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Re: zoom h2
« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2007, 09:54:21 PM »
Daddy's Junky Music in Portsmouth, NH had them in stock today (2 left now) so I picked one up after work. However, it's still in the package. It's my wife's birthday today so I won't have a chance to look at it until after work tomorrow or this weekend.
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Re: zoom h2
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2007, 05:36:01 AM »
Previous H4 and now H2 are most attractive with having unique features AND VERY LOW PRICE to remain FAVORITE alternatives to higher costing deck choices.  Many have found H4's recording performance quiet acceptable, others have been more than a little disappointed. 

I'm in the latter group with finding the H4 bench test I performed on the H4 with too many shortcomings for serious amateur/professional users. 
See my findings at: www.sonicstudios.com/zoomh4rv.htm

I am continually surprised on how many professionals/universities emailed me with either having bought the H4, or expressed intention to purchase H4 for media group activities where recorded audio quality/reliability is an important issue. And no reason to believe less serious interest in acquiring the newer H2.

One thing is certain, H2 needs to be honestly bench tested for performance specification in recordist's terms as I like to do.

One glowing red flag showing on the new H2 is total lack of support for SDHC higher capacity cards, and having H4's limitation of 2 GIG maximum storage card capacity. 

With H4 2 GIG limit was more or less acceptable as SDHC specification might of come a bit after H4 shipped, but plenty of new gear this year implements SDHC that's most useful in video and especially .wav file capable audio recording devices. 

This makes me think there's every possibility the H2 is the same H4 underneath with new fancy clothes?

Maybe someone with one or two of these will arrange a loan for doing some hard tests like done for previous popular low costing deck models? 

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Re: zoom h2
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2007, 05:56:38 AM »
It seems like a nice little unit....Please i would love to get some feedbacks on his reliability.

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Re: zoom h2
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2007, 02:29:09 PM »
I just ordered one from Samash.com   online salesman said they juts got a big shipment in..Should have mine in few days..

to guysonic,why do you say it will only work with a 2gig card it clearly states 4gig SD card capacity??

How do you know SDHC will not work for the H2?
I called samson and they had no answer for me and zoom's site has no info if it can handle a SDHC..I'm curiuos how you arrived at that conclusion??

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=8870

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Re: zoom h2
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2007, 04:44:21 PM »
The H2 can handle up to a 4gig SDHC card. I still haven't unpacked it but it's included in the specifications on the box.
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Re: zoom h2
« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2007, 06:04:14 PM »
Looking forward to your review, Goatfarmer!

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Re: zoom h2
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2007, 06:52:57 PM »
Daddy's Junky Music in Portsmouth, NH had them in stock today (2 left now) so I picked one up after work. However, it's still in the package. It's my wife's birthday today so I won't have a chance to look at it until after work tomorrow or this weekend.
you bought your wife a H2 for her birthday and she will not let you look at it till tomorrow ;)

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Re: zoom h2
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2007, 07:14:16 PM »
I just ordered one from Samash.com   online salesman said they juts got a big shipment in..Should have mine in few days..

to guysonic,why do you say it will only work with a 2gig card it clearly states 4gig SD card capacity??

How do you know SDHC will not work for the H2?
I called samson and they had no answer for me and zoom's site has no info if it can handle a SDHC..I'm curiuos how you arrived at that conclusion??

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=8870

tim

Earlier pre-shipment H2 specifications mention SD card ONLY with 2 GIG limitation.  SD card is standardized with protocol up to 2 GIG, and although 4 GIG SD cards did appear recently in the marketplace, many SD devices could not use them in reliable manner as these larger capacity cards are not fully compatible with SD standards followed by most manufactures of devices that use them.

Looking forward to your review, Goatfarmer!

So HarpDoc,  what might you have against goats?  While I don't own any, I would if having the space, and did find they produce EXCELLENT milk and goat-milk cheese!  Maybe you should try some sometime.

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Re: zoom h2
« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2007, 10:11:29 PM »

I always find comfort in buying a gift for myself when buying a gift for someone else.  ;)

We had a great night! Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more, say no more...

Unfortunately, we also attended a memorial of sorts tonight for a friend who passed away on Monday. He was a musician and a great person who was instrumental in getting our local community radio station off the ground. There were many talented musicians jamming in a circle in his backyard...it would have been perfect to try out the H2's onboard mics.  Not the time or place to make a scene.

The H2 still sits in its box whilst I think about hitting the sack. Many things in life are more important.
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Re: zoom h2
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2007, 10:28:48 PM »
thank's for clearing that up guysonic.... :)
I'm gonna wait to hear from goatfarmer before I decide what card to get..either SDHC or SD..Hopefully the SDHC works with good results..

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Re: zoom h2
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2007, 11:13:09 AM »
Looks like SDHC cards do work in the Zoom H2.  No info on the card manufacturer yet.
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"i put an 8gb sdhc card into the zoom h2 and it didn't recognize it until i powered it off and on again. it took nearly a minute at 'loading' and then recognized it just fine. Over 12 hrs at the default recording mode and nearly 4 hours at absolute highest quality mode (wav96/24bit)

i already like it better than the h4 which felt cheaper--like it was plastic filled with air--and which you had to fight with the insert and remove batteries and sd cards.

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August 24, 2007 04:12 PM "

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Re: zoom h2
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2007, 12:32:22 AM »
Further developments: 

The poster to oreillynet now says the H2 can read and write 4GB (Transcend)
and 8GB (Patriot) SDHC cards, but it can't format the SDHC cards. 

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Just got one today
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2007, 08:20:00 PM »
I just received mine from Sweetwater Sound.  Popped in a 8gig Transcend SDHC card and...
Shows 12:40:23 time remaining, great!, will my NIMH's last that long?

