Topic: Edirol R-09: MIC-IN vs LINE-IN vs INT.MIC for concerts

[Arni99]

http://www.file-upload.net/download-240165/R09-MIC-IN-bbox-HLSC-mics-sample-2min.mp3.html

Guysonic said(measured), it´s almost impossible to overload the MIC-In =>so I did a test at my 1st show with the R09.

here a 3min sample of my recording:
Sennheiser MM-HLSC-1 cardioids
9V battery box plugged to MIC-IN(plugin power OFF)
manual level at 11/30
MIC-SENS: low
LOW-CUT: off
AGC: off
EXT.MIC Type: stereo

I know we all were used to LINE-in recording in the past with MD recorders and other devices, but this MIC-in really can handle high SPL.

[mrruin]

my question is: Whats the point?

If it is loud line-in works great. Why would you use mic in instead? Just because you can?

[Arni99]

my question is: Whats the point?

If it is loud line-in works great. Why would you use mic in instead? Just because you can?

Using mic-in needs no post-editing such as amplification or normalising.
Of course I could use my external preamp instead of my bbox to avoid noise added by the internal r09-gain-stage, but I prefer taking my little bbox with me instead of my larger preamp.

Maybe all R09 users could upload 2min samples of their recordings here with detailed info on recording settings etc. .

I´ll record over line-in tomorrow evening and will post the results(2min sample) here.

[Sebastian]

Using mic-in needs no post-editing such as amplification or normalising.

Huh? What does *that* have to do with using the Mic-in?

[Arni99]

Using mic-in needs no post-editing such as amplification or normalising.

Huh? What does *that* have to do with using the Mic-in?

You simply get a "stronger signal" on your tape than using line-in and as there are also silent parts in the shows I prefer mic-in. 

Taping metal shows or really loud amplified shows..... line-in would be the better choice.

Needless to say "loud" is subjective for human beings BUT not for your equipment .

So we can only learn by experience what settings are best for a certain venue or sound pressure.

I know I can´t compare the Sony MZ-RH1´s mic-in with the Edirol´s r-09 mic-in....sold my RH1 2 days ago.
From using MD we all learned: use your mic-in for silent to moderately loud shows and a bbox + line in for loud amplfied shows.....otherwise your md-preamp will kick the bucket and get heavily overloaded .


that´s my own kind of display-off-mod :

[2amuse]

http://www.file-upload.net/download-240165/R09-MIC-IN-bbox-HLSC-mics-sample-2min.mp3.html

Guysonic said(measured), it´s almost impossible to overload the MIC-In =>so I did a test at my 1st show with the R09.

here a 3min sample of my recording:
Sennheiser MM-HLSC-1 cardioids
9V battery box plugged to MIC-IN(plugin power OFF)
manual level at 11/30
MIC-SENS: low
LOW-CUT: off
AGC: off
EXT.MIC Type: stereo

I know we all were used to LINE-in recording in the past with MD recorders and other devices, but this MIC-in really can handle high SPL.

Is the input level you used 11 out of 30?  If not, what did you have the input level set at?  Was the source set at a typical concert level?  Ray

[Arni99]

Is the input level you used 11 out of 30?  If not, what did you have the input level set at?  Was the source set at a typical concert level?  Ray

yes i started at 25 but went down to 11 as i had clipping at 25.

[2amuse]

Is the input level you used 11 out of 30?  If not, what did you have the input level set at?  Was the source set at a typical concert level?  Ray

yes i started at 25 but went down to 11 as i had clipping at 25.

It seems that a mic setting of 11 might equate to the full 30 of the line input.  I am also trying to predict which would be better for a particular event.  Who wants to fumble around when it's dark?  I did some tests with my stereo which I thought I had on quite loud but then at the venue, the music swamped the recorder at my predetermined level.  I am using similar equipment.

[udovdh]

Using mic-in needs no post-editing such as amplification or normalising.

Huh? What does *that* have to do with using the Mic-in?

You simply get a "stronger signal" on your tape than using line-in and as there are also silent parts in the shows I prefer mic-in. 

0dBFS is 0dBFS.
If you really need mic-in to reach 0dBFS use it. If you can use line-in do so instead.
I guess that is the general rule.
Less amplification is better.

[Arni99]

Tonight I will try the internal mics at a small club jazz-rock-fusion concert in Vienna(Austria).
I think they should get 1 chance at least to proof their quality in field .
Will use Mic-sens: LOW, Low Cut: ON and AGC:On....the 1st and maybe last time in my life.. ..... and put my R-09 in my left frontpocket with mics+display aiming towards the stage...so left and right channel will be vice versa.

So it´s a "1,2 go setup" without any external mics or preamps or battery boxes. I will really enjoy NOT wearing a jacket at room temperature as usually when I´m in "stealth-mode" HAHA.
Nevertheless I need to work on my summer-concert-outfit.

Did some really loud homestereo tests and the internal mics sound better than my HLSC on line-in(very metal sounding on mic+line in) at home at least .

If the recording gets distorted....I don´t mind , it´s just a testrun .
Will post the results after the show with soundclips if the sound won´t kill your ears because of distortion.... .

[Arni99]

just returned from the show in vienna ...well during the show i thought it MUST distort somehow, because it was extreme loud and the acuoustics were not the best at this place.
BUT listen to the 2min sample....
http://www.file-upload.net/download-241572/R09-internal-mic_mic-sens-LOW_AGC-on_LOW-CUT-on.mp3.html

used the R09´s internal mics
MIC SENS low
AGC on
LOW CUT on

[stevetoney]

just returned from the show in vienna ...well during the show i thought it MUST distort somehow, because it was extreme loud and the acuoustics were not the best at this place.
BUT listen to the 2min sample....
http://www.file-upload.net/download-241572/R09-internal-mic_mic-sens-LOW_AGC-on_LOW-CUT-on.mp3.html

used the R09´s internal mics
MIC SENS low
AGC on
LOW CUT on

Almost makes me wonder if it's worth recommending to people that they should buy entry level mics anymore...just buy an R-09 and that's all!  Good job, this sounds nice! 

[Arni99]

post on this file: "normalising" with audacity and nothing else.

[dmonkey]

Wow. I'm very impressed and surprised by that recording with the internal mics. When I first got my R09 I tried using the internal mic to record a band, but the acoustics in the room and the PA were terrible so that hurt the recording -- but it was still very listenable. Since then I haven't tried the internal mics again. Looks like maybe I should give 'em another shot, just out of curiosity.

[mantovibe]

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