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Should stealth discussion be conducted stealthily on ts.com?

I'm apathetic; I really don't care one way or the other.
29 (14.7%)
No, it's OK to discuss stealth taping on ts.com.
72 (36.5%)
Yes, stealth discussion should not be conducted publicly on ts.com.
35 (17.8%)
I'd prefer stealth conversation to be conducted stealthily, but I don't think it matters much
53 (26.9%)
I hate stealth taping/discussion altogether and wish there was a way for ts.com to ban it completely
8 (4.1%)

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Offline JonG

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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #75 on: June 28, 2012, 11:16:29 PM »
I don't mind either way, but what I always found weird when I was wholly new to taping was being told to PM someone about stealth, when I had absolutely no idea who to PM. I imagine that any new members here, that are looking to stealth, that see posts that boil down to 'PM somebody' and wonder who it is they're supposed to be messaging. Random members? The person who just told them to shut up? Perhaps a list of people that are comfortable speaking about stealthing and sharing their techniques can be compiled and made a sticky somewhere, but considering the overall vibe coming from a lot of you here, I don't suppose that would happen.

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Frig it, I've made it known in my signature should anyone come across any of my posts whilst wondering what to do.

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I'd like to clarify that I understand this stuff isn't difficult to figure out, and the wealth of information here******* on gear and venues is plenty enough, but still...
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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #76 on: June 29, 2012, 04:26:10 AM »

Frig it, I've made it known in my signature should anyone come across any of my posts whilst wondering what to do.


This will likely help someone out. I think the real problem is with the eager newbs that want instant gratification and information, and don't read/do research before posting. I lurked this forum ~mo. before I joined. It was quickly obvious who the  >:D artists are, and who amongst them would be approachable if I wanted to ask. It was also obvious that the TS regulars don't openly discuss this topic unless pressed. We have no real choice when a newb comes along, respond to their post (Hoff 'em if needed), PM the good bits if they're serious, and hope they stick around and end up contributing to the community.
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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #77 on: June 29, 2012, 10:52:08 AM »
Patience, Ed Gruberman. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Here's a fairly obvious tip: practice at home, in the dark. Even the PM thing is somewhat suspicious from someone with all of 6 posts. How do we know you are a taper and not a bouncer? And seriously, his thread is filled with people who have indicated their area of expertise. Pick somebody who is saying we should be able to post openly. That's not me, BTW.
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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #78 on: June 29, 2012, 12:52:47 PM »
In the cases of the people I've talked to stealthing about, it's already clear that they're taping because they've already shared some of their sources and are looking for extra tips. Most of what I say boils down to picking a technique and working with it to perfect it, fixing things that make you uncomfortable. If they mention any methods they use or are curious about I'll touch on them, but I don't get very detailed, nor do I provide step by step instructions. Just some pointers.

If somebody PM'd me without any posts and/or had no sources to show, I would be hesitant to provide any help.
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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #79 on: June 29, 2012, 02:07:06 PM »
I voted yes, 'cause it's fun to see moke lose his mind about it  ;D

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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #80 on: June 29, 2012, 03:47:40 PM »
I voted yes, 'cause it's fun to see moke lose his mind about it  ;D

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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #81 on: June 29, 2012, 09:51:15 PM »
I could care less if it is talked about or not, I just don't think its a issue like it was before digital recorders and cell phones, I don't know if i am complacent or not but I don't even get nervous getting into venues anymore and I have never felt like security was looking for a taper, hell I have stood 3 feet away from security guys many times and still checked a level now and again. Its neither here nor there in IMO. That being said, specific technics probably belong in a pm but really how serious is a guy making 8-10 bucks an hour for a 4-6 hour gig going to take his job to the point that he scours the internet to get a tip just to bust a guy only to tell the guy to put his rig away or take it to the car....really ::)

