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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2003, 02:34:57 AM »
so what is an acceptable SPL typically for a mic?  these can withstand up to 142 dB with preatten.   i suppose the PA was pumping out a lot more...
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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2003, 05:01:57 AM »
There's no way it was 142 dB. There are sound limit ordances in most towns and they won't allow the venues to go over whatever that limit is (and more aren't more than 125 dB). That said, I think you're running into the same problem I've run into with the QTC-1 mics. They are just WAY too sensitive and require some serious attenuation prior to going into the pre-amp. For the QTC-1 mics I run the Wendt X4 with the -20 dB pads on and in addition to that I run the AT 8202 inline attenuators at -20 dB. If I don't do this, nothing but distortion at rock shows. I've been able to get away with just the -20 dB setting on the X4 for bluegrass shows, but that's acoustic only. If you can round up an external attenuation, try that and see what happens. My guess is that you will find it works fine at that point.

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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2003, 10:24:25 AM »
+T, Wayne.

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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2003, 12:33:25 AM »
Sounds like you might need attenuators...

Just wondering, what is the sensitivity listed as?? I think my DPA4022's are ~ 8 mV/Pa.

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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2003, 01:09:39 AM »
my mics run at 146, which is the highest ive ever seen without attenuation, and i have to run attenuation as these mics run as hot as they come

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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2003, 05:46:34 PM »
There's no way it was 142 dB. There are sound limit ordances in most towns and they won't allow the venues to go over whatever that limit is (and more aren't more than 125 dB). That said, I think you're running into the same problem I've run into with the QTC-1 mics. They are just WAY too sensitive and require some serious attenuation prior to going into the pre-amp. For the QTC-1 mics I run the Wendt X4 with the -20 dB pads on and in addition to that I run the AT 8202 inline attenuators at -20 dB. If I don't do this, nothing but distortion at rock shows. I've been able to get away with just the -20 dB setting on the X4 for bluegrass shows, but that's acoustic only. If you can round up an external attenuation, try that and see what happens. My guess is that you will find it works fine at that point.

Wayne

So back to my original question...I wonder if the -12 dB on the mics coupled with the -20 dB preattenuation on the V3 would do the trick without the need for an additional attenuator?

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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2003, 06:01:16 PM »
who knows, give it a shot. have some other attenuator ready just in case!

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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2003, 12:43:51 AM »
the mic has sensitivity level of 40 mV.that's give and take 4 times more than your average mic.select the  -20 pad on the v3.or get shure a15s.

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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2003, 09:25:43 AM »
you mean the shure s15a?  i already have a mic stand.  what good would that do me?
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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2003, 10:59:55 AM »
Shure A15AS switchable attenuators

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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2003, 02:04:09 PM »
gotcha  :)

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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2003, 06:14:43 PM »
Over 142 dB? Even at a Ministry stack, I'd be skeptical.
142 would definitely cause "bleeding ears"  :rockets:
100 dB(SPL) would be the loud point at Moe. or Phish at the FOH.  every 10dB gain is double the sound you hear...So,

110=double
120=triple
130=quadruple
140=five times as loud as 100dB to your ears.  
(This is for reference puposes)

I am not sure about the settings of you mics, but it is very unlikely that the sound got above 142 SPL.  As it has been said, sounds like sensitivity.  

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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2003, 06:39:13 PM »
Three cheers for logarithms!

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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2003, 08:35:53 PM »
Three cheers for logarithms!

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Re:Just tried out these bad boys
« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2003, 09:31:21 PM »
Over 142 dB? Even at a Ministry stack, I'd be skeptical.
every 10dB gain is double the sound you hear...So,

Good luck
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