Author Topic: So, anyone using the core-sound pda recorder yet? (Read 10597 times)

EA · « **on:** September 30, 2003, 06:27:20 PM »

Looks like all the stuff is now shipping. Just curious if anyone is actually using it all yet? The Sound Devices hd recorder is the way I'm headed. But I'd still be interested in how the PDA thing is working out for people.

zhianosatch · « **Reply #1 on:** September 30, 2003, 08:11:10 PM »

Craig T is testing it...

EkoostikMace · « **Reply #2 on:** September 30, 2003, 11:06:10 PM »

Excellent...

Craig T · « **Reply #3 on:** October 01, 2003, 09:16:52 AM »

http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?board=23;action=display;threadid=6246;start=0

I've had to take a break from testing the PDA, but should have some time next week to spend some time tweaking the performance of my iPaq 3835. Right now I can't reliably record 24bit to the 5GB pcmcia drive, but 16/44.1 & 16/48 appear ok. I'll continue to post details on that original thread (see link above).

EA · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2003, 08:55:31 PM »

Just read through that thread. Wow, it's certainly not a turn key set up. Sounds like a lot of work. Keep us posted on how things go though. It's interesting stuff

DaryanLenz · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2003, 09:25:05 PM »

One thing they could do is to have everything on hand to sell as a package. One thing that looks tough is finding all that stuff. They could easily just pacakage it up and make a little coin on th3e side. As in the "all I need is a pda and a clue" package!!

Daryan

creekfreak · « **Reply #6 on:** October 03, 2003, 04:50:14 PM »

the more I look at this solution, the more I don't like it.

danmorgan · « **Reply #7 on:** October 03, 2003, 05:37:55 PM »

Quote from: creekfreak on October 03, 2003, 04:50:14 PM

the more I look at this solution, the more I don't like it.

I'm with you Kris. I didn't really dig the sounds of it fom the get-go.

shmurg · « **Reply #8 on:** October 12, 2003, 01:50:23 PM »

I am using the setup as well. Everything is still in beta testing, besides the hardware. Don't give out on it yet. Everything needs time to get the bugs worked out. I have not been able to do 24bit either, but really have not spent to much time trying to do so. Did you know you can attach a 48 gig hard drive to it (laptop one) and you can record for hours and hours, and not worry about a tape change AT ALL. Did you know you can use ecocharge batteries to run the system (w/4.5v cables). Before being skeptics, let us experimentalists give this a try....its very cool. Yes, it is pretty ridiculous to have to find everything but its fun. Once this thing can do 24/96 it will replace DAT, but until then I agree DAT is here to stay for a while longer.

My 2 cents...

shmurg

PDAUDIO-CF
IPAQ 3850
IBM 48gigHD
Kingston 5GB Card
Toshiba 2GB Card
HP Expansion Pack

PS-others that are running leave some feedback, so more people get in the know.

DaryanLenz · « **Reply #9 on:** October 12, 2003, 04:46:26 PM »

Can you run just the external HD without the expansion cards to do 24 bit? I would think the HD could keep up with the data slew rate much more efficioently! I am thinking about selling my laptop and big ass battery and becoming a tester for this thing, as it looks extremely promising...even though it is core-sound!

Daryan

shmurg · « **Reply #10 on:** October 12, 2003, 05:20:25 PM »

I wouldn't sell the laptop just yet...PDAUDIO-CF has a ways to go. I still can't do the 24/96 yet. I can get 24 bits-marginally, but no 96. I wouldn't until they figure out the 96. Another thing that needs some work is how you can record over 2 GB. Wavelab no prob, but it is a prob for the software end of the CS....

shmurg · « **Reply #11 on:** October 19, 2003, 05:17:41 AM »

Just got the Mic2496...nice unit. Will have official test run at the end of the week with Mule in Chicago. I will be running an IPAQ 3850 with the dual PC card expansion pack. I will try the PC card HD and the addonics exdrive (48GB). I will be testing Witchita and Live2496. So far, I like the live2496 because you don't have a 2GB limit, its 4. Witchita its only 2GB. Witchita also seems to have a few more things that need impovement at the moment. Both are in beta testing though. That means, just get something, because who knows which one will prove better for us tapers.....

