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« on: April 29, 2003, 05:07:25 PM »

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Audio Technica (http://www.audiotechnica.com)

8410a  |  Very popular shockmounts.  (16.8mm - 28.8mm diameter mics)
8415   |  Not as popular as the 8410a, but great shockmounts IMO.  (12.7mm - 54.1mm diameter mics)

Sabrasom (http://www.sabrasom.com.br)

SSM-1  |  Some folks like 'em, some say they stink.  Pack up very compact/flat if that's important to you.

Schoeps  (http://www.schoeps.de)

A20   |  Pretty low profile.  (~20mm diameter mics)
A20S  |  The -S model just has stiffer elastic.

Tensimount  (http://www.tensimount.com)

Tensimount | Inexpensive, flexible for a variety of mic sizes.

Shure  (www.shure.com)

A53M  |  Nice shockmount.  (~18.75mm mics)

Superlux  (http://www.superlux.us/smalldiaphragm.html)

HM-30 | elastic sleeve instead of bands
HM-32 | elastic bands instead of sleeve, offers greater isolation than above

Cheap...$6 per!

Universal Microphone Shock Mount  (http://www.shockmount.com/)

Shock Mount | uses 4 elastic bands to secure virtually any diameter microphone
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Re:shockmount options
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2003, 04:54:46 PM »
the schoeps a20 will accept the neumann x-y/ortf bar just fine.

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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2011, 07:08:43 PM »
The Rycote InVision Broadcast a.k.a. INV Series shocks are awesome.  IMHO: These seem to be the best designed and most durable shocks per dollar.

http://www.rycote.com/products/invision_broadcast/

edit to add:-->Rycote InVision Brochure and Sizing Guide PDF

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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2011, 04:38:57 PM »
and most durable shocks per dollar.

Are they durable? I have not had one in my hands.
To me, it looks like it would be easy to break the clips or the support structure under them easily.
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2011, 05:07:00 PM »
It'd be interesting (and easy?) to do some shock mount testing....  Setup stand and mics at specific gain in a quiet room, drop object from known height next to stand, record thump, compare to other mounts, etc.

Though that wouldn't cover the case where the sound pressure vibrates the stand more directly.

A lot depends on whether you're recording loud material with 20dB of gain, or classical guitar at 55dB..

In photography, carbon fibre tripods are far more effective at dampening vibrations than aluminum.  Wood is also much better than aluminum.  Additionaly, each system has resonant frequencies that may make them better or worse than others.
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2011, 06:54:00 PM »
and most durable shocks per dollar.

Are they durable? I have not had one in my hands.
To me, it looks like it would be easy to break the clips or the support structure under them easily.

I wouldn't be worried about the clips (they are replaceable too). Its where they screw in that I'd have some worries on, and the hinge where the clip plate joins the threaded hole and tie off.
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2011, 10:50:45 AM »
and most durable shocks per dollar.

Are they durable? I have not had one in my hands.
To me, it looks like it would be easy to break the clips or the support structure under them easily.

The Rycote are the best and most durable around.

I have now ditched all my shock mounts and gone over to Rycote for everything.

You can put a Rycote on the floor, jump up and down on it, turn the Lyre inside out and tie it in knots.

No harm is done and it all returns to its normal shape.

They are perfect - and much much cheaper - and much better than the manufacturer originals.

I would use nothing else, whatever the mic.

(And, yes, I use the Rycote on my Neumanns as they are better than the Neumann suspensions).

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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2011, 11:31:22 PM »
and most durable shocks per dollar.

Are they durable? I have not had one in my hands.
To me, it looks like it would be easy to break the clips or the support structure under them easily.

The Rycote are the best and most durable around.

I have now ditched all my shock mounts and gone over to Rycote for everything.

You can put a Rycote on the floor, jump up and down on it, turn the Lyre inside out and tie it in knots.

No harm is done and it all returns to its normal shape.

They are perfect - and much much cheaper - and much better than the manufacturer originals.

I would use nothing else, whatever the mic.

(And, yes, I use the Rycote on my Neumanns as they are better than the Neumann suspensions).


Really? I might have to check them out then, John! They def look sweet.
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2011, 07:26:11 PM »
What's the difference between the INV-6 and INV-7?   Also both mention having a 3/8" thread adapter, so will that screw onto my Shure A27M vert bar and can these Rycotes adjust in different directions.  I just can't picture where the thread adapter is positioned on the shockmounts.


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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2011, 08:01:22 PM »
What's the difference between the INV-6 and INV-7?   Also both mention having a 3/8" thread adapter, so will that screw onto my Shure A27M vert bar and can these Rycotes adjust in different directions.  I just can't picture where the thread adapter is positioned on the shockmounts.


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The INV-7 has a longer bar length which can be set up as either the same length of a INV-6 or furthur apart as supplied to accommodate longer mics.

Basically, unless you need lowest profile the INV-7 is more versatile.
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2011, 08:19:20 PM »
thanks for the info DigiGal.  I appreciate it.   The akg 460's are kinda long so I should probably go with the INV-7, but then will the 3/8 thread adapter allow me to position the mounts the way I want after attaching to the Shure vert bar?   
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2011, 08:46:13 PM »
thanks for the info DigiGal.  I appreciate it.   The akg 460's are kinda long so I should probably go with the INV-7, but then will the 3/8 thread adapter allow me to position the mounts the way I want after attaching to the Shure vert bar?

