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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Recording Media => Topic started by: blu666z on June 26, 2004, 07:24:04 PM
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What does everybody trust more as far as longevity of the media? Trying to decide if its worth my time to rearchive my SHNs onto DVD from CD.
-Kevin
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working on SHN backups for now, no DVD burner here, slow ass shitty old computer that barely can handle a transfer... its easy, and for $.20 a disc or less, thats not bad to archive shns on, put them all on a spindle with a label, and you know what you have, and they are all there ready to go. peace.
Matt
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I have been archiving on DVD. I'm not too concerned with longevitiy as I know I will eventually convert what I have on dvd to whatever is used in the future. From what I hear the next thing is a DVD that holds 10 X more data than the current ones. That would be almost 50 gigs on one disc. When that happens, ill migrate the collection to that media.
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From what I hear the next thing is a DVD that holds 10 X more data than the current ones. That would be almost 50 gigs on one disc.
fuckin' shit, are you serious? 50 GB?
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From what I hear the next thing is a DVD that holds 10 X more data than the current ones. That would be almost 50 gigs on one disc.
fuckin' shit, are you serious? 50 GB?
think how long that would take to burn
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the dual layer dvds are just starting to come out, they hold 8.5GB, but they are supposed to be 5-8 bucks when available in mass production
I have just started putting my on DVD since they are on hard drives right now for an extra backup
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double-sided DVDs accomplish the same thing. Dual-layer double-siders can hold 17GB, nifty eh?
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I have been archiving on DVD. I'm not too concerned with longevitiy as I know I will eventually convert what I have on dvd to whatever is used in the future. From what I hear the next thing is a DVD that holds 10 X more data than the current ones. That would be almost 50 gigs on one disc. When that happens, ill migrate the collection to that media.
I believe your refferring to Blue laser burner's. They are more like 25gigs per layer. I sappose they could make dual layered blue laser discs. it's going to be quite some time until these hit the consumer market, if ever. They are intended for HDTV, which takes approx. 12gigs per hour.
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now that I have my new laptop with an internal dvd burner that I will be taping on in 24bit I will be archiving on DVD soon.
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now that I have my new laptop with an internal dvd burner that I will be taping on in 24bit I will be archiving on DVD soon.
WOW...looks like he is here to toot his own horn. He now has a computer that everyone else had 2 years ago, lol. If we are here to do that then lemme tell you i have a laptop with a 4x dual +/- burner and 32 bit soundcard and I have had that for about a year already the list goes on....lol, big deal, a computer doesnt make you who you are Creek! and your burner on your laptop is probably a 2x or something like that, so don't pretend to have something cool when you don't, or at least do you reasearch first. :D
Don't be a jackass, Crobs808, CF isn't tooting his own horn. What in his statement could possibly have indicated he's tooting his own horn? Nothing, that's what. He just happened to fall into a no-cost laptop:
http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=20962.0
But I suppose he should've turned it down because it isn't up to par with your laptop, Mr. Horn-Tooter. Engage your brain before posting, please.
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now that I have my new laptop with an internal dvd burner that I will be taping on in 24bit I will be archiving on DVD soon.
WOW...looks like he is here to toot his own horn. He now has a computer that everyone else had 2 years ago, lol. If we are here to do that then lemme tell you i have a laptop with a 4x dual +/- burner and 32 bit soundcard and I have had that for about a year already the list goes on....lol, big deal, a computer doesnt make you who you are Creek! and your burner on your laptop is probably a 2x or something like that, so don't pretend to have something cool when you don't, or at least do you reasearch first. :D
hey fartstick, I'm happy for him, skalinder is happy for him, why can't you be happy for him?
(http://www.btinternet.com/~assclown/images/meter.jpg)
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WOW...looks like he is here to toot his own horn.
and it looks like you're here to douche things up!
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i seem to recall another incident of what might be called "tooting..."
it was EAC, i had the highest quality settings on, and it still sucked. I have a kick ass computer, so i know it isnt that. I even ran it on my server computer which is a dual processor (2) amd-64fx chips each with 1.5mb cache and 3.0ghz each, and it still ran slow as hell with the settings I wanted it to have, multi pass, good quality, etc...oh well. since my site is all up and sounds great using audoigrabber and nero to convert to RM files, I am fine. Check it out.. http://www.concretepie.com/
~connor
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now that I have my new laptop with an internal dvd burner that I will be taping on in 24bit I will be archiving on DVD soon.
WOW...looks like he is here to toot his own horn. He now has a computer that everyone else had 2 years ago, lol. If we are here to do that then lemme tell you i have a laptop with a 4x dual +/- burner and 32 bit soundcard and I have had that for about a year already the list goes on....lol, big deal, a computer doesnt make you who you are Creek! and your burner on your laptop is probably a 2x or something like that, so don't pretend to have something cool when you don't, or at least do you reasearch first. :D
uh? What you just said makes no sense, stil trying to figure out what you are trying to get at.
