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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #120 on: June 28, 2017, 05:48:28 PM »
Setting aside the difference in the number of channels and HDMI control, what is your impression of the mixpre audio quality vs your experience with the tascam dr100mkIII? 

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #121 on: June 28, 2017, 06:00:25 PM »
Setting aside the difference in the number of channels and HDMI control, what is your impression of the mixpre audio quality vs your experience with the tascam dr100mkIII?

I can't compare it to the dr100mkIII, but my subjective experience is that the Mixpre6 is far better than either my old Busman mod Dr70d or Littlebox>m10 rigs with Schoeps capsules.
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Cables: 2x nbob KCY, 1 pair nbob actives, GAKables 10' & 20' 6-channel snakes, Darktrain 2 & 4 channel KCY and mini xlr extensions:
Preamps:    Schoeps VMS 02iub, Naiant IPA, Sound Devices Mixpre6 I
Recorders: Sound Devices Mixpre6 I, Sony PCM m10

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #122 on: June 28, 2017, 07:55:01 PM »
I think I read somewhere in this thread that the preamps in these new SD mixpres are on a par with the 7 series?  Any 7 series owners care to comment? 

Just trying to understand  where these mixpres rank on a scale relative to other recorder options.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #123 on: June 28, 2017, 08:08:25 PM »
I'd like to hear Schoeps user thoughts on the MS preamps compared to sound of Naiant IPA and nbox.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #124 on: June 29, 2017, 12:29:29 AM »
I'd like to hear Schoeps user thoughts on the MS preamps compared to sound of Naiant IPA and nbox.

This might help, PM me for google drive if they don't seed quickly.

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=593529
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Location: Balcony Rail DFC
Source: Schoeps mk22 (NOS)> Nbob KCY> Naiant Littlebox> Sound Devices Mixpre6 @ 24/48
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Capsules: Schoeps mk41v (x2), mk22 (x2), mk3 (x2), mk21 & mk8
Cables: 2x nbob KCY, 1 pair nbob actives, GAKables 10' & 20' 6-channel snakes, Darktrain 2 & 4 channel KCY and mini xlr extensions:
Preamps:    Schoeps VMS 02iub, Naiant IPA, Sound Devices Mixpre6 I
Recorders: Sound Devices Mixpre6 I, Sony PCM m10

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #125 on: June 29, 2017, 06:10:53 AM »
I think I read somewhere in this thread that the preamps in these new SD mixpres are on a par with the 7 series?  Any 7 series owners care to comment? 

Just trying to understand  where these mixpres rank on a scale relative to other recorder options.

I'm most interested to hear how they compare to the 788T preamps (and A/D) specifically, which are different from the rest of the 7-series and are still considered the best pres SD has made.

http://www.sounddevices.com/tech-notes/788t-microphone-preamplifiers
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #126 on: June 29, 2017, 07:59:42 AM »
I think I read somewhere in this thread that the preamps in these new SD mixpres are on a par with the 7 series?  Any 7 series owners care to comment? 

Just trying to understand  where these mixpres rank on a scale relative to other recorder options.

I'm most interested to hear how they compare to the 788T preamps (and A/D) specifically, which are different from the rest of the 7-series and are still considered the best pres SD has made.

http://www.sounddevices.com/tech-notes/788t-microphone-preamplifiers

There's starting to be some samples out there on archive...every week another show or two shows are posted.  Search 'mixpre3' or 'mixpre6'.  In my limited sampling, I'm loving the sound of the mixpre preamps.  It's anecdotal sampling for sure, but the samples sound way more saturated in the lows and less sterile/tinny sounding than the early 7xx series, yet very clean and detailed.  I can't really say about the 788 but honestly that comparison doesn't hold any interest for me since I'm not going to ever get a 788T.

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #127 on: June 29, 2017, 11:18:45 AM »
Here's a MP6 recording from Dead & Co. in Northern Virginia. I was pleased with results, though I'm sure it would have sounded just as fine with the Zoom F8.

https://archive.org/details/dco2017-06-22

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #128 on: June 29, 2017, 01:37:04 PM »

So I have used my Mixpre-6 for 8 shows so far. While I like it quite a bit in general, I would have to also say I've had a lot of issues also.

Even with firmware 1.01 I have trouble with the 128GB card I use (SanDisk Extreme Pro). I was happily using it for a run of shows, powered down between sets at one show and suddenly it's "I can't create the directory structure" issue. This happened twice before I switch back to 32GB cards. If I pull the batteries and power cycle it eventually worked again. I lost the beginning of a song one time while futzing around

I power off between sets and most of my settings have to be recreated, at least in custom mode. Yes I could reload a profile but, really, why is this necessary. I found using advanced mode instead works out much better

I ended up in a scenario where the only SBD connection I could get was RCAs. Dual RCA to the 1/8 inch 5/6 channels worked well but I missed a song trying to figure out how to enable the 5/6 channels. The other four channels use the arm/disarm touch screen items but 5/6 showed greyed out arm button. I eventually figured out that I needed to go in and select whether I wanted USB or AUX line in etc but why do something so out of the norm relative to the the other channels. Let me arm and disarm like normal and have menu option which changes between what I want the input to be. Yes I should have read the manual but I got this thing a day before a heavy run of shows. My F8 was intuitive enough to just use on the fly. Some parts of tyhe interface on this thing are totally non intuitive to me.

I also ran into the low recording issue...



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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #129 on: June 29, 2017, 01:48:06 PM »
I just taped with the mixpre-3 for the first time last night, DPA 4023 > mixpre-3 @ 24/96 from 9th row center. I'm not experiencing any of the issues others have been reporting. But who knows if that will change after a few more times using it.