Won't wanna be wrong, but both have the for improvement.

shmurg

rustle · « **Reply #12 on:** October 19, 2003, 08:43:38 AM »

Thanks for the post, Shmurg. Let us know how Mule goes. I'm particularly interested in the PDA CF card, any idea when Len will release the windows drivers?

Thanks,

Russell

shmurg · « **Reply #13 on:** October 20, 2003, 12:13:40 AM »

Did some testing here....Here are my results thus far.

My setup:
IPAQ 3850
DUAL PC CARD EXPANSION
PDAUDIO-CF
MIC2496
KINGSTON 5GB PC CARD HD

With this setup I only got about 1hr and 10m until I started getting errors. I got a program failure at about 1hr 30m shutting down the recording. I am using Live2496 as the software for this test. Now I am trying the Exdrive as we speak. Hasn't stopped recording yet and has gone 45min. Don't know if it will stop on an error or have record errors yet, I'll let you know.

The windows driver is supposed to be out in two weeks, but I would say most likely end of NOV.

Laptop may be the way to go, for now. I'll let you know my results.

shmurg

ANY INPUT HELPS US HERE, ANY USERS CHIME IN!

shmurg · « **Reply #14 on:** October 26, 2003, 04:44:04 PM »

I recorded Mule and NEM with the new CS PDAudio-CF and the MIC24/96. I recorded it to an external Addonics Exdrive, using a 3800 series IPAQ and the HP dual PC card expansion pack. I also used the LIVE24/96 software. I recorded at 16/48....Worked great, can't wait to get reliable 24 bits though!

I am offering DAT trades....
Perfect time to hear how the mic24/96 sounds and how thw qualit of the PDAudio-CF is just steller...

Officially I guess it would go:
MBHO's>Mic24/96>PDAUDIO_CF>IPAQ 3800>Addonics EXDRIVE

Let me know...

ISO: of Earlier Crowes material>pre '96 or NEM shows

shmurg@yahoo.com

jjjewett · « **Reply #15 on:** October 27, 2003, 02:31:07 AM »

Ive put linux on my ipaq 3800 and used pdaudio recorder to successfully record 16 and 24 bit streams. Right now I am having trouble getting the Addonics enclosure to work anywhere. It crashes every computer I put it in. So I havent tested the resultant wave files but they are there and sound ok (no pops, clicks, or audible dropouts).

The bugs in the ppc software are whats slowing this down. The PDAudio software is incomplete now, but it does work.

John

shmurg · « **Reply #16 on:** October 30, 2003, 01:26:00 PM »

Can you do a walk through to help me and others load the Lunix software (PDAUDIO) on our IPAQ's? I personally cannot get it on the IPAQ either...I transfer the file (the untar zip) from PC(XP) using ymodem to the IPAQ with the familiar OS. Then after transfer I try and untar the file on the IPAQ with the IPAQ terminal window and then I cannot find the program anywhere? I find a lot of references to the file, but not the program?

You could help us all out if you can do a walk through for us.

THANKS,,

Eric

MattD · « **Reply #17 on:** November 02, 2003, 10:38:42 AM »

Word from Len is that there is now 24/96 capability that he's tested. Can anyone else confirm field use on these things?

Also, how's the durability of the 1/8" SPDIF? Any dropouts or static with that connection? How's the battery life at 24/96 when you try it?

-Matt

shmurg · « **Reply #18 on:** November 17, 2003, 12:37:04 AM »

With the inroduction of the Witchita software 1.02 there are some cool things. The only problem is getting them to work...I still cannot get a reliable 24/96 recording for a extended period of time. Around 30min right now. That is to a PC Card HD. Using the Addonics Exdrive I have done a 2 GB 24/96 without problems. The problem come when the software automatically makes a new file after 2GB, as in Wavelab. The second file corrupts at about 6sec.

Using the PC CARD HD, the first file corrupts and the second is fine. I have had a lot of problems trying 24/96 on the PC CARD...

Live24/96 seems to be working good. I have made a 75min 24/96 file until I got an error.

This stuff does do DAT quality fine. I am still testing the 24/48 quality. Hope things get worked out for the 24/96, but thus far not anything for an extended period of time. You can do a 1 hour 24/96 recording, but that doesn't help most of us.

