villella, Co-Founder ADK

"First in Affordable Retro-Sonics"
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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2003, 11:36:46 AM »
Greetings from ADK!

Just a quick note of clarification about "Studio Series" and
"Audiophile Series" - the new JP Mod Vienna Edition and
soon to be released Hamburg Edition, based on Specs only,
deserve to be in the Audiophile Series.  JP Mod S and ST will
be the Top of the Line for the Studio Series.  And trust me:
we'll try to get JP going through ALL our line-card over the
next few years!  It took almost a year to get the "S" done!!

By keeping the Model S (V Ed and H Ed) in the Studio Series,
it means that the price is so incredible that lots of end-users
will have access.  We want to democratize good audio tools!

So hang in there.  ADK still may be the best kept secret
in the Pro Audio Universe, but I think both the "TL" and "S"
Vienna/Hamburg are examples of why that is changing!

But then, what do I know? I'm just a musician living in the woods  
who likes to play and record music (ok - and one who has been
collecting Acoustic Guitars and Vintage Tube mics for 32 years).

Cheers !

Larry J. Villella, Co-Founder ADK

"First in Affordable Retro-Sonics"


Larry--

Trey Woodruff here. We spoke in detail eariler in the year about a microphone you guys were releasing that would be very similar in sound to the neumann km254, has that been released? I anxiously await.


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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2003, 11:44:59 AM »
Welcome to the board Larry..!

Glad to see I apparently bought an "inferior mic"   :clapping::banging head: :clapping:   ;)  Atleast I got a good deal on them at Sonic Sense ;D

Heh..  with that said though, I've still be really really really pleased with my results using the ADK SC-T's.  So I guess that's what counts...  

Once these get "verified" feel free to pull them down and let me know whatcha think too!

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2003, 11:49:55 AM »
Larry, welcome aboard.  It means a lot to us to get response directly from manufacturers and the industry.  Thanks to you and JP for the information and technical advice.  It carries a lot of weight and will go a long way.  I look forward to trying out your new product.

any chance of you posting some photos of your mics.  If you don't reveal the location of your cabin, your collection's safe 8)

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2003, 12:47:02 PM »
Larry, welcome aboard.  It means a lot to us to get response directly from manufacturers and the industry.  Thanks to you and JP for the information and technical advice.  It carries a lot of weight and will go a long way.  I look forward to trying out your new product.

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2003, 01:03:26 PM »
<Glad to see I apparently bought an "inferior mic"  Atleast I got a good deal on them at Sonic Sense>

Dude, don't get me wrong, I KNOW that the SC sells for... and it's STILL great value; it's just that to me, to get the thumbs up, a mic has to be on a par with my other mics, or even better. I also have access to some Neumann and AKG classics, so once in a while I do a small shootout to keep things in perspective. That's where the V and H really stand out and the SC... well... doesn't quite cut it, but then I'm comparing with my 1973 KM84 and rebuilt 1973 C451 and Altec 201B...

To be honest (Larry's gonna fly overseas to kick my butt but here it goes) I think the Oktava MK012 is the best budget SD mic right now. I use my pair all the time. As much as my pair of vintage Altecs!

I prefer a refurbished C451 though; KM84 is my fav for most SD apps, but it's not really a budget mic is it?

So trust me, when ADK launches a truly cool SD mic, it will be TRULY VERY VERY cool.

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2003, 01:26:15 PM »
jp
much respect for being honest.that is class!

regarding the 451's..have you come across staynes "forthyfifty" tube retrofit for these mics?

regarding t.h.e mics....these are probably the best money to performance ratio mics out there.shall i say " musically accurate" mics...im gonna buy a pair of those soon.definately complements the gefell sm2000 series.


than again  i am a idiot! ;D

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Re:Time to upgrade
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2003, 02:10:51 PM »
Hey anders,
No, I don't know the Staynes retrofit.
I actually just rebuilt my Altec 201 pair from something like 78 and they're still matched within 1 dB! They sound the same, noise floor is the same. I mention those because they're rebadged AKG C451s.
Happy hunt, vintage mic lovers... those are RARE!!! They use CK1 or CK2 caps, I have the CK1 model, Mylar diaph. (my AKG 451 has an old
metal diaph.) and it's a terrific mic for... anything, really!

Next year I'll buy one or two mics from a guy in germany (who's name I can't remember ight now) who rebuilds Gefell mics. I'm after old shit, I know, how sad... Anyway, I'll post the name of the guy and his website address soon. Really good rebuilds.

Let us know how the THE pair fares against the competition!

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