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Title: Naiant IPA
Post by: gormenghast on March 16, 2016, 03:47:07 PM
Jon, could you explain the IPA and how it can power microphone capsules, and which microphone capsules?  Who builds the cables for say the Schoeps caps, or the AKG caps?  I know of the Schoeps KCY and Nbob's, but nothing else.  Maybe other's might be curious as I am.

I haven't seen this thing discussed much other in the retail forum. 
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: perks on March 16, 2016, 04:39:22 PM
Mmmmm hoppy  :P
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: ~Jon Stoppable on March 16, 2016, 05:31:14 PM
That's because I haven't shipped any yet.  Later this week the first few will trickle out.

Basically it's the PFA circuit in a slightly larger case with space for an A23 battery and selectable gain.  So anything a PFA can do, an IPA can do as well.  The caveat being the power supply is limited to what an A23 battery can do (9V reliably), so higher-voltage systems such as Nbox or my AKGs can't be supported with internal battery (they could run on external power or phantom).  KCY, MBHO, PIP, 3-wire, anything else that is <9V FET supply can be supported with internal battery.

The PFA polarization circuit can be added, so the polarization voltage can be 40V-60V.

And sorry, it's Inline Powered Amplifier :(
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on March 16, 2016, 05:46:30 PM
Sounds very interesting. Since you say it's basically the PFA circuit, can we expect it to sound the same as the PFAs?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: SxPxDxCx on March 16, 2016, 05:51:14 PM
I just ordered some.  Looking forward to trying it out.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: ~Jon Stoppable on March 16, 2016, 07:12:03 PM
Sounds very interesting. Since you say it's basically the PFA circuit, can we expect it to sound the same as the PFAs?

Pretty much.  The audio path is nearly identical, except for the gain setting--PFAs can be configured for gain, but almost nobody has ever ordered them that way (except for the dynamic mic versions).  Although most PFA circuits will have +6dB gain which is inherent in generating the electrically balanced output.  The IPA isn't designed to do that, it's either unbalanced or impedance-balanced output.  It could be electrically balanced, but that would double power consumption which is kinda dear with an A23.  I would think most people are going to use it as a stereo unbalanced amp feeding a minijack input recorder.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: caymanreview on March 16, 2016, 10:22:43 PM
Will the polarization option require external power or phantom?

Any idea on normal run times with internal?

I should have waited and tried a set! I just got in my 2nd set of pfa's with polarization.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: ~Jon Stoppable on March 16, 2016, 10:59:56 PM
Will the polarization option require external power or phantom?

No, it can run on the A23.

Quote
Any idea on normal run times with internal?

This is buried deep in the specs--the polarization circuit does use a fair amount of power, so runtime is not as long:

Autonomy (A23 battery, stereo): 20 hours
Autonomy (A23 battery, stereo “active”): 10 hours
Autonomy (A23 battery, mono): 50 hours
Autonomy (A23 battery, mono “active”): 16 hours

Damn, I was hoping for a Naiant line of beers.  >:D

I'm more of a winemaker, actually I'm a former vineyard owner (never made wine commercially though).  But honestly, I'm pretty happy with Guinness (best from an Irish tap) and Yuengling (from the tap at the bowling alley).  I usually don't like microbrews, many of them seem to be trying too hard.

And of course, I dig butt-chugging Franzia Sunset Blush!

Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on March 17, 2016, 02:56:03 AM
I don't really understand how phantom power works with the IPA. I was always under the impression that a balanced cable was necessary for phantom power to work, but the stereo version of IPA seems to have unbalanced outputs only. How would I connect a stereo IPA to a recorder that has dual phantom-powered XLR inputs?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: ~Jon Stoppable on March 17, 2016, 07:35:34 AM
You would use a Y cable (which would be impedance-balanced).  But in that case, I'd probably stick with a PFA instead, as it's less expensive once you include the cost of the Y cable.  Or you could use two IPAs, which is definitely more expensive.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on March 17, 2016, 10:25:49 AM
You would use a Y cable (which would be impedance-balanced).

Is that just a plain cable that routes pin 2 of the IPA to the left channel's pin 2 and pin 3 of the IPA to the right channel's pin 2? Or would a small circuit be required?

