Call me curious. Actually, I'm thinking big and looking ahead.Personally, I'd say CMC-4's clipped on visor or hat > Batt Box > MD (or JB3 if you can afford the bulkiness/size) would work pretty well. If you can afford it and still stealth it, maybe Batt Box > AD20 > md/jb3 ?
What is your idea of the perfect stealth rig? 8)
(If you can include ballpark prices, that would be great!)
You'll likely get a whole slew of different answers as we all have different preferences: tolerances on size/bulk, battery/power consumption, and of course sonic signatures of our mics/pres/ADCs/playback systems, etc. For me, the perfect stealth gear is:Wow, could you really get all that in? That's way better than my stealth setup, but I always worry about getting busted and walking out with nothing, so I go as small as possible.
Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100
Ballpark price: around three grand (and reflecting on that price, damnit I've gotta get out and stealth more!). I've thought about throwing a modSBM-1 in the mix and may do so in the future, but am not sure I want to schlep around another piece of gear in my crotch. :P
Actually, I take it back - best stealth setup is MK41 / KC5 / CMC6 > V3 > NJB3, but I can only swing that setup when I don't have to crotch the gear!
Wow, could you really get all that in? That's way better than my stealth setup, but I always worry about getting busted and walking out with nothing, so I go as small as possible.
I'm looking for something really compact.
I'm looking for something really compact. Most of the venues I go to search and have metal detectors, so I'm interested in equipment that will be easy to get through security.This is why I like MD for stealth. You can just plug in headphones and then you don't even have to hide it.
If you can get into a good location
If you can get into a good location
Ahhh, which brings up another question. Just what is a "good" location?
I was under the impression that the best place to record from was a ways back and centered.
However, here I've read alot about getting up close to one of the stacks.
Hey Brian, out of curiosity how big is the Sanosax compared to a PS2/AD20 combo?
I can't get both of those in + all my other stuff. Recording with AT853s and phantom power modules almost seems like recording with actives and bodies, but minus the great sound.
Sax: 5.75" x 3.40" x 1.60" | XLR ins on 5.75" x 1.60" side, outs on opposite 5.75" x 1.60" sideAdding right-angle connectors to the inputs increases the 3.40" dimension about +1". On my unit the XLR inputs are replaced with a 5-pin binder plug that matches my KCY cable. For outputs, I always use the 1/8" stereo out. If all this makes no sense, check out the pics on the Sonosax website (http://www.sonosax.ch) or in my Rig Pics post (http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=17754.msg223775#msg223775) (the XLR ins attach in the same place as the KCY cable from my Schoeps caps), or in Dr. Phob's Rig Pics post (http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=23066.msg288910#msg288910) (you can see the 1/8" stereo line-out, the XLR ins attach on the same face plate).
PS2: 4.00" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, outs via cable from the other 3.00" x 1.25" side
AD20: 5.75" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, coax/optical out on 5.75" x 1.25" side
Hey Brian, out of curiosity how big is the Sanosax compared to a PS2/AD20 combo?
I can't get both of those in + all my other stuff. Recording with AT853s and phantom power modules almost seems like recording with actives and bodies, but minus the great sound.
Lazy bum! :PSax: 5.75" x 3.40" x 1.60" | XLR ins on 5.75" x 1.60" side, outs on opposite 5.75" x 1.60" sideAdding right-angle connectors to the inputs increases the 3.40" dimension about +1". On my unit the XLR inputs are replaced with a 5-pin binder plug that matches my KCY cable. For outputs, I always use the 1/8" stereo out. If all this makes no sense, check out the pics on the Sonosax website (http://www.sonosax.ch) or in my Rig Pics post (http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=17754.msg223775#msg223775) (the XLR ins attach in the same place as the KCY cable from my Schoeps caps), or in Dr. Phob's Rig Pics post (http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=23066.msg288910#msg288910) (you can see the 1/8" stereo line-out, the XLR ins attach on the same face plate).
PS2: 4.00" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, outs via cable from the other 3.00" x 1.25" side
AD20: 5.75" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, coax/optical out on 5.75" x 1.25" side
Lazy and on dial up what can I say. ::) Thanks, + to you.
I know I'll end up getting an MP2 (if I can find one) or a sax, PS2/AD20 is almost too bulky.
