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Panasonic has announced a brand new compact camera entitled TZ100 in the EU (TZ101 in Germany) and ZS100 in the US at the CES in Vegas which includes following specs:

1 Inch Sensor (probably from Sony)
10x optical Zoom (37-370mm in 4k Video)
20x intelligent zoom
F 2.8-5.9 lens (f4 reached with 70mm kb equivalent)
4k 25/30p video (max. 15min sequence)
manual P/A/S/M and iA settings in both photo and movie possible
live viewfinder

available in March 2016

The only downhill compared to the RX100 models would be the F 2.8-5.9 aperture, otherwise it would beat those by far.
If you need more than 160mm focal length (like the LX100 or RX100 III / IV) this should be the best one available for now if you don't go for DSLR or bridge cams.
« Last Edit: January 06, 2016, 03:00:43 PM by sckofelng »
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Panasonic DMC-TZ100 (manual settings)
Panasonic DMC-LX100 (manual settings)

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I currently still use a ZS7 from many years ago, mainly  because it shoots unlimited in 720P.  I'm thinking of upgrading, and this is how I think the models progressed over the years:

ZS7 to ZS20 to ZS40 to ZS50, now to ZS100.

ZS7 has a decent 12x zoom
ZS20 went to 20X
ZS50 went to 30X

From the specs of the ZS100, it looks like there is a larger sensor, but the zoom is now down to 10x, slightly less than my ZS7.   

Is my understanding correct?  I can get a decent shot from most seats in an arena with a ZS7.  Will I notice a big change zoom-wise going from 12x to 10x, or is there some other lens math I should also look at?

I'm thinking maybe the ZS20 or ZS50 is what I should be looking at perhaps.

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Well the Number of times you can zoom in the picture matters almost 0.

What matters is the focal length and the ZS7 has a focal length of 25-300mm if i am not mistaken (maybe a bit more when shooting in 720p HD)
However, the ZS100 has a twist in that:
If you film in FullHD  the focal length goes from 28mm to 280mm, but the focal length in 4k video mode moves from 28mm start to 37mm start, giving it a total focal length of 37mm-370mm aka more than the ZS7.
The only disadvantage would be the 15 min limit which is also installed on the US models, but I think there is no limit when shooting in FullHD.

The 4x bigger sensor makes it worth it if you ask me.. and you can still add the intelligent zoom in emergency cases which should still look better than the ZS7 with optical zoom only.
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Panasonic DMC-TZ100 (manual settings)
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Looks to me as the ZS50 has the longest focal length  24mm -720mm.

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Yeah but a 4x smaller sensor, I'm pretty sure the ZS100 performs better with i.zoom than the ZS50 with optical zoom, especially if 4k gets downscaled to FullHD. The ZS50 has 30mm-900mm focal length when recording FullHD video (source Panasonic specs).
 I'm not sure if anyone would need it that much when filming open with a digicam quite close to the stage anyway, but that is just my opinion right here.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2016, 04:51:27 PM by sckofelng »
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Panasonic DMC-TZ100 (manual settings)
Panasonic DMC-LX100 (manual settings)

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Thanks for explaining some of the math to me.  It's starting to make sense.   I appreciate you guys commenting on this.  I'm just learning to read the specs.

I see that the new ZS100 does have a 1 inch sensor.  A 1 inch sensor is 4x better than a 1/2.3 sensor because the area is 4 times larger, correct?  I'm guessing then that the ZS100 should be fairly decent in low light.

Do you know what the shooting modes are on the ZS100?  You mention a 15 min limit.  The ZS7 lets me shoot 720P unlimited.  Might there be a similar mode on the ZS100?  I understand that above 720P, there is a 30 min limit.  Is the 4K 15 min limit a 4GB file issue? Do the models between the ZS7 and ZS50 have 30 min limit, too?   For filming 90min to 2 hr shows, 30 min isn't a bad place to start and stop.  15 min might be a little tougher to work with.


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Thanks for explaining some of the math to me.  It's starting to make sense.   I appreciate you guys commenting on this.  I'm just learning to read the specs.

I see that the new ZS100 does have a 1 inch sensor.  A 1 inch sensor is 4x better than a 1/2.3 sensor because the area is 4 times larger, correct?  I'm guessing then that the ZS100 should be fairly decent in low light.