I was just commenting on how I will be using DVD to archive soon myself and why....not sure what that has to do with tooting my horn but I guess you have nothing better to do today.
do my research? try doing yours....who would use an internal soundcard on their lappy to tape? I'm using firwire, but maybe that would explain why your tapes suck. ;D
And for the record....no one had this laptop 2 years ago, unless you are good at time traveling. ;D
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When you burn audio onto a dual layer DVD is there ever any "hiccup" when it switches layers. I notice this on a lot of movies, bugs the hell out of me.
Also are you able to turn the 24 bit recordings into a surround format?
DVD burning is looking pretty cool, gotta start reading up on this.
And to toot my horn, I built my computer with a buddy one day while we were drinking a lot of beer. It is kind of off white and made out of clay and real Cedar(helps keep moths away) It dosent work very well, but it's all mine and I love it
+t to all :-*
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p.s. - my tapes dont suck cause i dont tape, lol, loser.
let's keep it that way
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you seem to think that one consumer products hit the market that is when everyone else gets them? lol...you do realize that business could buy mac g5's and amd 64 fx-51 proccessors like 2 years ago right, way before they hit the consumer market? it helps to know what you are talking about before you act like you have something "new" when you really have something very outdated :) just FYI there buddy
~connor
p.s. - my tapes dont suck cause i dont tape, lol, loser.
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a new troll on the board.......welcome, enjoy your stay jackass. Never claimed to know what I was talking about...that's what we have you for I guess ::)
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you seem to think that one consumer products hit the market that is when everyone else gets them? lol...you do realize that business could buy mac g5's and amd 64 fx-51 proccessors like 2 years ago right, way before they hit the consumer market? it helps to know what you are talking about before you act like you have something "new" when you really have something very outdated :) just FYI there buddy
~connor
p.s. - my tapes dont suck cause i dont tape, lol, loser.
hey, it's the guy with the biggest dick on the internet!
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you seem to think that one consumer products hit the market that is when everyone else gets them? lol...you do realize that business could buy mac g5's and amd 64 fx-51 proccessors like 2 years ago right, way before they hit the consumer market? it helps to know what you are talking about before you act like you have something "new" when you really have something very outdated :) just FYI there buddy
~connor
p.s. - my tapes dont suck cause i dont tape, lol, loser.
hey, it's the guy with the biggest dick on the internet!
I heard about this dude, I've been looking for him over at myfreepaysite.com for months now, he was always so elusive.
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you seem to think that one consumer products hit the market that is when everyone else gets them? lol...you do realize that business could buy mac g5's and amd 64 fx-51 proccessors like 2 years ago right, way before they hit the consumer market? it helps to know what you are talking about before you act like you have something "new" when you really have something very outdated :) just FYI there buddy
~connor
p.s. - my tapes dont suck cause i dont tape, lol, loser.
What an asshole.
I still have no DVD burner for archiving / burning my 24 bit recordings. I have been just leaving them on HDD until I can afford a burner. I was about to buy 1 and realized that I don't have a tower with enough juice to install a DVD burner. My laptop is the only machine that has the specs and I would prefer to just build an new tower to kill a few birds with stone
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Finally, a topic I actually have some insight on... or it least, it WAS that topic....
Anyway, DVDs are reliable, but I don't trust any media any farther than under the caster wheel on my chair. I continue to keep multiple backups, on different hard drives in case one fails and in case the removable media fails. And one copy off site, in case there is a fire which consumes hard drives and removable media on site. And yes, the technology will continue to upgrade every 5 years or so. We don't need to worry about whether a DVD will last 25 years or 50 because DVDs will likely be obsolete before either of those. I heard about a disc that is on the drawing board for about 10 years out that will hold 1.7 terabytes. Can you imagine putting 2600 of your most favorite CDs on one disc? Or 360 DVDs?
And, with DVDs being so cheap - I am getting decent quality discs for around $1 each - and with burners being cheap too, it doesn't make sense not to use DVDs.
The Blue discs are a reality. They are in production now, and could be mass-marketed sooner than you might expect. They are 27 Gb +/- depending on how you measure. I have not seen the specs on these, but I expect they will burn significantly faster than DVDs, at least in terms of MB/s. Higher density data has always had a comparable increase in speed to accompany it. If it takes 4 hours to burn one of these new discs, few people will buy them.
History shows that the market does not support double sided discs because they require a caddy, of some form of enclosure that keeps the minmum unit cost too high. Double (and possibly triple or quad layer) discs are completely feasible and supportable by the market.