I'm happy with the results, but I am not ready to say it's definitely better than tapes I've made with 4023 > 744 or 4023 > Tascam dr100mkIII.

It does require stealthing with the fanny pack which is a con compared to the simplicity of stealthing with a true handheld.

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https://soundcloud.com/user-499246530/small-town

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #130 on: June 29, 2017, 03:30:46 PM »

So I have used my Mixpre-6 for 8 shows so far. While I like it quite a bit in general, I would have to also say I've had a lot of issues also...
... I found using advanced mode instead works out much better....


Thanks for the feedback.  I guess I can add some of mine too.  I've recorded using the MP6 for 4 shows now.  I will say, I've used advanced mode, and it seems like that is much more straight forward and has less hiccups.

I guess I should be test to be positive, but I'm pretty sure my previous settings are saved between power cycles (in advanced mode anyway).  Definitely saved between power cycles, not sure if they haven't even been saved when no power is available (4AA pack taken off briefly to access SD card, no USB power).

I have set up profiles:  one profile for 4 mics in all requiring phantom, one profile for 2ch mic recording with phantom, one profile for 4ch recording using 2 mics with phantom and 2 channels line in without phantom (all using XLR inputs).  I haven't set up a profile yet that includes channels 5-6 on the aux input.  Regarding configuration saving between power cycles, I've done on the fly adjustments to the profiles to change the gain levels compared to the saved profile, and the changed gain setting has been saved after power cycles.

You can set up the * key on the front for different functions.  I have mine set up to access the menus for Channels 5 and 6.  This makes it much quicker and easier to arm and use channels 5-6, much more like the menu availability for Channels 1-4.

Other than the first outing, I have been using a 20,000mah USB-C battery and using a USB-C to USB-C cable for the power connection.  (Mine is a Jackery USB battery, which seems like a lower cost ripoff of the Anker USB-C battery.) Powering with the USB-C battery has worked without problem, avoids the use of the bulky Sound Devices USB-A Y-cable, and still allows for the backup powering by the 4AA battery pack, though I've never bumped over to it as far as I can tell.

I will say, the Advanced mode has worked great for me.  As much difficulty people are having wrapping themselves around the Custom mode with Basic gain, I'd encourage more people to try it.  First time out without any experience I dialed in 18db of gain for one set of mics and 22db of gain for the other less sensitive pair.  My peak ISO levels for the 4 shows I've done across the 4 channels has been in the range of -14dbFS to -12dbFS.  I've just kept the fader levels at 0db gain (noon on the dial) for the LR mix track, which I've just ignored anyway.  Post-processing to add back (normalize) 12-14db of gain and it sounds great.

I'm sure I can dial back the gain beforehand for very loud expected shows (like on stage taping) and add in gain for amplified acoustic music and still guestimate to get myself into the -20db to -10db range.  Limiters are on just in case, but setting up the gain beforehand in Advanced mode, being conservative, and boosting a bit in post works great.  If I were to put it into custom mode with basic gain, I'd probably find myself needlessly riding my levels using the gain knob, and it would just sound worse due to all the level changes I'd have to endure during playback.
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #131 on: June 29, 2017, 03:42:22 PM »
Here are my WSP pulls from last weekend, SoundCloud stream, torrents are on etree:

https://soundcloud.com/nolamule/sets/wsp-20170623-redrocks-mk41-nolamule
https://soundcloud.com/nolamule/sets/wsp-20170624-redrocks-mk41-nolamule
https://soundcloud.com/nolamule/sets/wsp-20170625-redrocks-mk41-nolamule

I love the recorder and think it sounds great! I had no issues running in custom mode and had great results with 8 AA Enloope Pro batteries. I am working on a L-Mount battery solution now for longer run time.  :guitarist: :headphones:

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #132 on: June 30, 2017, 10:34:10 AM »
Here are my WSP pulls from last weekend, SoundCloud stream, torrents are on etree:

https://soundcloud.com/nolamule/sets/wsp-20170623-redrocks-mk41-nolamule
https://soundcloud.com/nolamule/sets/wsp-20170624-redrocks-mk41-nolamule
https://soundcloud.com/nolamule/sets/wsp-20170625-redrocks-mk41-nolamule

I love the recorder and think it sounds great! I had no issues running in custom mode and had great results with 8 AA Enloope Pro batteries. I am working on a L-Mount battery solution now for longer run time.  :guitarist: :headphones:

All three of those links are mostly tuning.  Anything with more music on them?
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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #133 on: June 30, 2017, 10:45:07 AM »
That is just the first track, skip forward one! :cheers:

Here are my WSP pulls from last weekend, SoundCloud stream, torrents are on etree:

https://soundcloud.com/nolamule/sets/wsp-20170623-redrocks-mk41-nolamule
https://soundcloud.com/nolamule/sets/wsp-20170624-redrocks-mk41-nolamule
https://soundcloud.com/nolamule/sets/wsp-20170625-redrocks-mk41-nolamule

I love the recorder and think it sounds great! I had no issues running in custom mode and had great results with 8 AA Enloope Pro batteries. I am working on a L-Mount battery solution now for longer run time.  :guitarist: :headphones:

All three of those links are mostly tuning.  Anything with more music on them?

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Re: Sound Devices MixPre-3 and 6, Part 3
« Reply #134 on: June 30, 2017, 10:51:11 AM »
I wish the photo were better but here is a Mixpre-6 specific case

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1340191-REG/strut_str_mp6_fit_field_case_for.html
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