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MT II problems
« on: December 14, 2007, 12:06:22 PM »
Just tried to record spdif in from a V3.  When it is running the clock was moving too fast.  I stopped it and listened to it and it was running too slow.  44.1 and 48 not a problem 96 big problem.  Using the little external mics, no problem.  Called them and they are trying to replicate the problem and are calling me back. Oh, and they started to say something about the V3 but, I got my old MT from my neighbor who I sold it too and no problem running at 96.  Will post further messages.
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Re: MT II problems
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2007, 12:10:40 PM »
and so it begins...

Interested to see how much it has "improved" over the original MT.
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Re: MT II problems
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2007, 01:05:27 PM »
Just tried to record spdif in from a V3.  When it is running the clock was moving too fast.  I stopped it and listened to it and it was running too slow.  44.1 and 48 not a problem 96 big problem.  Using the little external mics, no problem.  Called them and they are trying to replicate the problem and are calling me back. Oh, and they started to say something about the V3 but, I got my old MT from my neighbor who I sold it too and no problem running at 96.  Will post further messages.


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Re: MT II problems
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2007, 01:19:17 PM »
Kind of like the Florida - LSU game this year.
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Re: MT II problems
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2007, 01:41:26 PM »
Just tried to record spdif in from a V3.  When it is running the clock was moving too fast.  I stopped it and listened to it and it was running too slow.  44.1 and 48 not a problem 96 big problem.  Using the little external mics, no problem.  Called them and they are trying to replicate the problem and are calling me back. Oh, and they started to say something about the V3 but, I got my old MT from my neighbor who I sold it too and no problem running at 96.  Will post further messages.


Is it only a single trial or that happens ALL THE TIME???

I guess it's time for a new firmware.
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Re: MT II problems
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2007, 01:44:46 PM »
Just tried to record spdif in from a V3.  When it is running the clock was moving too fast.  I stopped it and listened to it and it was running too slow.  44.1 and 48 not a problem 96 big problem.  Using the little external mics, no problem.  Called them and they are trying to replicate the problem and are calling me back. Oh, and they started to say something about the V3 but, I got my old MT from my neighbor who I sold it too and no problem running at 96.  Will post further messages.


Is it only a single trial or that happens ALL THE TIME???

I guess it's time for a new firmware.

Hopefully this is only a problem with one unit... How bad would it be if they shipped units with a faulty SPDIF in  :P
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Re: MT II problems
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2007, 01:54:30 PM »
He called back and said he had no problem with the one they have.  So, off it goes to full compass for a return.  he thought it is just my unit.  I hope for all of you out there he is right.

I tried it with different cards and different sizes.  all that were formatted with the unit and then tested with the unit, they have that feature now.  The time on the bottom was wrong and counting wrong but, the time reaming through the menu was right.  The audio was supper slow.   
« Last Edit: December 14, 2007, 01:57:18 PM by anhisr »
Audio: Neumann KM 100> 20, 30, 40, 43 or 50 > V3 > MT II (love that M/S)
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Re: MT II problems
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2007, 02:13:21 PM »
Looking at the file.  It says that it is recorded at 24/44  If I go into Wavelab, and tell it to change the audio properties to 96 it sounds fine. What is the deal with that?
« Last Edit: December 14, 2007, 02:24:52 PM by anhisr »
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Re: MT II problems
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2007, 03:47:47 PM »
its just a header issue.
it was expecting a 44.1kHz signal and you were sending 96kHz.  that's why the clock was moving so fast.
if the device counts 1 second for every 44.1k samples that are sent, but you're sending 96k sample per second, the counter will go a little more than twice as fast as normal.

there are lots of threads dealing with this topc, as the MT isn't the only recorder with issues like these.  in fact, I think there's a sticky thread somewhere regarding this topic.

anyway, try this:

before you turn on the MTII, ahev the coax connected and the V3 sending a 24/96 signal.  then, when you turn it on and set it to S/PDIF, it'll hoepfully lock onto the 96 kHz signal and set itself appropriately.

edit to add:  this was an issue with the original MT.  if the S/PDIF signal wasn't active when the MT was turned on, it would write a a file with the wrong header info
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Re: MT II problems
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2007, 04:39:46 PM »
tried the old start up and it didn't help.
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Re: MT II problems
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2007, 05:23:46 PM »
Mine's charging at the moment
I'll try 24/96 out of the soundcard and the FR-2 as soon as I am sure the batt's full.

Just arranged a live band test for t'mrw noche.
I may do a very loose FR-2 vs. MTII shoot-out recording some local talent.
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Re: MT II problems
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2007, 08:37:06 PM »
here's a couple of things:  got my mt2 on tuesday charged the battery and friday it's dead!!!!
doing a 24/96 test right now, with a v-3, and the time is definately moving at double speed.
24/48 seems to be working fine.
thats it for now, i will know more tuesday.

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Re: MT II problems
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2007, 10:31:54 PM »
doing a living room test @ 24/48 spdif from v-3
i haven't listened, but it seemed like the seemless split happened at 2 gigs. i watched it and it happened fast, blink of an eye fast.  i'll join the files and give another update.
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Re: MT II problems
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2007, 11:04:46 PM »
used the korg audiogate software to join the 2 files.
IT IS A SEEMLESS SPLIT!!!!!!!!
also the split comes at 1.86 gigs 1:55:44.
took 11 minutes 40 seconds to transfer 1.86 gig file.  much slower than the mt 1.
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Re: MT II problems
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2007, 12:03:30 AM »
Okay.  I've got the 24/44 when it should be 24/96 issue too.  I fired up the MT II after the V3 in my test.  The MT II was already set to take s/pdif.

I'm sure it's just an error in the header.

What else to try?

EDIT:  Opened a ticket with M-Audio and pointed them to this thread.

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