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Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« on: April 08, 2010, 01:40:14 PM »
I'm using Vegas Studio 9 for my multi-camera mixes.  I used Studio, and Adobe Encore to make DVD's, but have since moved to DVD Architect.

I shoot everything in 16:9, and when I get done I render it as NTSC Widescreen as an .avi.  When I used Adobe to do the DVD, it looked correct aspect ratio wise.  Now since I have moved to Architect, it is 16:9, but there it is in the middle of the TV, with bars on top and bottom, and sides.  It is like it is half screen.  It used to fill the whole Widescreen TV.

I just looked another show I rendered in Studio, but haven't put it in Architect yet.  On my widescreen computer the show is 16:9 with bars on the top & bottom, and sides.

What is the proper setting to render so that is the show is 16:9 and fills the full screen of a widescreen TV?  I never had this issue the Premiere, (but had every computer realted issue), so it's something I'm doing in Studio.

When creating a DVD with Architect, what is the proper way to create it so that it is correct on the TV?

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2010, 03:42:58 PM »
First in vegas go to project properties and make sure they are set to the same settings as your source footage,when you put media in the timeline vegas does not change the default project properties which are standard 4:3 dv

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2010, 06:55:29 PM »
Why aren't you rendering out to MPEG2 using one of the widescreen DVD presets? So is DVD Architect re-transcoding your AVI's again to MPEG2?

If you render out straight to the right MPEG2 preset from Vegas, then render out your audio (either PCM or AC3), you can then just plop your files into DVD Architect and it will just use the files verbatim as is.
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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2010, 12:30:07 PM »
BTW this is a Vegas question...I used to render 1hr video this this settings MPEG2, BEST, render rate: 7,700,000, no audio..it will usually take about 1 hour to finish rendering. Now it is taking 7 hours to render my avi files to mpeg with the same settings. Is there something wrong with my computer? Do need to clear something out? I tried to clean up my C drive and defragment my C drive hoping it will speed up the rendering process like it used to be. But still it is taking about 7 hours to render my videos. Can someone tell me why it is happening?
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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2010, 08:57:19 PM »
Are you using magic bullet fx or any effects?heavy color correction?that can triple your render times.also check to make sure the opacity is at 100percent at the track level and event level .its easy to accidentally lower the opacity which will add to render time.do you have alot of text or a constant watermark?that could also be the culprit.and also render to a different harddrive than the one your source media is on,you dont want to read from and write to the same drive cuz it will take longer.

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2010, 10:35:27 PM »
Are you using magic bullet fx or any effects?heavy color correction?that can triple your render times.also check to make sure the opacity is at 100percent at the track level and event level .its easy to accidentally lower the opacity which will add to render time.do you have alot of text or a constant watermark?that could also be the culprit.and also render to a different harddrive than the one your source media is on,you dont want to read from and write to the same drive cuz it will take longer.

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2010, 01:15:34 PM »
Thanks for your reply. I tried refragmenting my C drive after cleaning it and it seems to work faster now. So maybe it's due to not refragmenting it.
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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2010, 11:26:53 AM »
Why aren't you rendering out to MPEG2 using one of the widescreen DVD presets? So is DVD Architect re-transcoding your AVI's again to MPEG2?

If you render out straight to the right MPEG2 preset from Vegas, then render out your audio (either PCM or AC3), you can then just plop your files into DVD Architect and it will just use the files verbatim as is.

I have a custom template setup for rendering to widescreen DVD which works well.  I understand that by rending to MPEG2 that would speed up the DVD process because DVDA would need to transcode the file.  I do have a couple questions since I've never done it like this:

Is the quality better if I used this method?  I would change my custom template to MPEG2.

Can I have the audio with the video?

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2010, 08:52:51 PM »
My method is to render the mpeg from vegas,you don't want dvd architect to render for you.you render 2 files out of vegas,an audio file and a mpeg video.name them the same and dvd architect will know to use them together.

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2010, 08:02:11 PM »
was having the same issues and found solutions that worked in this thread. thanks!!!!

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2010, 09:58:12 PM »
I used Studio, and Adobe Encore to make DVDs, but have since moved to DVD Architect.

I stopped using DVD Architect - it all too often wants to render the audio without any options of stopping it from doing so.

I switched to TMPGenc DVD Author - and haven't ever regretted it.
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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2010, 01:51:33 AM »
so this may seem like a noob-ish question but i'm ready to render with Vegas and can't figure out how to render a full show into separate clips/songs easily. of course i'm envisioning i could do it one at a time by splitting up clips, moving each clip to its own separate track (ending up with dozens and dozens of tracks), muting all the other tracks but song 1 and render...next mute all tracks but song 2 and render...etc. that seems like a lot of tedious work though. is there a simpler way to tell it to render all clips at the same time, one after another seamlessly? i've poked around the menus and help contents and can't figure out how to do that. thanks.