Do you know what the shooting modes are on the ZS100?  You mention a 15 min limit.  The ZS7 lets me shoot 720P unlimited.  Might there be a similar mode on the ZS100?  I understand that above 720P, there is a 30 min limit.  Is the 4K 15 min limit a 4GB file issue? Do the models between the ZS7 and ZS50 have 30 min limit, too?   For filming 90min to 2 hr shows, 30 min isn't a bad place to start and stop.  15 min might be a little tougher to work with.

No problem, anytime :)

Yes it is 4x larger and also, much more area of it is being used because only a part of the sensor is being used at both FULLHD and 4k Digicams because the pixel count is much higher than the video resolution. I don't know how many pixels the previous models made use of, but the camcorders used much less parts of the sensor because less pixels were only needed for the FullHD resolution. That meant less light could be captured aka less lowlight ability.
That also changes a bit with 4k. Approx. 8 mpx is the 4k resolution and therefore much more space of the sensor can be used. The ZS100 will be the new referrence of the bigger zoom compact cameras most likely.

As for the limits, Panasonic changed their policy of giving the non-european consumers unlimited video for these compact cameras to prevent people from stopping buying DSLRs or Camcorders. It's no 4 GB limit, 15mins should be around 10-11 GB. I don't know if it's the case but the ZS100 could be capable of doing unlimited FullHD video. All models between the ZS7 to ZS50 had the limit in Europe at least, don't know about models outside of Europe.

However, if you leave that out, you have 4 modes of (half) manual settings where you can set ISO, focus, aperture, white balance). It does not have the Cinematic profiles like the FZ1000 but the standard profile might do well, too. If you don't want to get into the manual settings then there are also intelligent automatic settings available. As for me, I always shoot manual because it lets me have all the control of the picture which I always wanted. If you have short songs to film, the 15min limit is not a big issue for me, but if you have long songs to film it can be nerve wrecking for sure.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2016, 03:44:29 PM by sckofelng »
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Panasonic DMC-TZ100 (manual settings)
Panasonic DMC-LX100 (manual settings)

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Thanks for the news on the new camera. Great specs!
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First concert sample is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrBgEyBytak

My opinion on first sight: as good as FZ1000 until there, but might be a slight little worse at full zoom due to the f 5.9 aperture. I can't wait to tape with this one this summer!!
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Video:
Panasonic DMC-TZ100 (manual settings)
Panasonic DMC-LX100 (manual settings)

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First concert sample is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrBgEyBytak

Maybe it was just an anomaly for the ZS100, but I see it go out of focus at the 40 second mark ... and it reminded me of my Panasonic Lumix experience (forget the model numbers - I've had two over the years).  It's a big reason why I switched to Sony around 4-5 years ago and haven't ever gone back. 
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I was noticing that too, but it looked like that guy was playing with the manual ring too fast because it wasn't even trying to focus back on its own after it went out of focus.
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Panasonic DMC-TZ100 (manual settings)
Panasonic DMC-LX100 (manual settings)

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I assumed that was auto-focus.  Hopefully the filmer can clarify.  It used to drive me crazy ... every time I zoomed in or out, the camera went out of focus for a second or two.
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I experienced the same with my FZ1000 but somehow found a way to avoid it (not zooming while agressive lights are there) and I had many less problems with the LX100, that one seemed to focus much superior.
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Panasonic DMC-TZ100 (manual settings)
Panasonic DMC-LX100 (manual settings)

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A 4K video I shot on my ZS100 that I down converted to 1080p. Only downconverted it because I didn't have the 4K presets for Adobe Media Encoder CS6.

The video was synced in Adobe Premiere Pro CS6 with an audio recording I did with a pair of CA-11s >> Ugly II Pre-Amp >> Edirol R-09HR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THhWksKvNKw

Shot a lot of photos and video with the ZS100 at Coachella last weekend. Have to say I'm thoroughly impressed with the results.

Some of my photo highlights
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.821074408036040.1073742116.153430858133735&type=3
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.821644364645711.1073742117.153430858133735&type=3
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.822244757919005.1073742118.153430858133735&type=3
I shoot concert video and post my footage to YouTube
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Panasonic ZS100 digital camera
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Holy shit, I just watched the Ice Cube videos and those looked even more amazing, I am freaking excited to have it for my summer :)
Audio rig:
AT853 (w/ lowsensmod) > SP-SB11 > Sony PCM-M10

Video:
Panasonic DMC-TZ100 (manual settings)
Panasonic DMC-LX100 (manual settings)

 

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