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Re: New PRE Alert: Millennia HV-32P
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2016, 06:12:58 AM »
Noah, while I FN LOVE my VMS02IB, I'm not upset at ALL that I couldn't run the VMS for Phish this past Sunday! I just ran mk41>pfa>70d for PH/Syracuse, and IMO, it sounds as good as my VMS02IB probably would've! I think my mk41>70d sounds pretty good compared to Andy's mk41v>sxr4! And now that I saw you and Andy's setups from Portland, I'm jealous and now I want some 41v caps and a single bar setup lol ;D Anyway, what about a Schoeps VMS preamp if you can find one? The 02IB is smaller than the 32ub/52ub and a good bit smaller than the 5u!

I don't know what I'm trying to say? I guess I'm just trying to say that the grass isn't always greener on the other side ;) I really liked your mk22/mk3>Busman 70d stuff the most, from what you did this summer's tour, and thought it already sounded dank! That said, if you aren't happy with the way your rig sounds, then it definitely makes sense to switch things up and maybe get an external preamp 8)
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Re: New PRE Alert: Millennia HV-32P
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2016, 11:48:33 AM »
I'm bumping this in the hopes of getting more info from any users.

I love my mod dr-70d setup, but external preamps might take the Schoeps tapes to the next level. The Audioroot femto is another option, of course, but Millennia's reputation precedes them.

Another good option is the SD MixPre / Shure FP-24 on eBay (and here) every so often for under $400.  But I find my modded 70D equal in quality to the FP24 preamps until I need very high gain levels, since where the 70D starts to get noisy.  But even recording 100% acoustic / classical music, I never need to go there.  The 70D is always set to MID or even LOW gain.   The FP24 only gets used when I need 6 channels going, and it's feeding into the M10.

I'm sure this Millennia is outstanding, but I think we're now getting to the point where a lot of built-in preamps are plenty good enough and externals are not needed.  If you are recording highly detailed music in a quiet hall which will allow you to hear those fine differences (i.e. not stack taping) then maybe you will hear the benefit from an external pre.  But at that highest level of performance, it would probably make more sense to have a one-box professional solution from SD, Nagra, Sonosax, etc.

Volt, I forgot - which mod does your 70 have? Thanks!
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Re: New PRE Alert: Millennia HV-32P
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2016, 12:03:14 PM »
I'm bumping this in the hopes of getting more info from any users.

I love my mod dr-70d setup, but external preamps might take the Schoeps tapes to the next level. The Audioroot femto is another option, of course, but Millennia's reputation precedes them.

Another good option is the SD MixPre / Shure FP-24 on eBay (and here) every so often for under $400.  But I find my modded 70D equal in quality to the FP24 preamps until I need very high gain levels, since where the 70D starts to get noisy.  But even recording 100% acoustic / classical music, I never need to go there.  The 70D is always set to MID or even LOW gain.   The FP24 only gets used when I need 6 channels going, and it's feeding into the M10.

I'm sure this Millennia is outstanding, but I think we're now getting to the point where a lot of built-in preamps are plenty good enough and externals are not needed.  If you are recording highly detailed music in a quiet hall which will allow you to hear those fine differences (i.e. not stack taping) then maybe you will hear the benefit from an external pre.  But at that highest level of performance, it would probably make more sense to have a one-box professional solution from SD, Nagra, Sonosax, etc.

Volt, I forgot - which mod does your 70 have? Thanks!

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Re: New PRE Alert: Millennia HV-32P
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2016, 12:52:54 PM »
Duh......if I had looked at your signature line, I would have seen it :facepalm: Going to see Steve Miller and imbibing too much on a school night makes for a bad Monday. Thanks!
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Re: New PRE Alert: Millennia HV-32P
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2016, 10:12:36 PM »
...if you aren't happy with the way your rig sounds, then it definitely makes sense to switch things up and maybe get an external preamp 8)

I'm not unhappy with the way my rig sounds.

I just have the same insatiable drive for more and better gear like the rest of you sluts.

The truth is, I think the transducers make most of the difference.

Nonetheless, the Millennia seems like the kind of thing tapers would be into these days- 4 separate preamp flavors into a f8
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Re: New PRE Alert: Millennia HV-32P
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2017, 11:11:33 PM »
I'm having trouble between deciding which preamp to spring for. I think I've narrowed it down to the following three:

1. https://www.mil-media.com/HV-32P.html
2. http://rupertneve.com/products/portico-5012/
3. http://www.puebloaudio.com/isleta---battery-preamp.html

Any thoughts?
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Re: New PRE Alert: Millennia HV-32P
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2017, 12:26:08 AM »
Tough decision to make.   ;D

FWIW, here are some random thoughts in no particular order.

The Portico and the Millennia are very different sounding preamps (keeping in mind that, IMHO, the sound distinction between preamps has been somewhat oversold).

See the mic preamp graph from the listening sessions:

http://www.prostudioreviews.com/mic-preamp-graph.html

Millennia and Neve Portico inhabit opposite ends of the graph.

I don't know where Pueblo falls on this graph, but knowing some of the users of the current Pueblo preamp line from GS and what they record, I would expect it to fall on the transparent end.

I have one old converted module Neve preamp (not the more modern Portico line) and I would say it is certainly not a "clean" pre.  I have a couple Millennia TD-1s (which have the HV-3 preamp), which are just great, but really too large and heavy for location recording of the type that we do here.  I really like the sound (and having Millennia EQ and DI is a bonus), so I would not be at all averse having that type of clean/transparent preamp in a smaller more portable package.

More bells and whistles with Millennia and Neve.

More gain with Pueblo.

I don't know what the Pueblo will weigh in at, but the Millennia is significantly lighter than the Neve (3 pounds compared to 8 pounds) - and smaller too.  A 5 pound weight differential is pretty significant to me.

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Re: New PRE Alert: Millennia HV-32P
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2017, 07:54:20 AM »
See the mic preamp graph from the listening sessions:

http://www.prostudioreviews.com/mic-preamp-graph.html

Millennia and Neve Portico inhabit opposite ends of the graph.

I suspect the Neve is rated "colored" assuming the "silk" mode is engaged. One of the things that I find attractive about that unit is the ability to both use and defeat that mode (though in general, I think it's better to add "color" in post with DSP).

Thanks for the other comments, though, weight is always an issue.
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Re: New PRE Alert: Millennia HV-32P
« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2017, 09:50:23 AM »
I've never run one..  but the Portico is sweet!!  Normal mode is more transparent than the silk mode IMO, but the silk mode has that Neve smoothness.  The thing is a beast though..  big and heavy compared to most "portable" units these days.  It sounds great with Schoeps IMO. 
The sonic "color" of Neve is a preference...  either you like it or don't.  Somewhat similar in the way that the Apogee pre amps have a sonic "color".  Either you like the Apogee sound or you don't.
There are a number of people on TS that use the 5012..  ask around for opinions on it.
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