Another thing the market doesn't support is more than two types of removable storage media at one time... at least not for very long. When the next level of DVD becomes widespread, CDs will begin to phase out. Of course, CDs will be the exception because they are not just a computer media, like all the rest of the historical examples for computer media. There are enough standalone CD players/mp3 players that the demand for CDs will be around for a long time, but they will become less and less popular, and less capable of handling the increasing file sizes, to the point that using them for computer media storage will be almost foolish. DVDs will be resistant to phasing out as well, but it will happen.
Kenneth
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Finally, a topic I actually have some insight on... or it least, it WAS that topic....
Anyway, DVDs are reliable, but I don't trust any media any farther than under the caster wheel on my chair. I continue to keep multiple backups, on different hard drives in case one fails and in case the removable media fails. And one copy off site, in case there is a fire which consumes hard drives and removable media on site. And yes, the technology will continue to upgrade every 5 years or so. We don't need to worry about whether a DVD will last 25 years or 50 because DVDs will likely be obsolete before either of those. I heard about a disc that is on the drawing board for about 10 years out that will hold 1.7 terabytes. Can you imagine putting 2600 of your most favorite CDs on one disc? Or 360 DVDs?
And, with DVDs being so cheap - I am getting decent quality discs for around $1 each - and with burners being cheap too, it doesn't make sense not to use DVDs.
The Blue discs are a reality. They are in production now, and could be mass-marketed sooner than you might expect. They are 27 Gb +/- depending on how you measure. I have not seen the specs on these, but I expect they will burn significantly faster than DVDs, at least in terms of MB/s. Higher density data has always had a comparable increase in speed to accompany it. If it takes 4 hours to burn one of these new discs, few people will buy them.
History shows that the market does not support double sided discs because they require a caddy, of some form of enclosure that keeps the minmum unit cost too high. Double (and possibly triple or quad layer) discs are completely feasible and supportable by the market.
Another thing the market doesn't support is more than two types of removable storage media at one time... at least not for very long. When the next level of DVD becomes widespread, CDs will begin to phase out. Of course, CDs will be the exception because they are not just a computer media, like all the rest of the historical examples for computer media. There are enough standalone CD players/mp3 players that the demand for CDs will be around for a long time, but they will become less and less popular, and less capable of handling the increasing file sizes, to the point that using them for computer media storage will be almost foolish. DVDs will be resistant to phasing out as well, but it will happen.
Kenneth
finally, some intelligent conversastion in this thread
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the more i use message boards, the lower the peoples' IQs that i come across are.
You haven't posted a single intelligent comment since joining us here. People are responding in kind to your posts. Common denominator: you. Everywhere you post, you post useless drivel. People respond in kind. Therefore, every else is an idiot. Brilliant. Simply brilliant. Take a look in the mirror, jackass.
and why am i an asshole for pointing out the truth...
Truth? Where is this truth of which you speak? You're an asshole because you're making inappropriate, presumptuous, judgemental, derogatory comments regarding people about whom you know nothing. There's no truth in your comments.
and how can you not afford a DVD burner but afford decent taping equipment? dvd burners for towers are down to $50 and external firewire ones are only $100...
Try using that brain of yours, Mr. IQ, or is basic math a stretch for you? Perhaps one doesn't make all that much money to begin with and stretches their finances to purchase the gear and is able to maintain just enough discretionary income to attend concerts here and there. Hence, no discretionary income for a DVD burner, even a $50-$100 burner. But really, that isn't even the issue - he'd simply rather build a new tower first. Try reading the post again and pay attention this time:
I still have no DVD burner for archiving / burning my 24 bit recordings. I have been just leaving them on HDD until I can afford a burner. I was about to buy 1 and realized that I don't have a tower with enough juice to install a DVD burner. My laptop is the only machine that has the specs and I would prefer to just build an new tower to kill a few birds with stone.
anyway, dont complain about in a hobby that requires money for good equipment
No one complained. Someone simply stated the fact they can't afford a DVD burner at the moment and have a plan to include one when they build a new tower. Huh, whaddya know...another presumptuous comment from our new jackass troll. ::)
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ignore the troll....
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ignore the troll....
Yeah, I usually do, but I've been cranky lately. Good advice, CF...thanks for snapping me out of it... :)
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hehe, they are tough to ignore, but they do what they do for one reason, to illicit a response...................
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I download at work and archive to cd's (no dvd burner... yet)
But even if I did have a DVD burner at work I don't know if I'd want to put 4 different shows (possibly from 4 different bands) on one DVD. I organize my discs in spindles alphabetically/chronologically... Occasionally I will stick a short show on a disc with another show... but when I do that... to find the show I have to look it up off my list on etree and look at my notes to see what disc the show is on. A PAIN in the butt.