You'd definitely need to use the thread adapters for attaching Rycote INV lyres on the Shure vert bar but it wouldn't impose a positioning problem.

Here is a photo of the supplied thread adapter which should help you visualize your setup... 
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2011, 09:37:05 PM »
The Shure vert bar has 5/8" threads coming out of it, the shock mount would have to have the 3/8 opening on the end to fit.  I can't see a full pic of the INV-6 or 7 anywhere.  By what you're showing me the Rycote wouldn't work to attach to the vert bar.  Unless I'm still misunderstanding.   A full pic of the Rycotes would help me see how it would fit on the Shure bar
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2011, 10:00:34 PM »
The Shure vert bar has 5/8" threads coming out of it, the shock mount would have to have the 3/8 opening on the end to fit.  I can't see a full pic of the INV-6 or 7 anywhere.  By what you're showing me the Rycote wouldn't work to attach to the vert bar.  Unless I'm still misunderstanding.   A full pic of the Rycotes would help me see how it would fit on the Shure bar

If you look at the top of the thread adapter those are 3/8" threads that are protruding, they will thread into the base of the Rycote INV Lyre mount.  Then the base base of the thread adapter is a female 5/8" 27 (mic) thread that attaches to the male 5/8" 27 (mic) thread on the Shure vert bar.  The thread adapter adds maybe only about a quarter of an inch of height to the Rycote INV Lyre.  It is an over site by Rycote that none of their stock photos show the thread adapters but it is really quite simple and fairly transparent when utilized.  Rycote are made in UK where 3/8" mic thread is standard unlike US where 5/8" 27 is the norm.

Here is an angled view of a thread adapter that may better represent what is happening...
<-- Thread Adapter     <-- Shure A27M Vert Bar


**Rycote INV-7 (Linked Image is Copyright All rights reserved by Rycote.com)**
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2011, 10:21:43 PM »
That's a perfect illustration so now I see that it would work.  It looks bigger in the illustration than it really is so I "think" it would be consider low pro to have these.  I currently have the Shure donuts which are too tight to fit the akg's.  I'm not about to grease up or talc up the akg bodies just to fit them in those donuts lol.

I was at a show last night with JD (I think it was him, his name is John) and he was clamped to me and I asked him about these but didn't ask him after the show when he took them down to demonstrate how they attach to the vert bar.


Thanks so much for the info!  So you think I should go with the INV-7's instead of the INV-6?


   
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2011, 10:28:20 PM »
Thanks so much for the info!  So you think I should go with the INV-7's instead of the INV-6?

Glad to help out - Definitely recommend INV-7's for AKG 460's

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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2011, 11:11:07 PM »
Great info, I really appreciate it.  I'm going to order them so I get them in time for my trip to Oregon for the Yonder String Summit.  I don't have time to mess with the Shure donuts anymore.  I wish I knew about these Rycotes before I wasted over $60 on the donuts.
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2011, 12:25:28 PM »
I use the Avantone SSM with my 460/480 and find it's about the lowest profile mount that really works.

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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2011, 03:15:42 PM »
I use the Avantone SSM with my 460/480 and find it's about the lowest profile mount that really works.

Does it have a 3/8 thread on the bottom to screw onto my Shure vert bar's 5/8 thread?
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2011, 08:44:41 PM »
It has 5/8 threads for either the Shure vert or standard mic bars.  The things are built like tanks, too.  Heavy, but unbreakable.

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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2011, 12:33:28 PM »
Great to know, thanks.  I"ll try these before spending a boatload on Rycotes which are like $130 a pair.
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2011, 07:45:27 PM »
and most durable shocks per dollar.

Are they durable? I have not had one in my hands.
To me, it looks like it would be easy to break the clips or the support structure under them easily.

The Rycote are the best and most durable around.

I have now ditched all my shock mounts and gone over to Rycote for everything.

You can put a Rycote on the floor, jump up and down on it, turn the Lyre inside out and tie it in knots.

No harm is done and it all returns to its normal shape.

They are perfect - and much much cheaper - and much better than the manufacturer originals.

I would use nothing else, whatever the mic.

(And, yes, I use the Rycote on my Neumanns as they are better than the Neumann suspensions).

This video give a good demonstration of the durability...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03eQKtftojE&feature=relmfu
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2012, 01:09:39 AM »
Also, the busman shocks are VERY NICE and are a remake of the Schoeps A20S but a hell of a lot cheaper :)
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Re: shockmount options [Rycote INV-HG mkII]
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2012, 02:48:17 PM »
Here is a Rycote INV-HG mkII used with a Vark Bar and clamped to a stand using a Mini Cardellini Microphone Clamp with 3/8".

It appears Rycote has recently replaced the mkII with a mkIII version, not sure what the difference is though.
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Re: shockmount options
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2013, 10:24:51 AM »
My DIY single shock mount solution for a small, light weight DIN mount:

http://www.timebetweenthenotes.com/review_shockmount.html

A good alternative to the heavy and clunky Shure a27m



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