Still need a walk through to get the Lunix software loaded on my machine. I got it all loaded and executed, but had no driver for the card?

shmurg

Craig T · « **Reply #19 on:** November 17, 2003, 10:10:57 AM »

I loaded the latest Live2496 version and recorded Lotus on Friday night in 24/96. So far it seems like it recorded successfully (although the meters didn't seem to be working correctly). Good news. I did start a new file manually about every hour and I evenually ran out of space on the 5GB pcmcia hard drive. I'm planning on runing some controlled tests at home this week and will report back.

iPaq 3835 w/ dual pc card expansion pack
PDAudio-CF w/ pc>CF adaptor
Toshiba 5GB pc card drive
PocketPC 2002

shmurg · « **Reply #20 on:** November 21, 2003, 03:24:03 AM »

I am recording with the new PDAUDIO setup. I had a problem during the encore. I recorded at 24/48, but the encore ended up ALL static. Please help a fellow taper...If your at the show Friday (tomorrow) please bring a copy, I'll bring an extra blank DAT for you. If not, give me an email. shmurg@yahoo.com

Thanks...

I usually set up near the back of the section. Just ask around for Eric or shmurg.

Eric

Craig T · « **Reply #21 on:** November 21, 2003, 01:41:17 PM »

Quote from: Craig T on November 17, 2003, 10:10:57 AM

I loaded the latest Live2496 version and recorded Lotus on Friday night in 24/96. So far it seems like it recorded successfully (although the meters didn't seem to be working correctly). Good news. I did start a new file manually about every hour and I evenually ran out of space on the 5GB pcmcia hard drive. I'm planning on runing some controlled tests at home this week and will report back.

iPaq 3835 w/ dual pc card expansion pack
PDAudio-CF w/ pc>CF adaptor
Toshiba 5GB pc card drive
PocketPC 2002

2 of the 5 files are 6 minutes of good recording followed by static. 3 of them are fine (45 min, 45 min, 20 min) - but that's not what I'd call a successful test. I'll try 24/48 and see what happens...

shmurg · « **Reply #22 on:** November 21, 2003, 05:22:36 PM »

I am thinking if I let the file go and not break it up it would of been fine? I am having the same trouble as you. I think it will work at 24/48 though. I got 2 sets fine, then I decided to split the encore thinking that is the best thing to do since the file was getting big. Just sucks that I didn't let it go...it would have been fine I think? I am recording again tonight, and I will let it go set->the encore with no breaks. I will report what happens!

shmurg

zhianosatch · « **Reply #23 on:** November 21, 2003, 08:46:13 PM »

Man, I hope this gets figured out. It sounds like a bunch of bullshit.

Craig T · « **Reply #24 on:** November 22, 2003, 02:15:32 PM »

The problem is the writing of 24/96 to a pcmcia hard drive. The drive isn't fast enough to keep up with the data stream. The faster CF cards are reported to work fine, but are $350 for a 1GB card. The Toshiba 5GB pcmcia drive is only $150. My setup works fine in 16bit, but that's not why I bought it. I'm going to try some 24/48 tonight for Galactic.

Tim · « **Reply #25 on:** November 22, 2003, 02:16:45 PM »

thanks for all the hardwork Craig!

shmurg · « **Reply #26 on:** November 24, 2003, 03:12:07 AM »

That is the problem...I have recorded hours on this. I do however think that it can be corrected with some more driver features. BTW The static can be fixed with samplitude(you have to drop samples). I did get all the second set at Phil anf friends at 24/48 and that was 2 hours-all on a 5gb kingston PC card, AWESOME! I have used the Addonics Exdrive as well, and it does perform quite good. I am running tests as we speak.

BTW-Where are my props?

I've been hard at work too....HE, HE!

shmurg

Tim · « **Reply #27 on:** November 24, 2003, 02:14:41 PM »

didn't mean to leave you out!

while I'm glad you can "fix" the static I would prefer that it record properly in the first place. Sounds like this thing is getting closer but isn't quite there yet...

chuckcage · « **Reply #28 on:** November 24, 2003, 03:40:46 PM »

I wish this would all come together... I'm a software developer (and do mobile development as a specialty), so I have a stupid IPAQ 5455 that sits around here eating up desk space. I can't sell it 'cause sure as hell I'd have a PPC project right around the corner, but I don't use it as a PDA because it's too large to carry around easily and CE/PPC 200x is a PITA for just looking up phone numbers.

