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Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« on: December 20, 2004, 11:04:58 PM »
So when my favourite band goes on tour again at the end of next year or summer of 06 (they might be doing random shows in the states earlier I might try to attend), I plan to be fully prepared. I'm getting a new camcorder solely for the purpose of recording the shows. Now, it might be tricky since we're not even allowed to bring cameras in, but I'll try anyways. So I'm planning on getting a REALLY small cam, hoping for the Sony MicroMV. Anyone have any tips for me?? Please?  :)
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Re: Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2004, 11:38:58 PM »
welcome aboard!  +t

first tip:  don't get caught!

actually...im sure some stealthers will join in here shortly....i haven't done much with stealth..esp video....
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Re: Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2005, 04:21:30 PM »
So when my favourite band goes on tour again at the end of next year or summer of 06 (they might be doing random shows in the states earlier I might try to attend), I plan to be fully prepared. I'm getting a new camcorder solely for the purpose of recording the shows. Now, it might be tricky since we're not even allowed to bring cameras in, but I'll try anyways. So I'm planning on getting a REALLY small cam, hoping for the Sony MicroMV. Anyone have any tips for me?? Please?  :)

i started stealthing shows in 03. here are a few suggestions:
1. bring a 'buffer' (person to stand/sit with you). they can be endlessly helpful. all you need is a nudge from them to let you know security is coming and it's time to cover up.

2. location - if you know the venue well get seats that are raised up and kind of off the beaten path. balconies are a huge plus. also think about where you'll be in relation to walkways/human traffic. if you are unable to get the seats you want, get good seats early (when the concert goes onsale) and when the show happens go to somebody with a seat that you want and trade them. if it's a smaller venue look for tables that are lifted up

3. no matter how you decide you are going to hold/hide your camera you have to find a way were you can use the viewfinder. if you don't you'll just end up with a whole lotta drift/shaking and your efforts will be wasted. devising a system to not look too out of the ordinary and being able to look through the viewfinder are PARAMOUNT.

4. extra tapes/finished tapes - when you have to change tapes, either give the tape to your buffer or put it somewhere it won't be found. i was workin on a 2cam mix with my buddy and he got popped at the end of the show. luckily he had stashed his first tape in his sock, so they only got the 2nd tape from him and i got the whole show... so it worked out. having a hiding place or a blank to make the old switcheroo with is a great safety net.

5. battery. dunno who your favorite band is, but mine plays longer than 80 minutes, which means you need an extended battery. these can have up to 7-8 hours of life. they cost around 100 bucks. get one the day you get your camera if you intend to film, you'll need it.

6. digital zoom - i would suggest never using this feature. it will make the footage very pixelated and shaky. if you fear your optical zoom isn't enough - get an extender lens.

7. always preview security before going in. know who the weak guys are and make sure to go to them when entering.

i hope this helps. i was just rattling off some things that i thought of right away that you'd wanna know.

sounds like there are some other experienced tapers in here too, surely they will have some helpful hints too.

also - good luck =)

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Re: Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2005, 10:52:10 PM »
Those are great tips, thank you.
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Re: Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2005, 10:32:46 AM »
I wouldn't get the MicroMV
Get a dv camera, the flexability of dv is THE positive.  Every editing app edits dv.  Only a few edit MV.  AND If I'm not mistaken, microMV records in mpeg2.  I've used both, I like dv better.  Hope this helps.

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Re: Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2005, 03:45:47 PM »
Those are great tips, thank you.

as luck would have it i'm a pj taper too... =)

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Re: Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2005, 05:14:54 PM »
Those are great tips, thank you.

as luck would have it i'm a pj taper too... =)

Very cool!  Do you have any other suggestions you can posts?  I plan on taping a show or two this next tour.  If we happen to tape the same shows, I'll keep in touch.

I have just about every PJ dvd in circulation at this time, can you tell me some of the work you have done?
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Re: Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2005, 02:08:54 PM »
Those are great tips, thank you.

as luck would have it i'm a pj taper too... =)

Very cool!  Do you have any other suggestions you can posts?  I plan on taping a show or two this next tour.  If we happen to tape the same shows, I'll keep in touch.

