Topic: Running Schoeps 4v on din-a bar

[F.O.Bean]

I did some measuring, and with the Schoeps ORTF Stereo Windshield, it seems very possible to run DINa/DIN/ORTF on active bars without any problems if you got one without the Conn Box and removed one of the lyres, leaving just one lyre setup in the middle so that an active bar can be used!!! And should even have enough room to piggyback another active bar on top, so that I could run BOTH of my setups, with just ONE stereo windshield, and ONE lyre setup, with a pair of the Rycote PiggyBack Clips Pretty badass! Too bad they're $600/each and Id need [2] lol

Id love to hear John Willett or D Satz or anyone opinions really, that could tell me if its better to get a BBG/WJ for each [4] of my caps, or get [2] of the stereo windshield kits since everything is windshielded together Obviously this isn't happening for me ANYTIME soon, if ever, but I would DEF like to know just in case I win the lottery or something haha

[dactylus]

For those of you running 4v's or 41v's what windscreens would you use that would provide a suitable pocket of "dead air' surrounding the capsule vs the traditional end address capsules and the pocket of dead air directly in front of the capsule when placed in a windscreen?

Indoors I don't envision a problem here, outdoors could be another matter entirely if using "heavy foam & fur", vertically oriented, active mics.  The traditional windscreens that we use would not provide an "open pocket of dead air" for these vertical, (side-addressed) capsules.

Here is one expensive solution:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=745935&gclid=CNXXt9KZrMwCFQ6maQodpIsLWQ&is=REG&ap=y&m=Y&c3api=1876%2C91438732682%2C&A=details&Q=

That's my dream windscreen setup right there Or [4] of the BBG's/WindJammers I already have the INV6 Lyres too! Maybe one of these days I can afford [2] of those stereo windshield kits, since I mainly run DINa/DIN/ORTF, those would be perfect for me! Although they're meant for ORTF[I think] mainly & M/S, so I wonder if there would be enough space to run DINa/DIN, since the caps would sit up further up in the windshield running 90* compared to running ORTF@110*

Dactylus, do you think the Stereo Windhsield Kits would be better than the single BBG/WJ method for what I do, since they would allow my whole setup to be windshielded Seems like a single BBG/WJ on each [4] of my caps would be better overall, but I have zero experience with them, and you do

EDIT: I LOVE the Duck Rain Cover too! I would feel sooo much more comfortable with all of that in those super shitty conditions haha

Bean,

I've decided to keep my BBG's & Windjammers and give them another shot at an upcoming outdoor festie.  I'll try and report back on that.  I purchased the 22cm BBG version mainly because I wanted to use them on a pair of Nevaton MK49's and the MK49's would NOT fit into a 20cm BBG.  The storm where I had the issues with the BBG was ferocious and I was running Milab VM-44 Links with them that night...  Bottom line, I want to make sure that everything is "sealed tightly" against the wind at the back of the BBG's and then try them again in windy conditions.  It was dark, pouring down the rain, with lightning & high winds for that unsatisfactory attempt at taming the wind.  I was NOT focused on the BBG's, but rather keeping my gear and myself dry, which was NOT successful either.      I may have been partly at fault for the wind-whipped recording, I don't know.  I didn't think so at the time, but I might have contributed to the problem.

If I recall correctly the rear, rubber, mic entrance grommet for the BBG is very inflexible, which I don't like, so I have a few ideas on how to improve that.  Let me verify that first though.  The same "rubber mic entrance hole" on the Movo's is very much to my liking and I think more flexible than the BBG's.

David

[dactylus]

I did some measuring, and with the Schoeps ORTF Stereo Windshield, it seems very possible to run DINa/DIN/ORTF on active bars without any problems if you got one without the Conn Box and removed one of the lyres, leaving just one lyre setup in the middle so that an active bar can be used!!! And should even have enough room to piggyback another active bar on top, so that I could run BOTH of my setups, with just ONE stereo windshield, and ONE lyre setup, with a pair of the Rycote PiggyBack Clips Pretty badass! Too bad they're $600/each and Id need [2] lol

Id love to hear John Willett or D Satz or anyone opinions really, that could tell me if its better to get a BBG/WJ for each [4] of my caps, or get [2] of the stereo windshield kits since everything is windshielded together Obviously this isn't happening for me ANYTIME soon, if ever, but I would DEF like to know just in case I win the lottery or something haha

The Rycote Piggyback clips look interesting!

Why would you need 2 of the windshields if you could run both active bars in one windshield?

[F.O.Bean]

I did some measuring, and with the Schoeps ORTF Stereo Windshield, it seems very possible to run DINa/DIN/ORTF on active bars without any problems if you got one without the Conn Box and removed one of the lyres, leaving just one lyre setup in the middle so that an active bar can be used!!! And should even have enough room to piggyback another active bar on top, so that I could run BOTH of my setups, with just ONE stereo windshield, and ONE lyre setup, with a pair of the Rycote PiggyBack Clips Pretty badass! Too bad they're $600/each and Id need [2] lol

Id love to hear John Willett or D Satz or anyone opinions really, that could tell me if its better to get a BBG/WJ for each [4] of my caps, or get [2] of the stereo windshield kits since everything is windshielded together Obviously this isn't happening for me ANYTIME soon, if ever, but I would DEF like to know just in case I win the lottery or something haha

The Rycote Piggyback clips look interesting!

Why would you need 2 of the windshields if you could run both active bars in one windshield?

Just because I regularly record at 2 separate stages at the majority of the festivals that I do! And thanks for all of the info Dactylus I'll certainly be patiently waiting to hear your results

[MakersMarc]

Real stupid question, going to run these today. On a standard din bar, the red dot should be pointed outwards parallel to the bar, right....and not up? 

[F.O.Bean]

red dot/pattern pointing OUTWARDS horizontally on the DIN bar

Just like Noah did here with his MK41V
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=174052.0

[MakersMarc]

Thanks Bean!

[F.O.Bean]

Thanks Bean!

No problem Marc! Is this your 1st outing with the Schoeps? Cant wait to hear it! Have fun and Happy Taping!

[MakersMarc]

No, just with the 4vs. Thanks. 

[gormenghast]

No, just with the 4vs. Thanks. 

Awesome kit, Marc.   

[MakersMarc]

Thanks for all the advice putting this together Bill. I only ran them the wrong direction  of habit during one set. Couldn't figure out why my levels were so low.  good thing it was free and folk.

[MakersMarc]

For those of you running 4v's or 41v's what windscreens would you use that would provide a suitable pocket of "dead air' surrounding the capsule vs the traditional end address capsules and the pocket of dead air directly in front of the capsule when placed in a windscreen?

Indoors I don't envision a problem here, outdoors could be another matter entirely if using "heavy foam & fur", vertically oriented, active mics.  The traditional windscreens that we use would not provide an "open pocket of dead air" for these vertical, (side-addressed) capsules.

Here is one expensive solution:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=745935&gclid=CNXXt9KZrMwCFQ6maQodpIsLWQ&is=REG&ap=y&m=Y&c3api=1876%2C91438732682%2C&A=details&Q=

I have a pair of Moke dead rats, kicked down for free (thanks again Moke!) and ran them yesterday in 25-30 mph gusts, over the DPA screens, no wind noise whatsoever, running horizontally on a din-a bar. So at that velocity, no issues with a cheap solution. Maybe they won't cut it at 40, but frankly at that point, phasing will be so bad that it won't matter.