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Re:some like it hot?
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2002, 04:26:39 PM »
here's the link http://www.oade.com/audiocenter/preamps.html

Cervin spun me up a copy of the Hookah show he taped at the Magic Bag in the Detroit area back in June.  Anyway, I believe it was the m148 he had in here, but man did it rock.  Hookah is usually a bass heavy band, and the m200's with the "brick" just rocked.  I know he loves his V2, but I guess I need to hear some more tapes of his rig.  They are pricey, but they are considered the "best" for live recording.

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Re:some like it hot?
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2002, 04:39:34 PM »
fixed gain @ 20db works.  i would love to field test one of these bad boys.  when i ran straight into my AD1000, i kept it at 20db always.  i like to be able to adjust the gain in the pre, but i guess i am just spoiled with the V2, and like to see the red lights flashing.  although i dont think i have ever run it hotter than 35 or 40db.  i guess the oades not an option with the mme, unless your sober enough to keep finding the cal pots.  whats your opinion on that?  

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Re:some like it hot?
« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2002, 04:47:42 PM »
The m148 is set at around 16 I believe, works out pretty good for me, I can run the a>d pretty hot. The m248 has gain settings, but I ve never used one so I cant comment on where they are set. I have had both a m148 and v2 for use with my 140s. I found both useable in different situations, but for more occasions, the oade was more preferable to my ears.
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Re:some like it hot?
« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2002, 04:54:52 PM »
i would love to hear some tapes.  since i am not going to go spend 1300 on one, and dont know anyone that owns one.  shoot me an email.  i am down trade something, to hear a 140>148 recording.  i run those mics, so i am very interested in different combos with them.  Thanks PEACE  
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Re:some like it hot?
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2002, 08:06:54 AM »
"although i dont think i have ever run it hotter than 35 or 40db"  :o  (gotta love these little guys!)  I don't think I've run mine any hotter than 20dB. I usually stick to 10dB or 15dB as that lets me run the modSBM-1 at nearly 10.  
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Re:some like it hot?
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2002, 01:15:34 PM »
little guys?  whats that supposed to mean.  i get better sound with more fire to the mics.  if they aren't pickin up all the sound they can, whats the point? a/d is just changing the signal,  highly overated.  believe me i have tryed it both ways.  i used to run an sbm-1 out of the V2, it just wasn't right with it up that high.  i kept the sbm down around 4.  what are you runnin, a stereo mic in the bathroom?  or probably those AKGs that sound like they have a paper bag over em.  its funny all the servers we upload shit to, rave that the tapes we make are some of the best they have ever heard.  educate yourself.

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Re:some like it hot?
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2002, 01:31:29 PM »
name doesn't seem to fit  :-\  As far as the little guy's I was talking about the faces you can put in the posts. Educate myself hummm... I think I've done that (Engr degree and currently going towards Integrated Vehicle System MSE)  The A/D uses a variable resistor therefore atteunating the signal (introduces noise) and that gain, well less is more really. Oh and your not doing anything to the mics, you just boost the signal with gain, it just makes it louder.  This also introduces noise.  I just commented on how much gain I use, never was knocking your preference.  You said you could live with the fixed gain of 20dB correct?? I once tried the V2 at 25dB and had to be at 4 on the modsbm-1 and that is not where I would like to run it. Thanks for your input though. I've run AKG 480's, but I currently run Microtech Geffel  M200 or M210>V2>modSBM-1. Curious to know your playback system??
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Re:some like it hot?
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2002, 03:17:30 PM »
Hey Phriendlyguy, mutual respect will make this forum much more fun!  I think he has a good point about how "hot" you run your V2.  Having owned one and loved it, and talking to Mike Grace about how he would run it since I owned unit #0002 which was his original prototype unit, I can give all V2 owners this advice.  Read the owner's manual where it talks about the red clipping lights!!!!!

I personally cannot imagine running the V2 to the point where the clipping lights come on. More gain equals more noise and more distortion.  I have always found that the best results are yielded by keeping all resistor circuits as open as possible.  However, all of us have different tastes and we should run our gear in a manner that satisfies them.  Every tech person I know understands that a variable resistor used as a level control should be set on or near maximum for the best possible performance.  As long as you can get enough level, a preamp on a low gain setting will sound cleaner .  

Now, having said all that, I have to say the noise and distortion is so low and headroom so high in the V2 that running it as high as 40 dB is not a problem in most instances.  However, I will stick to what the Mike Grace says....
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Re:some like it hot?
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2002, 05:17:54 PM »
sorry for getting defensive, i thought scervin ment that i didnt know what i was talking about.  i have run both ways, and red is good as far as i have heard.  read the manual, and tryed things tell i found the sound i liked.  if you guys want to e-mail me with you addresses i'll send you some of these robert shows we taped.  listen for yourselves.  i think different mics react differently to how hot the pre is, as the original post on this page.  i ran geffel 300s before i got the neumanns, and didnt run as hot, but still up around 30.  again i apologize for the disrespect.  get in touch. have some extras.  PEACE  
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Re:some like it hot?
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2002, 12:56:06 AM »
No problem Phriendlyguy, we all get passionate about our rigs and taping in general sometimes!!  I also want to clarify one more thing with this thread.

I run my Schoeps tubes hot, meaning my levels are peaking at roughly -2 to 0 the entire show.  I try to run them as hot as possible without overloading my circuits.  So, by leaving the resistor circuits on my NT222's wide open and cranking the P-1 to between 8-10 depending on the show I am still gettting the full dynamic range and therefore more sound on my tape without running the chance of clipping.


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Re:some like it hot?
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2002, 03:39:26 PM »
The m248 is a variable gain  PCB-based design.  The m148 is a fixed gain unit (20db).  The m248 was designed to add a HF emphasis generally to compensate for HF loss in Taper sections at venues like red rocks.   The m148 has a warmer tone that is in some ways tube-like...although it is infact a solid state design.  I like the m148 much better...and i have run both of them wuite a bit.  I find the m248 to be fatiguing...especially if run with mics like km140s, schoeps 4v;s...or other models which already feature a slight HF boost.  The m248 is out of production since what...like mid 1999.   I cant remember,  The m248 retailed for around 850 I believe...and the m148 (which doug still makes although the waiting list is considerably more than a year long) sells for 1300.   Both units, however, feature inpecable craftsmanship and will last a lifetime in the worst taping situations.  Designed by a taper for tapers...


DOug has said for a while he will be coming out with the m248i...which will be anoher mass-produced pcb-based deisgn that will be some what of an integration b/w the 148 and the 248.  Well see....he's been sayin this for like 2 years now.  His neck is still in bad shape...and he continues with surgery and recovery cycles.

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Re:some like it hot?
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2002, 02:05:32 PM »
hey thanks for the full update, i was really starting to wonder.

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Re:some like it hot?
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2002, 07:10:44 PM »
so the technical geek comes in a ruins this topic, way to go ben, i got the batteries by the way. thanks partner, hope you didn t mind me posting your picture on this here site.
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