The MP-2 from Sound Devices is a studio-quality two-channel, portable, stereo microphone preamplifier. With its impressive audio performance and comprehensive list of features including headphone monitoring, metering and MS Stereo Matrix, the MP-2 is a flexible front-end device for professional studio and field applications. Studio, location, and live music engineers value the compact size and ability to withstand extremes in the field. The MP-2 combines rugged mechanical and electronic construction, compact size, and high-quality components. The MP-2 allows no-compromise performance for any application.
Hey Brian, out of curiosity how big is the Sanosax compared to a PS2/AD20 combo?
I can't get both of those in + all my other stuff. Recording with AT853s and phantom power modules almost seems like recording with actives and bodies, but minus the great sound.
Lazy bum! :PSax: 5.75" x 3.40" x 1.60" | XLR ins on 5.75" x 1.60" side, outs on opposite 5.75" x 1.60" sideAdding right-angle connectors to the inputs increases the 3.40" dimension about +1". On my unit the XLR inputs are replaced with a 5-pin binder plug that matches my KCY cable. For outputs, I always use the 1/8" stereo out. If all this makes no sense, check out the pics on the Sonosax website (http://www.sonosax.ch) or in my Rig Pics post (http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=17754.msg223775#msg223775) (the XLR ins attach in the same place as the KCY cable from my Schoeps caps), or in Dr. Phob's Rig Pics post (http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=23066.msg288910#msg288910) (you can see the 1/8" stereo line-out, the XLR ins attach on the same face plate).
PS2: 4.00" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, outs via cable from the other 3.00" x 1.25" side
AD20: 5.75" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, coax/optical out on 5.75" x 1.25" side
Lazy and on dial up what can I say. ::) Thanks, + to you.
I know I'll end up getting an MP2 (if I can find one) or a sax, PS2/AD20 is almost too bulky.
Wow, could you really get all that in? That's way better than my stealth setup, but I always worry about getting busted and walking out with nothing, so I go as small as possible.
Yup. The stealth setup (Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100) is easy - fits down my pants. Haven't had to go through a metal detector yet, but I know a buddy with the exact same setup who's gotten through detectors (don't know if he didn't set them off or told them he had a cock ring or what).
Getting the full setup in (MK41 / KC5 / CMC6 > V3 > NJB3) is easy with a small fanny pack if they're not patting down.
I'm looking for something really compact.
If you can get into a good location, it's tough to beat the size/performance of something like DPA 4061 > MPS-something-or-other battery box, forget the model name) > D100/M1 or MD or NJB3.
I'm sure someone will chime in with the Sound Professionals and/or AT mic stealth setups as well - great size/performance on a budget.
I use the MIC 2496 covers all the bases, phantom, gain, adc.
Dimensions: 5-1/16" L x 3" W x 1-3/8" H
HERE (http://www.core-sound.com/Mic2496.html)
I like the sound a lot better with my micros than the ps2/ad20 combo.
Hey Brian, out of curiosity how big is the Sanosax compared to a PS2/AD20 combo?
I can't get both of those in + all my other stuff. Recording with AT853s and phantom power modules almost seems like recording with actives and bodies, but minus the great sound.
Lazy bum! :PSax: 5.75" x 3.40" x 1.60" | XLR ins on 5.75" x 1.60" side, outs on opposite 5.75" x 1.60" sideAdding right-angle connectors to the inputs increases the 3.40" dimension about +1". On my unit the XLR inputs are replaced with a 5-pin binder plug that matches my KCY cable. For outputs, I always use the 1/8" stereo out. If all this makes no sense, check out the pics on the Sonosax website (http://www.sonosax.ch) or in my Rig Pics post (http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=17754.msg223775#msg223775) (the XLR ins attach in the same place as the KCY cable from my Schoeps caps), or in Dr. Phob's Rig Pics post (http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=23066.msg288910#msg288910) (you can see the 1/8" stereo line-out, the XLR ins attach on the same face plate).
PS2: 4.00" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, outs via cable from the other 3.00" x 1.25" side
AD20: 5.75" x 3.00" x 1.25" | XLR ins on 3.00" x 1.25" side, coax/optical out on 5.75" x 1.25" side
Lazy and on dial up what can I say. ::) Thanks, + to you.
I know I'll end up getting an MP2 (if I can find one) or a sax, PS2/AD20 is almost too bulky.