I'd be interested in the IPA basically as a backup for my tinybox. But phantom power would be nice for occasionally using the "big rig". However, that only makes sense if there's a relatively cheap way for me to wire this up. Otherwise, a simple 3.5mm to dual line adapter would probably also do the job.

Also, a completely unrelated question about the battery that the IPA uses. Are there rechargeable versions of this?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: yug du nord on March 17, 2016, 10:48:59 AM
would this make CCM's > Sony M10 possible??
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: gormenghast on March 17, 2016, 11:50:54 AM
I'm under the impression all you need is ( for Schoeps ) Schoeps caps, KCY, IPA, and a M10.   Is this correct?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: ~Jon Stoppable on March 17, 2016, 01:37:35 PM
IPA will support KCY, but not CCM.  CCM runs on phantom power, and even though it will use 12V, the current required is way too high for an A23 battery.  Your best bet for CCM is to use an XLR input recorder.

IPA could also support CMR.

The Y output cable needs components (a capacitor and resistor) to be balanced, but the IPA is happy if the cable isn't balanced--it doesn't know either way.  The question is then what to do with pin 3--probably your preamp would be unhappy with it grounded (it would waste a lot of power), but it might not like if it was floating either.  It depends on the circuit they used.  So the impedance-balanced cable is the best solution.

I am not aware of rechargeable A23s (it's a button stack battery), but you can buy A23s for less than $1 each in bulk.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: SxPxDxCx on May 04, 2016, 08:25:26 PM
I got my pair in the mail a week or so ago.  Just got a chance to use them last weekend. 
Nice easy setup and a low profile.  I think the recordings sound pretty nice too. 
Very similar tone compared to my old Littlebox. To my ear anyway.

I forgot to brink my small flathead to play with the gain adjustment. 
Looking forward to putting them through their paces in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Craig T on May 05, 2016, 10:18:54 AM
Good to hear.  Please share some pictures of the IPA rig.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Hypnocracy on May 05, 2016, 11:23:22 AM
I see "IPA's" in your sig line...are you using one for each MBHO? That was the case in order to run my Milab's balanced...
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: SxPxDxCx on May 05, 2016, 11:53:17 AM
I see "IPA's" in your sig line...are you using one for each MBHO? That was the case in order to run my Milab's balanced...

Yes I have one for each microphone and a Y cable XLR to stereo mini to run into my M10.

I'll try to post some pictures soon.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: acidjack on May 05, 2016, 01:47:22 PM
I see "IPA's" in your sig line...are you using one for each MBHO? That was the case in order to run my Milab's balanced...

Yes I have one for each microphone and a Y cable XLR to stereo mini to run into my M10.

I'll try to post some pictures soon.

Sorry to be the one to ask a dumb question..  Where is the phantom power coming from in this example? If I read correctly, the IPA can do 9V with its internal battery. I assume that is insufficient to power MBHOs (and Schoeps), correct?

But (again if I read it correctly) you can connect an external battery to the IPA, and then it can provide P48 -- is that right?

Finally -- it appears one could go Schoeps stereo pair>KCY>IPA>split XLR cable>deck, correct?  In this example, is it the case that:

A: The deck must provide P48 or
B: The deck can provide P48 OR you can connect a battery to the IPA and it can provide P48...

Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: F.O.Bean on May 05, 2016, 08:47:21 PM
I see "IPA's" in your sig line...are you using one for each MBHO? That was the case in order to run my Milab's balanced...

Yes I have one for each microphone and a Y cable XLR to stereo mini to run into my M10.

I'll try to post some pictures soon.

Sorry to be the one to ask a dumb question..  Where is the phantom power coming from in this example? If I read correctly, the IPA can do 9V with its internal battery. I assume that is insufficient to power MBHOs (and Schoeps), correct?

But (again if I read it correctly) you can connect an external battery to the IPA, and then it can provide P48 -- is that right?

Finally -- it appears one could go Schoeps stereo pair>KCY>IPA>split XLR cable>deck, correct?  In this example, is it the case that:

A: The deck must provide P48 or
B: The deck can provide P48 OR you can connect a battery to the IPA and it can provide P48...



