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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2013, 12:17:02 PM »
Don't know if this is being discussed before ( not on the first three threads that I did read ) .
When I listen to a recording on headphones , or line out to my stereo set  , sometimes there is huge noise . Nothing but noise actually . Than I stop the play mode , hit the play button again  and it's over. Really weird .
But I have to say, I don’t mind it. I do object when I see people sticking microphones up my nose, in the front row. If I see anyone doing that [laughs] I’m going to have security remove them. Because that’s just obnoxious. But I don’t mind if people come and discreetly at the back make a recording of it. And I know that it’s just for their own use, for the superfan.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2013, 11:11:17 PM »
Don't know if this is being discussed before ( not on the first three threads that I did read ) .
When I listen to a recording on headphones , or line out to my stereo set  , sometimes there is huge noise . Nothing but noise actually . Than I stop the play mode , hit the play button again  and it's over. Really weird .

Thats the first time Ive heard of that
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #47 on: April 23, 2013, 04:01:52 AM »
Don't know if this is being discussed before ( not on the first three threads that I did read ) .
When I listen to a recording on headphones , or line out to my stereo set  , sometimes there is huge noise . Nothing but noise actually . Than I stop the play mode , hit the play button again  and it's over. Really weird .

I've experienced this a few times and think I've posted about it either within these threads or as a topic to itself.

It's usually one channel more than the other if memory serves, affects the internal speaker too and resolves on turning the M10 off then on again.

It's just a minor irritation at present but I do wonder what it might represent in the longer term...

Edit: found my original post, but not much to see there:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=149473.msg1907509#msg1907509
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #48 on: April 26, 2013, 12:01:35 PM »
I was thinking to get a second M10 to replace my iRiver, and certainly just the fact of 24 bits is reason enough. What I really hope, though is to get close enough to the same clock rate that I don't have to time stretch. Aligning the files is the easy part of matrices, time stretching takes forever and I'm never satisfied with the result. Has anyone done any matrix mixing with two M10's?
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2013, 12:20:45 PM »
I've synced up recordings from three different M10s and the time-stretching needed has been minimal when they've been recording at the same frequency.

When one of the sources has had to be resampled the situation is much worse but I'm not sure you can blame the M10s for that.

YMMV, obviously, but these particular M10s (purchased at different times from different vendors) were as close as one could reasonably expect.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2013, 01:46:54 PM »
Don't know if this is being discussed before ( not on the first three threads that I did read ) .
When I listen to a recording on headphones , or line out to my stereo set  , sometimes there is huge noise . Nothing but noise actually . Than I stop the play mode , hit the play button again  and it's over. Really weird .

I've had this thing couple of times too. I own the recorder since 2010, so it's not often enough to worry.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2013, 05:36:33 PM »
I've synced up recordings from three different M10s and the time-stretching needed has been minimal when they've been recording at the same frequency.
YMMV, obviously, but these particular M10s (purchased at different times from different vendors) were as close as one could reasonably expect.
Well, I think time stretching is kind of like golf where you have to do a drive then a putt or two. This would be helpful to get it on the green to begin with. Thanks for the info.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2013, 01:48:07 PM »
I'm looking at moving over to the PCM-10 from my MZ-RH1 minidisc recorder. I've looked through a bunch of the faqs and the PCM-10 looks good.

But can anyone offer some personal experiences on the following?:

1- One of the things I really like about the MZ-RH1 is that the display and the record button is on the top of the unit. I can simply open my pocket a bit and look down "unobtrusively" to see how levels are doing as well as start the unit to record. It seems that with the PCM-10, I'll actually have to pull the thing out of my pocket. The comments I've seen say that the display backlight is somewhat dim. Is it dim enough to not draw attention after the house lights go down?

2- With the black matte finish PCM-10, is it easy to find the record button in a darkened environment?

3- I've read that many of you put tape over various switches so as to not accidentally change settings. Are the buttons so sensitive that settings are easily changed accidentally when the unit is in your pocket and let's say you brush up against the side of your seat or dancers next to you bump into you?

4- non-PCM-10 related - is there still a market out there for a used MZ-RH1?

I see many of you purchase through B&H. However, their free shipping is only to the contiguous 48 United States. Cheapest rates to us in Hawaii are almost $25 so I'll probably be going through Amazon. They fulfill this order through Kellard's. Hopefully, they are reputable.

Thanks for any input.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2013, 06:07:49 PM »
I'm looking at moving over to the PCM-10 from my MZ-RH1 minidisc recorder. I've looked through a bunch of the faqs and the PCM-10 looks good.

But can anyone offer some personal experiences on the following?:

1- One of the things I really like about the MZ-RH1 is that the display and the record button is on the top of the unit. I can simply open my pocket a bit and look down "unobtrusively" to see how levels are doing as well as start the unit to record. It seems that with the PCM-10, I'll actually have to pull the thing out of my pocket. The comments I've seen say that the display backlight is somewhat dim. Is it dim enough to not draw attention after the house lights go down?

2- With the black matte finish PCM-10, is it easy to find the record button in a darkened environment?

3- I've read that many of you put tape over various switches so as to not accidentally change settings. Are the buttons so sensitive that settings are easily changed accidentally when the unit is in your pocket and let's say you brush up against the side of your seat or dancers next to you bump into you?

4- non-PCM-10 related - is there still a market out there for a used MZ-RH1?

I see many of you purchase through B&H. However, their free shipping is only to the contiguous 48 United States. Cheapest rates to us in Hawaii are almost $25 so I'll probably be going through Amazon. They fulfill this order through Kellard's. Hopefully, they are reputable.

