Topic: Stealthy Preamp Request for Schoeps > Active Cable > Preamp > Edirol

[Scooter123]

Putting together another mike rig for Schoeps mk4

Requirements are stealthy small, fitting under an armpit or on belt

Onboard DC powered (no external power)

At least 30 db gain. 

I don't need vu's, as I will use the recorder's input vus. 

Mikes will be Schoeps mk4 caps without body

For use with Active cables like Schoeps KC type

Hopefully with 3.5mm Stereo out

Recorder is Edirol

Suggestions?

I don't often recognize initials and code words, so full spelling of preamps would be appreciated.  Thanks in Advance, Guys.

[Brian Skalinder]

I only know of three preamps that work with Schoeps caps and without Schoeps bodies:

• Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 ("Lemosax") with Schoeps or custom KCY cable (discontinued, available used)
• N-Box with custom active cables ("boutique" manufacture; contact schoepsnbox here on TS)
• Schoeps VMS (not familiar enough with the different models to list them all here)

[Scooter123]

Thanks.

Thats exactly the information I needed.  I suspected the N Box was what I wanted, and the SonoSax is a tad large for my intended use.  I just your guy an email. 

[GDfan]

Schoeps CMR solution is quite small:
http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,100090.msg1544717.html#msg1544717
I am sure you could use the same set up going into the edirol as this is pictured going into the PMD620

[JasonSobel]

yes, definitely look into the CMR solution.  Alternatively, you could get the CCM4 mics instead of the mk4 caps, and you'd open up your options to anything that provided +48v phantom... like the aerco mp-2 (as just one example).

[jerryfreak]

cmr with a tiny battery box and your choice of small pre (church, adc20, mic 2496) is your best bet for price and flexibility. ccms are not an option for most because youre looking at 3 grand for every different set of caps you want to have.

i forgot to grab my church custom cmr pre before i went to hampton. sucks but if i woulda missed that flight i would not have been happy. i'll take some pics of it when i can

[schoepsnbox]

cmr with a tiny battery box and your choice of small pre (church, adc20, mic 2496) is your best bet for price and flexibility.

What would be total cost of the CMR's, BB and let's say the cheapest pre-amp for this set-up??  Truly Curious

[jerryfreak]

cmrs are $1060/pair

battery box is $10-$30 in parts

there are a bunch of tiny stealth pres from church and others in the $100-$300 range

nottingham has had great results using the edirol r09 pre, go to the cmr thread to find a link to his archive shows

cmr with a tiny battery box and your choice of small pre (church, adc20, mic 2496) is your best bet for price and flexibility.

What would be total cost of the CMR's, BB and let's say the cheapest pre-amp for this set-up??  Truly Curious

[todd e]

vms02ib pre-amp, grab yourself a pair of RCA > 1/8" mini and you are in business.

[udovdh]

Please be aware that in some situations the nbox/mic combo produce unnecessary hot signals which could cause issues in the recording/recorder.
See the R09hr thread elsewhere.

[edtyre]

Please be aware that in some situations the nbox/mic combo produce unnecessary hot signals which could cause issues in the recording/recorder.
See the R09hr thread elsewhere.

Let me give you my slant......it's the recorders that there is an issue with, not the schoeps nbox combo.
When the nbox is run into an r-44, or sd 7xx boxes there is no problem. The problem is with the r-09 and r-09hr.
In well over 50 recordings with the nbox/r-09 combo, i had only 2 instances of the distortion with heavy bass, once
for a few seconds and once for a few songs........the last one was a ZZ Top stack tape 10 feet from the speaker
set on #2 (so we shouldn't even count that one)

My opinion is this combo smokes and i encourage others to run this in the field for any taping situations.
I now have an attenuator cable in my kit for those once in a while situations 

[it-goes-to-eleven]

Please be aware that in some situations the nbox/mic combo produce unnecessary hot signals which could cause issues in the recording/recorder.
See the R09hr thread elsewhere.

Let me give you my slant......it's the recorders that there is an issue with, not the schoeps nbox combo.

Absolutely agree.  It is the r09 and r09hr that are distorting the audio.   There is no excuse for that.  Otherwise, I like the r09.

Here's my original post on the issue from two years ago:

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,84587.0.html

[udovdh]

Please be aware that in some situations the nbox/mic combo produce unnecessary hot signals which could cause issues in the recording/recorder.
See the R09hr thread elsewhere.

Let me give you my slant......it's the recorders that there is an issue with, not the schoeps nbox combo.

Did I imply otherwise?
So far only Schoeps anr/or nbox users.
No conclusive signals/levels to use to recreate the situation in the lab.

[jerryfreak]

heres some recordings i made at high sierra with mk4v>cmr>church ugly pre>r09hr

devil makes three http://www.sendspace.com/file/4h6r04

marco benevento trio w/skerik http://www.sendspace.com/file/6gx3ki

[paulbaptiste]

are you uploading the DM3 show anywhere?  I'd love to have it.  Recently found out about this band, and so far very impressed.

Nick