See, I managed to leverage my $2500 laptop into something fun with a Digidesign 002R, but this PDA just stares at me from by my flat panel screaming, "Ha ha, you can't sell me to buy mics, and I'm worthless for fun!"

Chuck

Lee · « **Reply #29 on:** November 24, 2003, 09:23:18 PM »

Quote from: chuckcage on November 24, 2003, 03:40:46 PM

this PDA just stares at me from by my flat panel screaming, "Ha ha, you can't sell me to buy mics, and I'm worthless for fun!"

+T

dr.ph0b · « **Reply #30 on:** November 26, 2003, 07:41:59 PM »

ill be running my Ipaq h2215 this weekend at P&F and Phish in philly in addition to DAT since its the first live real test. ill be running out of a modsbm1 so i have 2 seperate digital channels. ive tested the PDAudio-CF with both mini coax and mini-optical cables. i have a 7pin optical cable i just put a toslink->mini-optical adapter on the end of and works great. i like it cause its so lightweight, which is best for the card i guess.

my main issue is, since i have the h2215, i am stuck with only being able to use SD memory cards. and the 1gig cards arent out yet. i have a few 512Mb cards tho, so ill have to swap during a break in the music i guess. (wow, im regressing back to my sony D5 analog days)

but like i said.. the dat is for the 'keeper' recording.

im usuing the pocco witchita 1.03 which seems ok. ive noticed a few bugs, but thats expect cause its new stuff.

anyone used other programs succeffully while recording with no corruption from running other programs? like i could run AIM or IRC and relay setlists realtime via a bluetooth connection to a cellphone that has a data plan

ill post my results after this weekend. and if anyone has any tips feel free to lay em on me. and if anyone with PDAudio is gonna be in philly this weekend let me know. maybe we can hook up for some g33k chat

shmurg · « **Reply #31 on:** December 02, 2003, 05:42:57 PM »

I have 2 IPAQ packages to sell for use with the PDAudio-CF.

**NOTE: The PDAudio-CF does NOT come with either of these.

I bought these two for testing, and are my extras. They work identical.

Package 1: $200 shipped
IPAQ 3700 series PDA (stylus hit/miss staying in slot-NO big deal)
HP AC adapter and usb cradle
serial cable
2 cases
power cable to use with Ecocharge 6v system.
1 licensed copy of Pocco Witchita full version (license follows IPAQ, not individual) You will get the serial, it will not work with other systems.

Package 2: $515 shipped
IPAQ 3800 series PDA
HP AC adapter and cradle
power cable to use with Ecocharge 6v system
1 licensed copy of Pocco Witchita full version (license follows IPAQ, not individual) You will get the serial, it will not work with other systems.
HP Dual PC slot PC card expansion slot.
HP external keyboard
Case (for use with expansion pack)
HP WLAN PC Card

All in great shape, no scratches, , everything works A+, no worries! Package 2 is a deal-especially if you need a PDA for school or office use.

I take Paypal, MO.

Get in touch!
shmurg@yahoo.com

Reason for selling: This setup is becoming more and more reliable and I no longer need to test with multiple configs of IPAQ's. I personally still use the 3800 series, but the 3700 series performs equal to the 3800.

MattD · « **Reply #32 on:** December 09, 2003, 09:10:51 AM »

*BUMP* Hoping to hear of more 24/96 testing by Craig and the others who have a PDAudio system. I really want to stop lugging the laptop to shows if I can help it. Somehow it doesn't look like this will happen until the Sound Devices unit is released and proven in the field.

Thanks to all for the hard work.
-Matt

Craig T · « **Reply #33 on:** December 09, 2003, 09:43:10 AM »

I have been able to record 24/96 with Live2496's latest release onto a 5GB pcmcia card. It is very tempermental, though. Once started, I can't stop it and restart - the 2nd "take" has dropped samples. I have to do a soft boot before starting the recording again. I guess it has to do with the write speed of the 5GB drive being too slow. I haven't had an opportunity to do much testing, this was a 1 time attempt at a show a few weeks ago. I have also received a new 24bit capable version of Pocco's Witchita, but haven't had a chance to try it.

I'm still mastering to a laptop.

Author Topic: So, anyone using the core-sound pda recorder yet? (Read 10597 times)

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