I use the MIC 2496 covers all the bases, phantom, gain, adc.
Dimensions: 5-1/16" L x 3" W x 1-3/8" H
HERE (http://www.core-sound.com/Mic2496.html)
I like the sound a lot better with my micros than the ps2/ad20 combo.
>>Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100<<
does the rear lobe of the hypers hurt in a stealth situation though? i love the fact that my cards have very great rear rejection. hypers would pick up the guy yapping behind you more, woudln't they?
Wow, could you really get all that in? That's way better than my stealth setup, but I always worry about getting busted and walking out with nothing, so I go as small as possible.
Yup. The stealth setup (Schoeps MK41 (hypers) / Schoeps KCY 250/2Ig > Sonosax SX-M2/LS2 > Sony D100) is easy - fits down my pants. Haven't had to go through a metal detector yet, but I know a buddy with the exact same setup who's gotten through detectors (don't know if he didn't set them off or told them he had a cock ring or what).
853 > mp2 > m1/d100 rocks the boat although mod460 > m148 > ad1000 > DAT is rocking too if you can swing it
In the 13 1/2 years since this topic was posted things have undoubtably changed.From the looks of the gear you have your in pretty good shape.
So, what is now considered to be the 'perfect stealth rig?
Gear suggestions only please, techniques only via PM, dont wanna see the Hoff!
Thanks in advance
In the 13 1/2 years since this topic was posted things have undoubtably changed.From the looks of the gear you have your in pretty good shape.
So, what is now considered to be the 'perfect stealth rig?
Gear suggestions only please, techniques only via PM, dont wanna see the Hoff!
Thanks in advance
In the 13 1/2 years since this topic was posted things have undoubtably changed.you already own the "perfect rig" based on your sig
So, what is now considered to be the 'perfect stealth rig?
Gear suggestions only please, techniques only via PM, dont wanna see the Hoff!
Thanks in advance
I have what I would consider the perfect stealth rig. Schoeps MK4/MK41, actives, NBox Platinum, Tascam DR-2D.
Haven't used it yet, but will soon be running DPA > D:vice > iphone. Pretty excited about the potential there...
CCM4>Tinybox>M10 has been good to me. Super long battery life on Tinybox and M10 both and is a rig about as small as I have ever seen.Shes fully retired from the hobby.
I miss Josephine and her contributions. I wish she would come back.
CCM4>Tinybox>M10 has been good to me. Super long battery life on Tinybox and M10 both and is a rig about as small as I have ever seen.Shes fully retired from the hobby.
I miss Josephine and her contributions. I wish she would come back.
Sold off her gear years ago.
Hello. I would like to ask you if there is a recorder like Sony m10 without mics and headphone?
Schoeps ccm4>tinybox>r05
Dpa4022>sonosax>r05
Dpa4061>mma6000>r05
^
I love my DPA d:screet 4060 mics > d:vice > iPhone. Personally, it's pretty much fool proof and can be used anywhere without issue. Granted, I'm recording the drunk asshat next to me but if I'm using Schoeps MK41s > nBox > recorder, I'm also recording said drunk wook so it really makes little difference to me. I prefer not to be a human mic stand so the 4060's are my current go to.
I like this rig a lot for metal detector stealth.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/978/40819461335_0f103a5353_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25c5pJ8)IMG_7490 2 (https://flic.kr/p/25c5pJ8) by Steve Brothers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25804312@N05/), on Flickr
I like this rig a lot for metal detector stealth.pardon my ignorance but when you say metal detector stealth are you saying that the metal detectors don't pick this up or just that the equipment looks innocuous enough that you don't get hassled?
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/978/40819461335_0f103a5353_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25c5pJ8)IMG_7490 2 (https://flic.kr/p/25c5pJ8) by Steve Brothers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25804312@N05/), on Flickr
^ if your DPAs terminate to microdots, which I assume is the case since you use the MMA6000, then yes.
However, only the newer 40xx discrete capsules can be connected to the newer MMA-GR/GS cables that terminate to microdots can be run with the MMA d:vice "puck". The older 402x line will not pair with the d:vice, however.
^ if your DPAs terminate to microdots, which I assume is the case since you use the MMA6000, then yes.
However, only the newer 40xx discrete capsules can be connected to the newer MMA-GR/GS cables that terminate to microdots can be run with the MMA d:vice "puck". The older 402x line will not pair with the d:vice, however.
