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414 question
« on: November 21, 2006, 01:47:25 PM »
Which is the model with the brass capsule?  Is it the EB?  Will the EB always be a brass cap or is is certain serial numbers.  Thanks for any guidence.

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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2006, 01:48:48 PM »

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Re: 414 question
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2006, 02:20:25 PM »
Well I guess my problem is telling the older EB's from the newer ones.  And the regular EB from the EB P48.  Hmm.  I'll have to do some research on serial numbers.  Thanks for the link.

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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2006, 02:31:30 PM »
Well I guess my problem is telling the older EB's from the newer ones.  And the regular EB from the EB P48.  Hmm.  I'll have to do some research on serial numbers.  Thanks for the link.

Hey, no problem.  :)  I just remembered seeing the thread in there from previous searches on 414's

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Re: 414 question
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2006, 02:38:24 PM »
Well I guess my problem is telling the older EB's from the newer ones.  And the regular EB from the EB P48.  Hmm.  I'll have to do some research on serial numbers.  Thanks for the link.

There really aren't any newer EB's.  They did do a reissue in a very small quantity, but other than that there hasn't been an EB manufactured since about 1982 or so.  The EB P48 models say "P48" on the front, so assuming you can read  :P you should be able to weed those out.  Original EB's are all silver.  The P48 have black on one side of the grill.

If all else fails, look through the grill.  If the capsule has a brass ring it's an older EB.  If it's got a white ring it may still be an EB, but it doesn't have the brass capsule.

One thing to keep in mind though - just because it's got a brass capsule doesn't mean it's going to sound good.  Those capsules have not been manufactured in over 30 years.  Even back then AKG's quality control was not exactly what the standard is today.  So it's perfectly possible (and in some cases, LIKELY) to have a newer teflon capsule that sounds better than a brass one.

The first models of the EB used the CK12 brass capsules, left over from the C12 and 412 models before it.  When AKG finally ran out they switched to the teflon capsule in the EB's.  Apparently if you do manage to find a brass capsule model, you should NEVER send it back to AKG.  They have been known to "upgrade" the older capsules to the newer ones, often without notifying the owner until it's too late.

Good luck.  FWIW, brass or teflon, I think the EB model is the best sounding 414 they ever made.  There's just something about it.
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2006, 03:01:36 PM »
 FWIW, brass or teflon, I think the EB model is the best sounding 414 they ever made.  There's just something about it.

are you fluffing AKG?  :P

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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2006, 03:33:27 PM »
 FWIW, brass or teflon, I think the EB model is the best sounding 414 they ever made.  There's just something about it.

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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2006, 03:39:06 PM »
 FWIW, brass or teflon, I think the EB model is the best sounding 414 they ever made.  There's just something about it.

are you fluffing AKG?  :P

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Re: 414 question
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2006, 09:13:25 PM »
Thanks Jazz for the info.  Looks like they are originals with the brass caps.  Absolutely mint to these eyes.  They are from a studio here in Seattle.  The guy wants 1950 for em.  I'm kicking it around.

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Re: 414 question
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2006, 09:21:21 PM »
Thanks Jazz for the info.  Looks like they are originals with the brass caps.  Absolutely mint to these eyes.  They are from a studio here in Seattle.  The guy wants 1950 for em.  I'm kicking it around.

wow, 1950 tho, thats about double average market price, no lets say around 12-1400 MAX
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Re: 414 question
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2006, 09:28:19 PM »
Keep in mind these go for more.  The last 414 EB w/ Brasscap I saw on Ebay went for $1050!

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Re: 414 question
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2006, 09:34:10 PM »
Keep in mind these go for more.  The last 414 EB w/ Brasscap I saw on Ebay went for $1050!

really? wow, i guess i based my pricing on the newer XLII and the XLS/etc, sorry :)
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Re: 414 question
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2006, 09:50:03 PM »
Thanks Jazz for the info.  Looks like they are originals with the brass caps.  Absolutely mint to these eyes.  They are from a studio here in Seattle.  The guy wants 1950 for em.  I'm kicking it around.

wow, 1950 tho, thats about double average market price, no lets say around 12-1400 MAX

You cannot compare a vintage 414 EB with the current crop of products that AKG tries to pass off as microphones.  A good condition CK12 capsule alone can probably pull $1000, so this is a very good price, especially for a pair with known lineage (at least, somewhat - as opposed to a crapshoot mic from Ebay).

If these EB's have the brass ring (pun intended), they would have been made between 1976 and late 1978 or 1979 according to Nick Eipers' chronology.  This is about the time AKG ran out of brass capsules and switched over to the (widely considered) inferior teflon capsule they still use today.  So the mics are 30 years old.  Assuming they spent a good deal of time in a studio environment, the price sounds like a great deal.

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[really? wow, i guess i based my pricing on the newer XLII and the XLS/etc, sorry :)

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Re: 414 question
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2006, 09:56:46 PM »
Whoa, yikes!  Last post got me sounding a little harsh didn't it?  No offense, AKG owners.

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Re: 414 question
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2006, 10:49:44 PM »
Keep in mind these go for more.  The last 414 EB w/ Brasscap I saw on Ebay went for $1050!

really? wow, i guess i based my pricing on the newer XLII and the XLS/etc, sorry :)

You're also basing your expectations on what gear may go for here and occasionally flea bay. Some of the prices that come up here would have engineers and studio owners laughing their way to new mics in a heartbeat.
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Re: 414 question
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2006, 11:33:12 PM »
Keep in mind these go for more.  The last 414 EB w/ Brasscap I saw on Ebay went for $1050!

really? wow, i guess i based my pricing on the newer XLII and the XLS/etc, sorry :)

You're also basing your expectations on what gear may go for here and occasionally flea bay. Some of the prices that come up here would have engineers and studio owners laughing their way to new mics in a heartbeat.

i dont base ANY price expectations on ts.com, i think ALOT of stuff goes here way too cheap, but i was basing on most ebay auctions for XLS matched paiur at 14-1600 MAX, i was def a few bills off :) i was just curious what the brass EB's ran, calm down AKG miclords ;D
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Re: 414 question
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2006, 08:04:30 AM »

One thing to keep in mind though - just because it's got a brass capsule doesn't mean it's going to sound good.  Those capsules have not been manufactured in over 30 years.  Even back then AKG's quality control was not exactly what the standard is today.  So it's perfectly possible (and in some cases, LIKELY) to have a newer teflon capsule that sounds better than a brass one.

The first models of the EB used the CK12 brass capsules, left over from the C12 and 412 models before it.  When AKG finally ran out they switched to the teflon capsule in the EB's.  Apparently if you do manage to find a brass capsule model, you should NEVER send it back to AKG.  They have been known to "upgrade" the older capsules to the newer ones, often without notifying the owner until it's too late.

Good luck.  FWIW, brass or teflon, I think the EB model is the best sounding 414 they ever made.  There's just something about it.

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