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Looking to do video recording
« on: March 16, 2011, 08:09:35 PM »
Looking at getting a video camera to record open taping bands (using a stand).  Looking for an HD cam under $500, any recommendations?  I am looking for one with a mic input to connect to my recorder/external mics to avoid post show editing (assuming that would be easier).   Any help would be appreciated
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Re: Looking to do video recording
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2011, 10:20:19 PM »
Would you prefer the videocamera to be tape based or hard drive/flash for storage?

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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2011, 11:21:16 PM »
Would you prefer the videocamera to be tape based or hard drive/flash for storage?

hard drive/flash...forgot to include that
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Re: Looking to do video recording
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2011, 10:22:19 AM »
Based on my experience you may want to stick with flash based for live music. I had a couple instances where hard drive based cams were shaken to the point of shutting down by the vibrations coming from the PA. Of course that would be dependent on cam positioning in relation to the sound source, SPL, etc... It was a hard lesson to learn at the time though.
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Re: Looking to do video recording
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2011, 02:03:09 PM »
I would suggest this ,has 64gb internal flash memory and mic and headphone inputs.....instant 350 bucks off until end of march.You will still need a BIG battery though...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/682488-REG/Canon_4060B001_VIXIA_HF21_Dual_Flash.html

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Re: Looking to do video recording
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2011, 11:02:21 PM »
This one looks interesting for the price - http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/671650-REG/Canon_4389B001_VIXIA_HF_R10_Dual.html

thanks for the link for the other camera, looks good as well.  What other battery would I need for something like that?  I don't plan on using this for more than around 3 hours at a time. 
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2011, 10:33:29 AM »
This battery.....with supplied battery you wont get more than 30mins.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/516704-REG/Canon_2383B002_BP_2L24H_Battery_Pack_2400mAh.html

Also with that cameras built in 8gb memory you can get 3 hrs record time at the LOWEST quality....5mbps that is not worth using you need the fxp highest bitrate mode....so better to go with the camera i linked earlier and ALWAYS record video at the highest bitrate possible.

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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2011, 11:27:11 AM »
Ah ok, thanks for the info and the links. 
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2011, 12:04:05 PM »
I PMed you a link for a used Canon hv30 with alot of extras from reputable person....

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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2011, 04:25:57 PM »
I PMed you a link for a used Canon hv30 with alot of extras from reputable person....

Thats what I have. Very Nice Cam.
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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2011, 06:31:06 PM »
That one looks nice but might be a little out of my price range at the moment, i'll have to see here soon. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2011, 07:41:17 AM »
I recently bought this one
http://hdcamcorders.art-speck.com/panasonic-hdc-sd600k-3mos-high-def-camcorder-2010/

Costed me about $450

I'm really happy with the image quality. It doesn't have mic input, but I tape audio separately these days so to me that doesn't matter... 
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Re: Looking to do video recording
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2011, 10:12:58 AM »
SD600 for a basically stripped down TM700.
HD2000 for a bit of an older one.

But I'm a fan of 60p, since syncing audio to it, is more possible if you have multiple camcorders without sync-ability.  And you can tweak the frame rate to 30p or 20p for web content.  And the 24p cadence isn't have bad either.  frame, skip 1, frame, skip 2, repeat.

What sort of recording / battery life are you looking for?  60 minutes continuous?  120 minutes continuous?  Or are most of your efforts < 20 minutes per clip?

I prefer an external audio recorder myself.  The camcorder is going to compress it to AAC/MP3 or who knows what.  And if you need to do some audio edits, only to turn around and compress it a second time, that is a bad thing.

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Re: Looking to do video recording
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2011, 01:46:19 PM »
I agree with you Shadow_7
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Re: Looking to do video recording
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2011, 08:16:27 PM »
SD600 for a basically stripped down TM700.
HD2000 for a bit of an older one.

But I'm a fan of 60p, since syncing audio to it, is more possible if you have multiple camcorders without sync-ability.  And you can tweak the frame rate to 30p or 20p for web content.  And the 24p cadence isn't have bad either.  frame, skip 1, frame, skip 2, repeat.

What sort of recording / battery life are you looking for?  60 minutes continuous?  120 minutes continuous?  Or are most of your efforts < 20 minutes per clip?

I prefer an external audio recorder myself.  The camcorder is going to compress it to AAC/MP3 or who knows what.  And if you need to do some audio edits, only to turn around and compress it a second time, that is a bad thing.

Looking to do entire shows, so probably around 3 hours tops.  Good point on the camcorder compressing the sound, didn't think about that.  Would just have to take some time to synch the audio to the video
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