Wow.... I had no idea that was the case. That is unbelievably awesome.
^ if your DPAs terminate to microdots, which I assume is the case since you use the MMA6000, then yes.
However, only the newer 40xx discrete capsules can be connected to the newer MMA-GR/GS cables that terminate to microdots can be run with the MMA d:vice "puck". The older 402x line will not pair with the d:vice, however.
Wow.... I had no idea that was the case. That is unbelievably awesome.
^ if your DPAs terminate to microdots, which I assume is the case since you use the MMA6000, then yes.
However, only the newer 40xx discrete capsules can be connected to the newer MMA-GR/GS cables that terminate to microdots can be run with the MMA d:vice "puck". The older 402x line will not pair with the d:vice, however.
Wow.... I had no idea that was the case. That is unbelievably awesome.
Cables are US$430 a pop. And then capsules at $1300 a pop. Not cheap but I'm sure it'd work nicely.
Ain't it?
Metal detectors have not been picking up the Baby NBox or mics. Deck goes in the pass through bin.I like this rig a lot for metal detector stealth.pardon my ignorance but when you say metal detector stealth are you saying that the metal detectors don't pick this up or just that the equipment looks innocuous enough that you don't get hassled?
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/978/40819461335_0f103a5353_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25c5pJ8)IMG_7490 2 (https://flic.kr/p/25c5pJ8) by Steve Brothers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25804312@N05/), on Flickr
I like this rig a lot for metal detector stealth.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/978/40819461335_0f103a5353_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25c5pJ8)IMG_7490 2 (https://flic.kr/p/25c5pJ8) by Steve Brothers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25804312@N05/), on Flickr
I use the Tascam DR-2D but yes, that's easy to get through metal detectors. I still use the NBox Platinum except for the hardest venues.
Probably a stupid question as I have been primarily a stealth taper that is vertically challenged. With that being said, I have always put mics in a cap. How are others setting up their pics?
Please PM. Sorry for hijacking the thread a bit.
Metal detectors have not been picking up the Baby NBox or mics. Deck goes in the pass through bin.I like this rig a lot for metal detector stealth.pardon my ignorance but when you say metal detector stealth are you saying that the metal detectors don't pick this up or just that the equipment looks innocuous enough that you don't get hassled?
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/978/40819461335_0f103a5353_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25c5pJ8)IMG_7490 2 (https://flic.kr/p/25c5pJ8) by Steve Brothers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25804312@N05/), on Flickr
Probably a stupid question as I have been primarily a stealth taper that is vertically challenged. With that being said, I have always put mics in a cap. How are others setting up their pics?
Please PM. Sorry for hijacking the thread a bit.
https://en-us.sennheiser.com/in-ear-headphones-3d-audio-ambeo-smart-headset
Anyone try these? This should be the smallest rig.
I have a similar setup but with the naiant ipa. This is my favorite stealth setup: mbho, neuman, schoeps or dpa caps > actives or kcy > ipa or nbox > pcm10.Metal detectors have not been picking up the Baby NBox or mics. Deck goes in the pass through bin.I like this rig a lot for metal detector stealth.pardon my ignorance but when you say metal detector stealth are you saying that the metal detectors don't pick this up or just that the equipment looks innocuous enough that you don't get hassled?
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/978/40819461335_0f103a5353_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25c5pJ8)IMG_7490 2 (https://flic.kr/p/25c5pJ8) by Steve Brothers (https://www.flickr.com/photos/25804312@N05/), on Flickr
https://en-us.sennheiser.com/in-ear-headphones-3d-audio-ambeo-smart-headset
Anyone try these? This should be the smallest rig.
Metal detectors have not been picking up the Baby NBox or mics. Deck goes in the pass through bin.
Metal detectors have not been picking up the Baby NBox or mics. Deck goes in the pass through bin.
YMMV but i don't thing this is true anymore after a few recent trips to Wells Fargo Center
Metal detectors have not been picking up the Baby NBox or mics. Deck goes in the pass through bin.
YMMV but i don't thing this is true anymore after a few recent trips to Wells Fargo Center
It depends on the settings on the metal detectors. At the Greek Theater in Berkeley my little belt buckle set it off. This is not the buckle used to give a false positive, but my regular belt. Gear didn't pass through metal detector so I know it wasn't the gear.