I have just about every PJ dvd in circulation at this time, can you tell me some of the work you have done?

i shot the center shot of benaroya, the complete grand rapids and the wiltern ev set.

only benaroya is in circulation at the moment, as you know.

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Re: Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2005, 01:01:11 AM »
I wouldn't get the MicroMV
Get a dv camera, the flexability of dv is THE positive.  Every editing app edits dv.  Only a few edit MV.  AND If I'm not mistaken, microMV records in mpeg2.  I've used both, I like dv better.  Hope this helps.

Thanks for the info! After doing some more research, I've decided on the Sony  DCR-HC42 MiniDV Handycam® Camcorder
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=DCRHC42&Dept=dcc_DICamcorders&CategoryName=dcc_DICamcorders&INT=sstyle-dcc_DICamcorders-feat_02-DCRHC42

with the 25mm 2.0X High Grade Telephoto Conversion Lens.

So that'll be 24x optical zoom in total. I'm going to buy it on Friday. Getting a sweet deal on it too!
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Re: Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2005, 10:53:55 AM »
I wouldn't get the MicroMV
Get a dv camera, the flexability of dv is THE positive.  Every editing app edits dv.  Only a few edit MV.  AND If I'm not mistaken, microMV records in mpeg2.  I've used both, I like dv better.  Hope this helps.
Thanks for the info! After doing some more research, I've decided on the Sony  DCR-HC42 MiniDV Handycam® Camcorder
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=DCRHC42&Dept=dcc_DICamcorders&CategoryName=dcc_DICamcorders&INT=sstyle-dcc_DICamcorders-feat_02-DCRHC42

with the 25mm 2.0X High Grade Telephoto Conversion Lens.

So that'll be 24x optical zoom in total. I'm going to buy it on Friday. Getting a sweet deal on it too!

is there a particular feature that is drawing you to that one?

the only reason i ask is because both 'lesser' models have 20x optical zooms. so i mean if there's something about the 42 you really want/need... then go for it. but personally i think you can never have enough optical zoom, especially if you are stealthing and may have to set up far away to shoot.

edited cuz i accidentally put my comment in your quote.
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Re: Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2005, 11:37:57 AM »
I wouldn't get the MicroMV
Get a dv camera, the flexability of dv is THE positive.  Every editing app edits dv.  Only a few edit MV.  AND If I'm not mistaken, microMV records in mpeg2.  I've used both, I like dv better.  Hope this helps.

is there a particular feature that is drawing you to that one?

the only reason i ask is because both 'lesser' models have 20x optical zooms. so i mean if there's something about the 42 you really want/need... then go for it. but personally i think you can never have enough optical zoom, especially if you are stealthing and may have to set up far away to shoot.



Thanks for the info! After doing some more research, I've decided on the Sony  DCR-HC42 MiniDV Handycam® Camcorder
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=DCRHC42&Dept=dcc_DICamcorders&CategoryName=dcc_DICamcorders&INT=sstyle-dcc_DICamcorders-feat_02-DCRHC42

with the 25mm 2.0X High Grade Telephoto Conversion Lens.

So that'll be 24x optical zoom in total. I'm going to buy it on Friday. Getting a sweet deal on it too!

He's right, I just bought one off of ebay for $202.50 that has a 22x optical zoom.  Might not be as good as a camera as that one, but, I figured I'd go with the one with the most optical zoom.  Then, if I wanted, I can always get an extender lens.

Here is the one I just bought...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3875091293&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT
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Re: Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2005, 02:14:26 PM »
Canon makes the best lenses on dv cameras.  I"ve owned two.  a good decision.

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Re: Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2005, 02:48:15 PM »
Canon makes the best lenses on dv cameras.  I"ve owned two.  a good decision.

I feel alot better about my decision then.  Thank you. :)

I can't wait to actually use it.
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Re: Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2005, 02:59:42 PM »
Canon makes the best lenses on dv cameras.  I"ve owned two.  a good decision.

is that just opinion or is that based on a technological fact?

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Re: Tips on Recording Live Shows?
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2005, 03:11:20 PM »
Canon makes the best lenses on dv cameras.  I"ve owned two.  a good decision.

is that just opinion or is that based on a technological fact?

It kind of sounds like it might have been based on good past experiences.  I could be wrong though.
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