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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #82 on: June 30, 2012, 05:48:33 AM »
I could care less if it is talked about or not, I just don't think its a issue like it was before digital recorders and cell phones, I don't know if i am complacent or not but I don't even get nervous getting into venues anymore and I have never felt like security was looking for a taper, hell I have stood 3 feet away from security guys many times and still checked a level now and again. Its neither here nor there in IMO. That being said, specific technics probably belong in a pm but really how serious is a guy making 8-10 bucks an hour for a 4-6 hour gig going to take his job to the point that he scours the internet to get a tip just to bust a guy only to tell the guy to put his rig away or take it to the car....really ::)

This might be true in the US. In Europe things are different.
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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #83 on: June 30, 2012, 07:17:53 AM »
This might be true in the US. In Europe things are different.

No, they are not. If anything, stealthing here is easier than at most other places in the world.

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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #84 on: June 30, 2012, 07:26:51 AM »
This might be true in the US. In Europe things are different.

No, they are not. If anything, stealthing here is easier than at most other places in the world.

For audio yes.
For audio + video no.

See you're from Germany. Good luck stealthing audio+video there.
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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #85 on: June 30, 2012, 08:12:53 AM »
This might be true in the US. In Europe things are different.

No, they are not. If anything, stealthing here is easier than at most other places in the world.

For audio yes.
For audio + video no.

See you're from Germany. Good luck stealthing audio+video there.


Here in the UK it's super-easy to stealth audio, pat downs are rare and wands are almost unheard of. As for video? Yeah, if they say 'no cameras' then they mean 'no cameras'.
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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #86 on: June 30, 2012, 09:23:18 AM »
but really how serious is a guy making 8-10 bucks an hour for a 4-6 hour gig going to take his job to the point that he scours the internet to get a tip just to bust a guy only to tell the guy to put his rig away or take it to the car....really ::)

How about the director of the theatre who knows you by name, and may also sit next to you?  It isn't take it to the car, it is "you are banned" from a top venue in the country.  Really.

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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #87 on: June 30, 2012, 02:26:40 PM »
but really how serious is a guy making 8-10 bucks an hour for a 4-6 hour gig going to take his job to the point that he scours the internet to get a tip just to bust a guy only to tell the guy to put his rig away or take it to the car....really ::)

How about the director of the theatre who knows you by name, and may also sit next to you?  It isn't take it to the car, it is "you are banned" from a top venue in the country.  Really.

Almost happened to me doing audio + video in a small club somewhere in Europe. They even wanted to call the police.
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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #88 on: June 30, 2012, 09:13:04 PM »
but really how serious is a guy making 8-10 bucks an hour for a 4-6 hour gig going to take his job to the point that he scours the internet to get a tip just to bust a guy only to tell the guy to put his rig away or take it to the car....really ::)

How about the director of the theatre who knows you by name, and may also sit next to you?  It isn't take it to the car, it is "you are banned" from a top venue in the country.  Really.

^ This.

I've actually had that happen. There is a chunk of a tape I have, about 3 songs long, that is crap because she stood RIGHT NEXT TO ME as they scanned the crowd for stuff that wasn't allowed. I figured it better to trash that segment than get caught so I acted normal to prevent drawing attention to myself. Not the only time she did it either...

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Re: Poll: Should Stealth Discussion Be Stealth?
« Reply #89 on: July 02, 2012, 01:08:12 PM »
but really how serious is a guy making 8-10 bucks an hour for a 4-6 hour gig going to take his job to the point that he scours the internet to get a tip just to bust a guy only to tell the guy to put his rig away or take it to the car....really ::)

How about the director of the theatre who knows you by name, and may also sit next to you?  It isn't take it to the car, it is "you are banned" from a top venue in the country.  Really.

Exactly and I know for a fact this scenario has already happened. I think what a lot of folks here are missing is that information on this website has already been used to shut people down.  People are acting like just because they have never been busted it won't happen in the future. Why anyone wants to increase the risk is beyond my comprehension.
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