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Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« on: November 01, 2012, 04:56:24 PM »
Hi,

I have just bought a Roland R05 recorder.

Does anyone know if I can use the Chis Church ca 9100 preamp with the recorder or if it is a bad idea?

Or is it a bad idea?

Hope someone can help

Best wishes

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Re: Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2012, 05:37:19 PM »
Hi,

I have just bought a Roland R05 recorder.

Does anyone know if I can use the Chis Church ca 9100 preamp with the recorder or if it is a bad idea?

Or is it a bad idea?

Hope someone can help

Best wishes

Steen

I use the CA UGLY Preamp with a Roland R-05 and it works great!! I believe the ca 9100 is similar.
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Re: Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2012, 05:41:33 PM »
I use the CA UGLY Preamp with a Roland R-05 and it works great!! I believe the ca 9100 is similar.

What do you keep the R-05 recording level on when running the CA UGLY?

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Re: Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2012, 06:33:38 PM »
Hi,

I have just bought a Roland R05 recorder.

Does anyone know if I can use the Chis Church ca 9100 preamp with the recorder or if it is a bad idea?

Or is it a bad idea?

Hope someone can help

Best wishes

Steen

Why should it be a bad idea? A great portable recorder plus a great portable preamp, add a good pair of microphones and you're set to do great recordings :) Just keep in mind to turn OFF the Plug-In Power (it's under Input Setup on the menu), as the preamp would be powering your mics already.

@JBou, I think input level is best set around 65-67 but maybe someone can correct me.
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Re: Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2012, 06:50:09 PM »
I was afraid I would over power the microphones if I used the preamp

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Re: Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2012, 07:04:05 PM »
I was afraid I would over power the microphones if I used the preamp

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This kind of preamp is made to provide the precise amount of power than most of our microphones (not the mics that need 48V) need :)
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Re: Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2012, 08:22:00 PM »
Power to the mics is good--it makes them less likely to overload.

Too much amplification from the preamp is not so good, because it can overload/brickwall the recording.

You probably want to go mic-->preamp-->Line-in instead of Mic-in, since Mic-in leads to the recorder's own preamp. With Line-in, you're bypassing the built-in preamp with the better, external preamp.

And you probably don't need to add too much amplification from the preamp if the concert is loud. Do some experimenting with your stereo on appropriate levels, and then lower them further when you get to the blast of a live show.


I was afraid I would over power the microphones if I used the preamp

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Re: Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2012, 08:55:35 PM »
Just keep in mind to turn OFF the Plug-In Power (it's under Input Setup on the menu), as the preamp would be powering your mics already.


But since they will be using line in, this should not matter, right?

My lo-pro setup is at853>ca9100>r05, and I think it works well, and can sound very nice.
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Re: Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2012, 12:19:51 AM »
Just keep in mind to turn OFF the Plug-In Power (it's under Input Setup on the menu), as the preamp would be powering your mics already.


But since they will be using line in, this should not matter, right?

My lo-pro setup is at853>ca9100>r05, and I think it works well, and can sound very nice.
You're righter than right, they would be going line-in and not mic-in... Yeah! Sorry :-X
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Re: Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2012, 12:24:55 AM »
@JBou, I think input level is best set around 65-67 but maybe someone can correct me.

Thanks, thats higher than I would have guessed

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Re: Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2012, 01:24:39 PM »
@JBou, I think input level is best set around 65-67 but maybe someone can correct me.

Thanks, thats higher than I would have guessed
It varies for me depending on the mics. I do keep the CA Ugly very close to fully amplified.  CA11's are around that 65 level, but for louder music I go down into the 40's. For my other low pro mics, AT 853's, they can be as low as "1" for loud music. Since I have had great sucess keeping the CA Ugly up high, I just adjust the R-05 at each show. And I do keep a little eyeglass screwdriver in my earphone pouch, but I never have used it, although with the R-05 at "1", it was close to having to.
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Re: Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2012, 02:26:12 PM »
As others have said there are no issues with the 9100 and the R05 you should have no issues what so ever.


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Re: Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2012, 10:42:18 PM »
@JBou, I think input level is best set around 65-67 but maybe someone can correct me.

Thanks, thats higher than I would have guessed
It varies for me depending on the mics. I do keep the CA Ugly very close to fully amplified.  CA11's are around that 65 level, but for louder music I go down into the 40's. For my other low pro mics, AT 853's, they can be as low as "1" for loud music. Since I have had great sucess keeping the CA Ugly up high, I just adjust the R-05 at each show. And I do keep a little eyeglass screwdriver in my earphone pouch, but I never have used it, although with the R-05 at "1", it was close to having to.

BTW, what are those tiny pots for? Like trim on a v2/v3 ???
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Re: Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2012, 04:55:11 PM »
^^^ Gain I believe, but since I keep it up high, I never really gave it much thought. It does give me a nice recording and when acoustic, the quiet is very quiet. ;D
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Re: Roland R05 and Chris Church preamp
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2012, 11:13:30 AM »
@JBou, I think input level is best set around 65-67 but maybe someone can correct me.

Thanks, thats higher than I would have guessed
It varies for me depending on the mics. I do keep the CA Ugly very close to fully amplified.  CA11's are around that 65 level, but for louder music I go down into the 40's. For my other low pro mics, AT 853's, they can be as low as "1" for loud music. Since I have had great sucess keeping the CA Ugly up high, I just adjust the R-05 at each show. And I do keep a little eyeglass screwdriver in my earphone pouch, but I never have used it, although with the R-05 at "1", it was close to having to.

BTW, what are those tiny pots for? Like trim on a v2/v3 ???

On the Ugly the trim pots are gain. So unmatched mics can be matched. And you can adjust gain overall gain with them as well. On my Ugly II the trim pots are actual output level of the preamp. And the 6 Position rotary switch is for gain for both Left and Right. This also allows for matching of unmatched mics. Not really an issue for my mics. But its still nice to have.
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