I haven't received my Oade mod 620 yet but I'm hoping mk41/41v>baby nbox>620 will be my ultimate rig. The mic pre in the m10 is Just ok imo ( what'd I expect out of the on board pre of a stock $250 recorder really?)and has a bit of trouble with loud rock. Not distortion but sort of a breakdown. Personally the nbox is too big for me to comfortably 😈 with. The last couple of years are the first I haven't run an Oade deck, pre or AD. Looking forward to it.
I haven't received my Oade mod 620 yet but I'm hoping mk41/41v>baby nbox>620 will be my ultimate rig. The mic pre in the m10 is Just ok imo ( what'd I expect out of the on board pre of a stock $250 recorder really?)and has a bit of trouble with loud rock. Not distortion but sort of a breakdown. Personally the nbox is too big for me to comfortably 😈 with. The last couple of years are the first I haven't run an Oade deck, pre or AD. Looking forward to it.
you are gonna love it. I use mine like this mc930's - denecke ps 2 - pdm620 (line in)
Good stealth mics should never be a problem to get around/through metal detectors
For me, it is less about the mics and more about the supporting pieces. I was curious about the M10 in the pass through bin. What do they say about it, if anything?Good stealth mics should never be a problem to get around/through metal detectors
For me, it is less about the mics and more about the supporting pieces. I was curious about the M10 in the pass through bin. What do they say about it, if anything?
For me, it is less about the mics and more about the supporting pieces. I was curious about the M10 in the pass through bin. What do they say about it, if anything?
You mean your "MP3 player?" You wouldn't want to leave that in the car to get stolen would you?
For me, it is less about the mics and more about the supporting pieces. I was curious about the M10 in the pass through bin. What do they say about it, if anything?
You mean your "MP3 player?" You wouldn't want to leave that in the car to get stolen would you?
Exactly. The M10 mics are discreet enough that anybody just kinda looking at it won't see them. It's just a PCM player!
People have the wrong idea how to stealth today.
Think out of the box. YOU WILL set it off every time if you have metal.
Its how you react and what you say, that will get you in.
You wont sneak metal past good detectors and wands.
People have the wrong idea how to stealth today.
Think out of the box. YOU WILL set it off every time if you have metal.
Its how you react and what you say, that will get you in.
You wont sneak metal past good detectors and wands.
People have the wrong idea how to stealth today.
Think out of the box. YOU WILL set it off every time if you have metal.
Its how you react and what you say, that will get you in.
You wont sneak metal past good detectors and wands.
Ed is absolutely correct. I adopted his approach a while back and have not yet had a problem. For me, it was more about changing the mindset as opposed to changing the gear.
I have been testing coresound HEB into a LGv20 cell phone. If
I have been testing coresound HEB into a LGv20 cell phone. If
Interesting news!
Does the LG V20 have a two-channel 3.5mm microphone input?
Are there any other cell phones that could record with the HEBs?
Thanks!
Look back in time, imo the Marantz 620 is the ideal small deck.
Lectrosonics SPDR + DPA 4061
I also think the increased security has unfortunately coincided with a lack of availability for small, high quality recorders. Most of the recent ones either have big fixed microphones on the top like the Zoom and Tascam or are huge like the new Sony one.PCM-A10
The R-07 was going in the right direction - small, light, unobtrusive - but as we know there’s still some Firmware niggles with it currently.
Apart from that the M-10, now nearly 10 years old, is discontinued and there really hasn’t been a successor. You’d think in 10 years we’d have moved to a smaller, more advanced recorder at a reasonable price, but apparently not.
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The R-07 was going in the right direction - small, light, unobtrusive - but as we know there’s still some Firmware niggles with it currently.
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The R-07 was going in the right direction - small, light, unobtrusive - but as we know there’s still some Firmware niggles with it currently.
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Exactly which firmware niggels are you thinking about?
prob the zipper-sound on volume adjsut, if i had to guess
people also bemoan the LEDs not being disable-able
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The R-07 was going in the right direction - small, light, unobtrusive - but as we know there’s still some Firmware niggles with it currently.
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Exactly which firmware niggels are you thinking about?
prob the zipper-sound on volume adjsut, if i had to guess
people also bemoan the LEDs not being disable-able