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2010, 05:12:32 PM »
put the full recording single track, set markers in the time line where you want to split into tracks then you have just to select the areas between the markers (Marker 1 to 2 = Clip 1, Marker 2 to 3 = Clip 2 and proceed )

on rendering screen the program should automatically set into "selection only" (don´t know the english text there, using german version ;) )
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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2010, 08:15:42 PM »
Unless you want fade in fade out on all your individual songs theres no need to make splits or move to other tracks and mute.What you could do is set IN and OUT points for each section you want to render.Place the cursor where you want the render to start and press the I for inpoint on keyboard,the inpoint is set.The same for where you want the render to end but press O for outpoint.A loop region is set.Go to render and make sure the "render loop region only" box is selected.  After that render is complete you will do the same for all other songs.

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2010, 05:11:14 PM »
thanks for the suggestions. what i've begun doing is keeping the whole show in one track, but splitting between songs and dragging the loop region over each song and rendering loop region only. then drag the loop region to the next song and repeat. splitting makes it easy as that way i don't have to make note of the exact min/sec/frame i want -- the dragging feature just intuitively locks to the split point. still have to do it one song at a time, but i don't imagine there's going to be a neat way to do it all at once as i don't see a 'batch render' feature anywhere.

btw, i'm encoding a bunch of shows for upload to youtube and/or facebook, and taking into account youtube's recommendations for settings that will yield best results when uploaded...i'm encoding to mp4 obviously, starting with the iPod 640x480 template, then just tweaking it by changing rendering quality from 'good' to 'best' and checking the 'two-pass' box. sound good or should i be doing something different?

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2010, 09:36:12 PM »
In vegas pro there is the ability to use scripts,but not in the lite versions. Sony gives you a batch render script in TOOLS.But that just allows you to render 1 segment to a bunch of different formats.As for you tube rendering... That would depend on your source material  if its hd you should render to hd.And i always use Best Full resolution rendering it makes a big difference especially with hd footage.For you tube i use windows media video with 6mbps.
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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2010, 10:14:43 PM »
no HD...this is all standard def MiniDV video transferred via Vegas' Sony Video Capture.

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2010, 02:28:53 PM »
alright the first settings i tried, MPEG-4, 640x480, mp3 @ 128kbps, 48khz didn't work AT ALL for youtube. the rendered files look and sound fine on my PC, but when i uploaded one to youtube...A) it didn't fill the youtube window (too small) B) the video quality had been degraded to an unacceptable level and C) worst of all, the audio sounded like shit, like an mp3 encoded at 48kbps or something.

obviously i need to try some different settings and render again, as the quality the first time was simply unacceptable. it was like comparing a VHS master to a 6th gen copy. i knew youtube compresses stuff, but i thought they improved the quality of videos in recent years by adding an HD option? my video isn't in HD, but still, i thought their improved quality would apply to standard def and to improved audio quality as well?

this is MiniDV video shot in widescreen being sync'ed to external audio source in 16/44.1 WAV. now i'm confused because originally i found a youtube help page recommending MPEG-4 and 640x480 as the optimal format for uploading, but now i found another one recommending MPEG-2 and the original resolution, which in my case is 720x480.  ??? anyone have any guidance? i'm going to try again in MPEG-2, 720x480, mp3 @ 224kbps, 44.1khz and see how that looks when uploaded.

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2010, 03:42:39 PM »
Try WMV with 192kbps audio and video at 8mbps.

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2010, 03:55:44 PM »
In wmv there is a custom tab on video size change to 720 x 480 and change the pixel size to 1.2121 and in last tab 8mbps make sure quality slider is at 100 and best full resolution rendering (also in vegas project properties).The initial you tube upload will be low quality and the higher quality version will still be processing and be available shortly after.

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2010, 04:13:18 PM »
ok, i'll give wmv a try too. any idea how big a resulting wmv file might be at those settings for say, a song in the 3-6 minute range? when i rendered one song (6 minutes, 9 seconds) in MPEG-4 (the first file that turned out poor on youtube) the file size was 53 MB. i just did MPEG-2 with a bitrate of 9.5 MB/s and that seems a lot better quality, but the file size for that same song is now 397 MB.  :-\ which leads me to the key factor i hadn't really considered -- how long these are going to take to upload. i know youtube allows files to be up to 2GB now, so the size isn't an issue in terms of their limits, but it is an issue in terms of my upload speed -- i only get around 30 MB/s upload. of course i could just leave it uncompressed and render in raw DV/AVI w/PCM WAV audio for best quality, but a single song would probably be anywhere from 600 MB to 1.3 GB in that form and would take anywhere from 6 to 12 hours PER SONG to upload on my connection in that form. that's a bit insane. even that MPEG-2 file i just rendered would take quite a while. so i guess i'm also trying to find the best tradeoff in quality vs. reasonable upload times.

