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Naiant IPA
« on: March 16, 2016, 03:47:07 PM »
Jon, could you explain the IPA and how it can power microphone capsules, and which microphone capsules?  Who builds the cables for say the Schoeps caps, or the AKG caps?  I know of the Schoeps KCY and Nbob's, but nothing else.  Maybe other's might be curious as I am.

I haven't seen this thing discussed much other in the retail forum. 
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2016, 04:39:22 PM »
Mmmmm hoppy  :P
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2016, 05:46:30 PM »
Sounds very interesting. Since you say it's basically the PFA circuit, can we expect it to sound the same as the PFAs?
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2016, 05:51:14 PM »
I just ordered some.  Looking forward to trying it out.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2016, 10:22:43 PM »
Will the polarization option require external power or phantom?

Any idea on normal run times with internal?

I should have waited and tried a set! I just got in my 2nd set of pfa's with polarization.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2016, 02:56:03 AM »
I don't really understand how phantom power works with the IPA. I was always under the impression that a balanced cable was necessary for phantom power to work, but the stereo version of IPA seems to have unbalanced outputs only. How would I connect a stereo IPA to a recorder that has dual phantom-powered XLR inputs?
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2016, 10:25:49 AM »
Quote from: ~Jon Stoppable on March 17, 2016, 07:35:34 AM
You would use a Y cable (which would be impedance-balanced).

Is that just a plain cable that routes pin 2 of the IPA to the left channel's pin 2 and pin 3 of the IPA to the right channel's pin 2? Or would a small circuit be required?

I'd be interested in the IPA basically as a backup for my tinybox. But phantom power would be nice for occasionally using the "big rig". However, that only makes sense if there's a relatively cheap way for me to wire this up. Otherwise, a simple 3.5mm to dual line adapter would probably also do the job.

Also, a completely unrelated question about the battery that the IPA uses. Are there rechargeable versions of this?
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2016, 10:48:59 AM »
would this make CCM's > Sony M10 possible??
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2016, 11:50:54 AM »
I'm under the impression all you need is ( for Schoeps ) Schoeps caps, KCY, IPA, and a M10.   Is this correct?
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2016, 08:25:26 PM »
I got my pair in the mail a week or so ago.  Just got a chance to use them last weekend. 
Nice easy setup and a low profile.  I think the recordings sound pretty nice too. 
Very similar tone compared to my old Littlebox. To my ear anyway.

I forgot to brink my small flathead to play with the gain adjustment. 
Looking forward to putting them through their paces in the coming weeks.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2016, 10:18:54 AM »
Good to hear.  Please share some pictures of the IPA rig.  Thanks!
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2016, 11:23:22 AM »
I see "IPA's" in your sig line...are you using one for each MBHO? That was the case in order to run my Milab's balanced...
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2016, 11:53:17 AM »
Quote from: Hypnocracy on May 05, 2016, 11:23:22 AM
I see "IPA's" in your sig line...are you using one for each MBHO? That was the case in order to run my Milab's balanced...

Yes I have one for each microphone and a Y cable XLR to stereo mini to run into my M10.

I'll try to post some pictures soon.
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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2016, 01:47:22 PM »
Quote from: SxPxDxCx on May 05, 2016, 11:53:17 AM
Quote from: Hypnocracy on May 05, 2016, 11:23:22 AM
I see "IPA's" in your sig line...are you using one for each MBHO? That was the case in order to run my Milab's balanced...

Yes I have one for each microphone and a Y cable XLR to stereo mini to run into my M10.

I'll try to post some pictures soon.

Sorry to be the one to ask a dumb question..  Where is the phantom power coming from in this example? If I read correctly, the IPA can do 9V with its internal battery. I assume that is insufficient to power MBHOs (and Schoeps), correct?

But (again if I read it correctly) you can connect an external battery to the IPA, and then it can provide P48 -- is that right?

Finally -- it appears one could go Schoeps stereo pair>KCY>IPA>split XLR cable>deck, correct?  In this example, is it the case that:

A: The deck must provide P48 or
B: The deck can provide P48 OR you can connect a battery to the IPA and it can provide P48...

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Re: Naiant IPA
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2016, 08:47:21 PM »
Quote from: acidjack on May 05, 2016, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: SxPxDxCx on May 05, 2016, 11:53:17 AM
Quote from: Hypnocracy on May 05, 2016, 11:23:22 AM
I see "IPA's" in your sig line...are you using one for each MBHO? That was the case in order to run my Milab's balanced...

Yes I have one for each microphone and a Y cable XLR to stereo mini to run into my M10.

I'll try to post some pictures soon.

Sorry to be the one to ask a dumb question..  Where is the phantom power coming from in this example? If I read correctly, the IPA can do 9V with its internal battery. I assume that is insufficient to power MBHOs (and Schoeps), correct?

But (again if I read it correctly) you can connect an external battery to the IPA, and then it can provide P48 -- is that right?

Finally -- it appears one could go Schoeps stereo pair>KCY>IPA>split XLR cable>deck, correct?  In this example, is it the case that:

A: The deck must provide P48 or
B: The deck can provide P48 OR you can connect a battery to the IPA and it can provide P48...



I'm very curious of that exact same info AJ :) I've been slacking on new Naiant products and didn't even know of an IPA until I saw this thread 8)
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