Initial impressions on the look of this thing...

With the wind screen it looks like some kind of weeble-wobble with an afro.  The display is mad tiny, I had to use a lupe to see what I was doing.

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Re: zoom h2
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2007, 12:04:05 PM »
as found on the nature recorderist group..

Two AA alkaline batteries last about 6 hours, enough time to record
3.8GB of tracks at 16/44.1. That's a good fit with a 4GB SD card.

When the size of the file created by a continuous recording approaches
2GB, the file is automatically saved. A new file is opened and
recording continues. I have not determined if the split is seamless,
meaning no samples are lost during the process of closing one file and
opening another.

The H2 shut down gracefully when the batteries were depleted, and
properly closed the file it was creating.

To record longer than 6 hours, you'll need NiMH rechargeable batteries
with a high mAh rating. Or you can use an external battery box. The
H2 has a mini-USB port, but I couldn't use it to power the recorder.
The H2's mains power adapter supplies 9V DC, so I think a battery box
that produces 9V would work.

Monaural input is recorded by the left channel. When "Mono Mix"
setting is selected, Mono input is recorded on both left and right
channels. Regardless of setting, Mono consumes as much space on the SD
card as stereo.

The door covering the SD slot doesn't swing away far enough to allow
easy removal of the SD card. Careful application of a long fingernail
or tweezers is necessary to pry the card from the recorder.

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Re: zoom h2
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2007, 12:27:48 PM »
Found on the naturerecordists list 

The Zoom H2 is a digital recorder, capable of using WAV and MP3
formats. WAV files can be quantized at rates up to 24/96. MP3
encoding is available up to 320 kbps. Variable Bit Rate MP3 is
supported, too.

The process of starting a recording is simple. Press the record
button and the H2 enters record/pause. Check the metering levels on
the LCD display. Set the levels by pressing + and - buttons. Then
press the record button to start the recording. Another press of the
record button stops the recording. Recording doesn't get much easier
than this!

The H2 has a couple of features to help make better recordings. The
microphone sensitivity switch adds about 10dB at each step from low to
medium to high. The H2 also has a 2 second pre-roll buffer to help
you catch the start of a vocalization.

The H2's preamp is mediocre, typical of the under-$500 recorders. It
reminded me of the Edirol R-09 and M-Audio Microtrack 2496. I think
the preamp in the H2 is similar to the design in the Zoom H4, a model
that approaches the quality of the Sony Hi-MD preamp, according to
Klas Strandberg. (Hi Klas!)

My H2 recordings using high preamp gain had a noticeable background
hiss. Using high microphone sensitivity can make the recording too
bright. I found the best result came with medium sensitivity and
medium gain. On the H2, the gain scale steps from 0 to 127. I got
good results at a setting of 90 when using a Sennheiser ME-62.

In my sample recordings, I was not aware of the recorder capturing RF
noise from the LCD screen or from RF interference generated while
writing to the SD card.

The H2 has 3.5mm (1/8") jacks for stereo mic input and line-level
input. The mic input provides 2.5V DC power to microphones that
don't have a power supply. There is no digital input or output. The
3.5mm headphones jack doubles as a line output.

The H2 has an unusual built-in microphone, It's an array composed of
four small cardiod mics. The pair of mics facing the front of the
recorder are most sensitive in a 90 degree arc. The pair facing the
rear best capture a 120 degree arc. You can select to record in
stereo using either pair.

Zoom also makes it possible to record from all four mics
simultaneously, useful when recording ambience. The result can be
saved as a conventional two channel WAV file. Alternatively, the front
and rear mic pairs can be captured in two separate files. These two
files can be encoded into a 5.1 surround format in post-production.
(Software to do so is not included.)

The H2 uses Secure Digital flash memory cards for data storage.
According to Zoom, standard SD cards up to 2GB capacity and 4GB SDHC
cards are approved for use. I tried a 4GB Transcend standard SD card,
and it works, too.

The H2 takes a long time to start up, about 25 seconds with a 4GB SD
card. This will be frustrating when an unexpected recording
opportunity appears. Shutdown takes just 4 seconds.

Battery life using two AA alkaline cells is good. I'm running a test
now. The recorder has created a WAV file 4 hours long, and the
battery meter still shows "full." There are two hours left before I
run out of space on the 4GB SD card.

The H2 file system adds a date and time stamp to recordings. Files
are stored in up to 10 folders to organize them. Files can be renamed
and deleted through the menu system, and split into shorter segments.
File operations include the ability to normalize a recording (that is,
raise the overall volume of a recording so the loudest sound is
exactly 0dB).

Physically, the H2 is quite small. It weighs 166 g (5.9 oz) ready to
record. It's not as slim as the Microtrack 2496 or R-09 recorders
are, but it's easy enough to hold the H2 in one hand and operate the
controls with your thumb, like you would with a cell phone.

Overall construction of the H2 is adequate. The body of the recorder
is silver plastic, similar to the body of an inexpensive digital
camera. The buttons controlling recording are small and offer little
tactile feedback. The doors covering the battery compartment and the
SD memory card slot are not particularly strong. The LCD panel that
displays the recorder's menu system and metering levels is small, but
seems easy to read.

The H2 kit includes a short handle to reduce noise when holding the
recorder in your hand. The handle screws into a threaded socket in
the base of the recorder. The socket accepts the screw on most camera
tripods, making it easy to mount the H2 for unattended recording.
The kit also includes a windscreen that completely covers the
microphone capsule.

The Zoom H2 is widely available for about $200. After the initial
demand for the recorder is met, I think the price will decline a bit.

Read more about the Zoom H2 here:
http://www.samsontech.com/products/productpage.cfm?prodID=1916



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