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2010, 05:42:46 PM »
First i may have the aspect ratio wrong it may be 1.12121 will double check in a bit.Also ive tried every way of uploading and the method i mentioned was the best.I tried raw avi which took much longer and made no difference. You tube compresses regardless. I think youll be pleased with my method.

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2010, 08:03:37 PM »
how long these are going to take to upload. i know youtube allows files to be up to 2GB now, so the size isn't an issue in terms of their limits, but it is an issue in terms of my upload speed

I've recently uploaded some big files to youtube (1GB+).  I was pleasantly surprised to see that they uploaded very quickly - around an hour for a 1.5GB file.  Of course, upload bandwidth is a critical factor.  But as far as how fast youtube goes - it's very fast.

The only thing that seemed to make a difference was the time of day for the uploading.  Late at night = the fastest upload times.  Early evening = the slowest.
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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2010, 08:28:09 PM »
Yes time of day is a big factor for upload speeds...and for the pixel aspect ratio it is 1.2121 for dv widescreen.Sorry for inaccurate info earlier.

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2010, 11:13:56 PM »
i only get around 30 MB/s upload

That sounds pretty darn fast to me.  I get, maximum, about 70 kilobytes per second upload.  Or about 0.07 MB/s.
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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2010, 11:57:25 PM »
i only get around 30 MB/s upload

That sounds pretty darn fast to me.  I get, maximum, about 70 kilobytes per second upload.  Or about 0.07 MB/s.

whoops, haha. yeah, 30 MB/s would be phenomenal. of course that was a typo and what i meant to say was 30 KB/s.

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2010, 10:30:22 AM »
alright, if this is the best that can be done with youtube in 2010, i'm about to give up on it. i tried the wmv you suggested beatkilla -- the file itself has good quality and is around 213 MB for a 6 min video, which is high but is an acceptable size i guess. took about 2 hours to upload and the first time it got to 100% and said "upload failed due to an unknown error", so i tried again...another 2 hours and this time it went through. so after 4 hours of uploading, the video quality isn't too bad, a little degraded from the wmv file but acceptable i suppose. but the real problem is still with the audio -- it sounds terrible. the audio was 16/44.1 wav in Vegas, then rendered to 320 kbps/44.1 in the WMV file. i thought maybe youtube uses 128kbps/44.1, which usually sounds like a mostly acceptable copy of the original. but the audio in my youtube upload sounds nothing like the original -- now it sounds all muffled and poor, and all clarity on the high end has been lost. the cymbals now sound all gross and crunchy. this is even in 480p -- in 360p it sounds even worse. it sounds like youtube is compressing the audio to maybe, at best, 64kbps/22khz as well as adding some nasty dynamic range compression or something else. whatever it is, it's unacceptable and i don't see any way to get around it as youtube seems to provide lots of info and choices about video quality (concerning HD), but says nothing about audio. i find it ridiculous that they allow all this space now for HD video but they can't provide a few extra MB of streaming space for improved audio (say, 128kpbs or 192kbps mp3s?)

ETA: after digging around forums it appears standard def video has a max audio bitrate on youtube of 76kbps, and even for HD the best you get is 128kbps. screw that! my videos aren't in HD so i'm not going to bother 'up-converting' them and going through a whole shitload of extra time in rendering larger files and uploading larger files just to possibly improve the audio quality from 'total shit' to 'mediocre'. gonna try uploading to facebook and see what the quality is like there, as i've heard it's better than youtube. if it's better there, might just post everything to facebook instead.
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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2010, 12:59:00 PM »
I don't know what it allows as far as audio and video specs, but also check out the video upload site vimeo.com.  I have uploaded a lot of videos there and they *appear* to look nicer to me than videos I've uploaded to youtube.
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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2010, 01:05:46 PM »
hmm, now i notice that if you add &fmt=18 to the end of the URL it improves the audio quality greatly. though most people aren't going to figure that out as the default link that will come up in search will be the regular one with poor audio. argghhh...

yeah i was thinking about giving vimeo a try too.

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Re: Rendering issue with Vegas Studio 9
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2010, 05:45:33 PM »
With my settings dhdnt you get a watch in higher quality button?

 

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