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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2015, 04:17:41 PM »
dpa 4061's, they'll handle ANYTHING and it usually sounds great. I bought mine offa EBay, what they call the Broadway sellers, formerly used in Broadway plays. I maintain mine were owned by Tommy Tune, thusly they are looking good even for their age. BTW. don't discount the use of your on board mics on the m10. A friend of mine in Mexico City uses them exclusively and gets some pretty good results. He goes by black orchid on Dime a Dozen

here's a recent show he did with m10 internals, I think it sounds GREAT!

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=549684

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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2015, 04:33:10 PM »
The M10 internals may not be a disaster in a pinch, but if you have pretty much any external mics, you're going to get better results.

Nothing against the 4061s, but since you already have omnis (your CSBs), I'd strongly recommend picking up a pair of cardioids as an alternate. (Acidjack's recommendation of hitting up Sound Professionals for both cards and a battery box is an excellent one, though I haven't heard that particular set of mics.) That way you have options for two very different recording situations. That and a whole bunch of trial and error should go a long way toward helping you figure out if you're happy with the results you're getting, or want to go down the slippery slope of endless upgrades.

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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2015, 06:18:32 AM »
I've made my purchases:

The Sony M10:
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-PCM-M10-Portable-Recorder-microSDHC/dp/B00R6S0T7S/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1451560516&sr=1-2&keywords=sony+m10+recorder

Premium Cardioid Beyerdynamic Stereo Microphones:
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/MS-CMC-26

Micro-mini microphone power supply with adjustable bass roll off:
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-SPSB-11

I'll be sure to let you all know how it works out for me. Thank you again for all of the suggestions.

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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2015, 07:44:10 AM »
Sounds like a great setup.My only concern is we still dont know if the SP beyers need the 4.7 k mod or not.

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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2015, 08:36:09 AM »
Looks outstanding! Very interested to hear how the CMC-26s fare in a loud rock environment.

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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2015, 11:47:06 AM »
Nice job. Also, remember to NOT use that bass rolloff -- always better to do that stuff in post.
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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2015, 12:18:48 PM »
Always happy to see more tapers of metal and other heavy stuff
"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." - Denis Diderot:

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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2015, 12:35:58 PM »
Always happy to see more tapers of metal and other heavy stuff

I was actually checking out your Riot Fest recordings last night. I'm from Chicago, and was at the Chicago Riot Fest this past year. I'm really feeling fortunate to have seen Motorhead for the last time, but am kicking myself for not recording it. Oh well.

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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2015, 12:39:41 PM »
Sounds like a great setup.My only concern is we still dont know if the SP beyers need the 4.7 k mod or not.

I should have mentioned that I did get the low sensitivity option. We'll know soon enough.

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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2015, 02:04:11 PM »
Always happy to see more tapers of metal and other heavy stuff

I was actually checking out your Riot Fest recordings last night. I'm from Chicago, and was at the Chicago Riot Fest this past year. I'm really feeling fortunate to have seen Motorhead for the last time, but am kicking myself for not recording it. Oh well.

Yeah I was bummed that they canceled in Denver.  I'd seen Motorhead a bunch of times before though.  RIP Lemmy
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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2015, 02:43:09 PM »
Nice job. Also, remember to NOT use that bass rolloff -- always better to do that stuff in post.

Fight! Fight!

(Actually, running 24-bit on the M10, you should have plenty of headroom to not use the rolloff. But I personally wouldn't say that you should absolutely *never* use it, if it seems like it'll accomplish what you'd do in post anyway.)
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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2015, 05:33:43 PM »
looks like a good setup!

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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2016, 06:52:12 AM »
I've made my purchases:

Sony M10
Premium Cardioid Beyerdynamic Stereo Microphones
Micro-mini microphone power supply with adjustable bass roll off


I'll be sure to let you all know how it works out for me. Thank you again for all of the suggestions.

curious to hear some samples and reports after your first try,
our board still needs some facts how this little beyers work for loud rock stuff, ...
good luck and happy taping !
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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2016, 11:34:37 AM »
Do remember that the cardioids are directional, so you have less leeway to move around than you did with the CS Binaurals. They should always be facing the best sound source  (which might be the stacks, not the stage), and you'll get variations in volume  if you swing around. So don't mount them on your glasses if you are going to be headbanging :) 

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Re: Metalhead stealth taper here - need some suggestions
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2016, 08:57:24 AM »
My new  >:D Rig:
Sony PCM-M10 + SP-SPSB-4 microphone plug-in power supply +  SP-CMC8 with Low Sens mod mounted on croakies

(pillowman: Ran the last Evi Vine shows with that rig great result even without EQ. for the Acoustic Sixtina Recording i went into mic in instead of line in)
2015 rig: CA-11 -> CA-9100 -> PCM-M10
2016 rig: Sony PCM-M10 + SP-SPSB-4 microphone plug-in power supply +  SP-CMC8 with Low Sens mod
[backup: CA-9100 - Tascam DR-05 Firmware 2.0 + Yamaha Pocketrak W24]
video 2016: Casio EX-100 HS (same as Olympus Stylus1 - but much smaller - japan import not availiable in EU)

 

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