DVD's per MB are cheaper than CD-Rs now... $1 for 4.7GB is cheaper than $0.20 for 700MB.
However if all my shows were on DVD I would have to do that to find anything.
But I guess it would be nice when you have 3-4 similar shows (like 4 sources from the same show, or a 4 show run) on a single DVD... this would fit nicely into my spindle system.
As for moving stuff from cd -> dvd... I'd thought about that... But I don't think it would be worth it. It wouldn't be much more convienient. And would take forever. I'd also thought about doing this so I would have 2 backups... but with BT and hi speed inet... it's super easy to find most shows... If my copy of XXX gets lost or destroyed... Who cares... 1,000 other people have a copy. There is just too much music out there for me to worry about losing a show or two. Also in a few years archive.org could have 500,000 shows.
--mizary
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i work in archival and have encountered some problems with dvd media. the dvd+r and dvd-r are kind of like pal and ntsc in that they require different players to read the signal.
for this reason i currently shy away from dvd.
with CD-r's the life of the typical cheap, yet convienent blank disc is anywhere from 2 years to 10 years. the 'Gold' quality cd-r's though i think are the way to go for long term perservation and archiving (possibly 100 years). these discs are not cheap and granted they are not necessary for a show that can be easily picked up from archive.org. but for the one of a kind shows, these Gold cd-r's may be worthwhile.
luke
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I waited for a long time to see which DVD standard would take over, but one never did, so I finally just got a burner that would handle both, and its hit and miss when trying to send a disc to someone as to whether their readers will read it. Biut at a dollar a disc, it doesn't hurt to send dupes.
The best CDs are the Diamond. You can't buy these in the stores. The Platinum is the next best. I wouldn't buy anything less than that, myself.
Kenneth
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actually, the best CDs have alot of brands, the best DVD's are RITEK :)
~connor
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actually, the best CDs have alot of brands, the best DVD's are RITEK :)
~connor
Ritek are better than TY DVDs?
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yes, RITEK are the best (ridata) and the best place to buy them is http://www.supermediastore.com/
so cheap :)
~connor
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hehe, they are tough to ignore, but they do what they do for one reason, to illicit a response...................
EXACTLY!! the fact that someone has to tell you that is pretty sad, and prives most of your IQ's are in fact very low.
yes, I am here just for entertainment value to get responses from the dumb people. the smart people are the ones who never even post anything, so keep the posting up, prove your stupidity, it is rather fun to watch the mingling of the lesser wits! haha ;D
yawn
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the smart people are the ones who never even post anything, so keep the posting up, prove your stupidity,
I guess that explains why you keep posting here.... but really, you have already proven your stupidity. Take a break, you must be tired.
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no, we talk right to you. there won;t be much thought of you until you return.
now, you keep promising to leave, I went out of my way to help you. Please hold up your end of the bargain.
We want to miss you, so please leave
rofl!!
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now that I have my new laptop with an internal dvd burner that I will be taping on in 24bit I will be archiving on DVD soon.
WOW...looks like he is here to toot his own horn. He now has a computer that everyone else had 2 years ago, lol. If we are here to do that then lemme tell you i have a laptop with a 4x dual +/- burner and 32 bit soundcard and I have had that for about a year already the list goes on....lol, big deal, a computer doesnt make you who you are Creek! and your burner on your laptop is probably a 2x or something like that, so don't pretend to have something cool when you don't, or at least do you reasearch first. :D
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you seem to think that one consumer products hit the market that is when everyone else gets them? lol...you do realize that business could buy mac g5's and amd 64 fx-51 proccessors like 2 years ago right, way before they hit the consumer market? it helps to know what you are talking about before you act like you have something "new" when you really have something very outdated :) just FYI there buddy
~connor
p.s. - my tapes dont suck cause i dont tape, lol, loser.
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you seem to think that one consumer products hit the market that is when everyone else gets them? lol...you do realize that business could buy mac g5's and amd 64 fx-51 proccessors like 2 years ago right, way before they hit the consumer market? it helps to know what you are talking about before you act like you have something "new" when you really have something very outdated :) just FYI there buddy
~connor
p.s. - my tapes dont suck cause i dont tape, lol, loser.
hey, it's the guy with the biggest dick on the internet!
I heard about this dude, I've been looking for him over at myfreepaysite.com for months now, he was always so elusive.
myfreepaysite.com....what r u talking about? jeez....the more i use message boards, the lower the peoples' IQs that i come across are. and why am i an asshole for pointing out the truth...and how can you not afford a DVD burner but afford decent taping equipment? dvd burners for towers are down to $50 and external firewire ones are only $100...anyway, dont complain about in a hobby that requires money for good equipment
whatever people!
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im cool im cool im cool now :) I'm Good Now :)
~connor
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amateur troll editing all his posts. bitch