Thanks for any input.

1: There are 2 green and 2 red led's. I make sure the green ones are coming on occasionally to make sure I'm somewhere close on the levels. I turn it down when I get the red led's coming on. Pretty easy to see. I keep the back light on all the time (plenty of battery life in the M10) It's pretty easy to see, and I think it looks like an old school cell phone when you check your levels.

2. The record button lights up. It goes into pause/record when you first hit record and both buttons light up. Just hit the pause button again and you're rolling. Once I get mine rolling I flip the hold button on. You can adjust your levels at any time. The hold button just keeps your from accidentally stopping your recording.

3. See #2. No need to tape over anything. Flip the hold on and you're not going to change anything but the levels. The level knob is firm enough that you're not going to change it accidentally (unless you wear those super tight emo jeans).

4. I have 2 MD recorders in my closet. Still have a few MD's to convert (if I ever get around to it). My plan once (or if) I ever do that is to give them away here to a newbie that can't afford anything (might charge them shipping).
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #54 on: April 28, 2013, 06:27:38 PM »
3. See #2. No need to tape over anything. Flip the hold on and you're not going to change anything but the levels. The level knob is firm enough that you're not going to change it accidentally (unless you wear those super tight emo jeans).

I find the switches on the back are particularly prone to accidental flipping (and are not affected by the hold switch status), including the all-important auto-gain control which makes a hellish noise when engaged or disengaged during recording.

Not sure if my switch has got looser or my jeans have got tighter but it's something that seems to happen more often than it used to. Will definitely be applying tape on my next stealth outing...
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #55 on: April 28, 2013, 07:53:35 PM »
does anyone use rechargeable batteries in their m10?
what brand?
what type?
how long do they last?
thinking of getting some for my kids wii and my mac keyboard so why not the m10 too
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2013, 06:32:16 PM »

I'm a recovering MD user and the PCM-M10 is superior in virtually every way.

1) Because the PCM-M10 looks pretty much like a point-and-shoot camera, I take it to gigs in a camera case on my belt.  Leave the case open a bit and you can see the LEDs. You can't see the display, but that's showbiz.  You'll get used to it, and with the limiter the PCM-M10 is pretty forgiving.

2) There is a record button on the remote, and you easily remember where it is.  (Record, Pause, Trackmark and Stop are the four buttons on the remote.) So there's no need to find the button on the unit. But if you really want to be fiddling with the unit, even if you don't want to leave it lit up, you'd just learn the position of the button--it's raised, the unit is asymmetrical, you'd have muscle memory. The Play button actually has a little raised dot on top of the raised button  to orient you even more easily.

3) See 1. In the camera case, the switches on the back will not get accidentally moved unless you move them. In a tight jeans pocket, maybe conceivably but you'd probably have to work at it. They click into place, and they are very close to flat so someone would really have to be lap-dancing your unit to move them. In which case the concert would probably be a secondary concern.

4) Your MZ-RH1 is worth a lot since it's the only one that uploads legacy MDs. Check out the Ebay prices.  Other MD units, probably not so much...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mz-rh1&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_okw=&_oexkw=&_adv=1&LH_Complete=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=200&_fpos=&_fsct=&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50


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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #57 on: May 02, 2013, 03:56:17 PM »
I've synced up recordings from three different M10s and the time-stretching needed has been minimal when they've been recording at the same frequency.

When one of the sources has had to be resampled the situation is much worse but I'm not sure you can blame the M10s for that.

YMMV, obviously, but these particular M10s (purchased at different times from different vendors) were as close as one could reasonably expect.

Ive had the same luck as well. my [2] M10s are about as close to possible without time syncing :)
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #58 on: May 06, 2013, 04:49:47 PM »


4) Your MZ-RH1 is worth a lot since it's the only one that uploads legacy MDs. Check out the Ebay prices.  Other MD units, probably not so much...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mz-rh1&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_okw=&_oexkw=&_adv=1&LH_Complete=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=200&_fpos=&_fsct=&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50

Yes , I am very careful to my MZ-RH1. It's an awesome unit since it uploads both MD and HI MD discs . I still use a lot of MD's when I am editing recordings on my hifi set . I don't like editing on a computer .
But I have to say, I don’t mind it. I do object when I see people sticking microphones up my nose, in the front row. If I see anyone doing that [laughs] I’m going to have security remove them. Because that’s just obnoxious. But I don’t mind if people come and discreetly at the back make a recording of it. And I know that it’s just for their own use, for the superfan.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #59 on: May 06, 2013, 04:55:08 PM »
does anyone use rechargeable batteries in their m10?
what brand?
what type?
how long do they last?
thinking of getting some for my kids wii and my mac keyboard so why not the m10 too
tia

I am using GP ReCyko batteries . These have the advantage they don't have to be empty in order to recharge them . I am using these for over a year and they're great .
The only thing I don't like about rechargables is the battery indicator on the recorder works incorrect . After a couple of hours it starts indicating they're almost empty but they still are almost full . I did change the settings on the recorder to rechargable though .
But I have to say, I don’t mind it. I do object when I see people sticking microphones up my nose, in the front row. If I see anyone doing that [laughs] I’m going to have security remove them. Because that’s just obnoxious. But I don’t mind if people come and discreetly at the back make a recording of it. And I know that it’s just for their own use, for the superfan.
(Steven Wilson , interview http://blog.musoscribe.com/index.php/2011/01/25/interview-steven-wilson-on-audience-taping/ )

 

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