I'm very curious of that exact same info AJ :) I've been slacking on new Naiant products and didn't even know of an IPA until I saw this thread 8)
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jbell on May 05, 2016, 08:52:50 PM
http://naiant.com/studio-electronics-products/inline-devices/ipa-flexible-power-inline-amplifier/
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: F.O.Bean on May 05, 2016, 09:08:12 PM
http://naiant.com/studio-electronics-products/inline-devices/ipa-flexible-power-inline-amplifier/

Thanks buddy 8)

EDIT: I cant tell through browsing, but this can be powered with Phantom Power of my 70d XLR Inputs ??? Or do I need an external powering option? I was going to get a 2nd PFA soon, but these look pretty cool! Very cool option for small setup & powering/gain! I just really don't need the gain of these! I guess a PFA is more what I'm looking for at the moment! BUT, I like that Jon is still expanding things and making new, very neat/cool products ;D 8)

So you can run caps>IPA>M10 easily! So badass IMO! Or I could run caps>IPA>70d, just not sure about the powering for the IPA ??? I know I'm overlooking it on Jon's webpage :(
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on May 06, 2016, 08:10:40 AM
Bean, read the above webpage:

POWER OPTIONS

The IPA has a flexible power supply scheme that can support:

+9V to +52V phantom power
an internal A23 battery (optional; not included)
external battery or AC adaptor via DC power port (+5V to +15V; +12V recommended)

You could use Capsules> KCY> IPA> Recorder. The IPA's internal battery would provide the 60v to the caps, and the IPA could provide basic gain. As Jon's said in the thread, this is a replacement for the tinybox.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Gunner on May 06, 2016, 09:12:52 AM
I would love to see some pics  ;D


Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: gormenghast on May 06, 2016, 11:04:15 AM
I would love to see some pics  ;D

Just add caps and a M10.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7087/26817942426_b6552cc0a5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GRNXXG)
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Gunner on May 06, 2016, 11:56:39 AM
^ Thanks!

That's a nice small piece of gear

Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jbell on May 06, 2016, 07:49:21 PM
I'm going to have to grab one of these!!  Slick setup, Is that a 5pin XLR on the IPA?? 

I would love to see some pics  ;D

Just add caps and a M10.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7087/26817942426_b6552cc0a5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GRNXXG)
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: F.O.Bean on May 07, 2016, 05:30:38 AM
I would love to see some pics  ;D

Just add caps and a M10.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7087/26817942426_b6552cc0a5_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GRNXXG)

Very nice ;D You could've also gotten the IPA with a mini 1/8" output as well, correct? Just trying to figure out why you didn't just get the mini 1/8" output on your IPA ??? Cant you get an IPA with the 1/8" Mini output AND the 5-pin XLR output, with an extended IPA case ??? That way you could have the Mini output AND the 5-pin XLR output, without the need for the 5-pin XLR>1/8" Mini cable? Sorry for ALL of the questions, but I just started doing research on these, and this is the first one Ive seen with some Schoeps ;D Did you do that just so you can run into a Preamp/Recorder with Balanced XLR Inputs/Phantom Power, as well as the 5-pin XLR>Mini cable that you have pictured ???

And Im with JBell, I need to grab one of those eventually!

Bean, read the above webpage:

POWER OPTIONS

The IPA has a flexible power supply scheme that can support:

+9V to +52V phantom power
an internal A23 battery (optional; not included)
external battery or AC adaptor via DC power port (+5V to +15V; +12V recommended)

You could use Capsules> KCY> IPA> Recorder. The IPA's internal battery would provide the 60v to the caps, and the IPA could provide basic gain. As Jon's said in the thread, this is a replacement for the tinybox.


Thanks Noah 8) I saw that, but just wanted someone to confirm that the IPA could be powered solely with my 70d's Phantom Power ;D Seems like its def possible! Since I no longer run a small handheld deck[M10/R9/DR2D/etc], a PFA would be better suited towards my current needs! But for someone running a small active setup, with a small deck, this would be a GREAT option for some compact gain ;D Especially for you stea&lthers out there ;)
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: dactylus on May 07, 2016, 09:06:42 AM
Jon,

I almost always wish that I had taken a few electronics courses early on in my life before asking any questions that will have obvious answers to you.   Anyway, here goes.

Let's say that I would occasionally want the ability to run a balanced output originating from:  my Nbox ---> Line In --->multi channel XLR recorder.  I do not have a KCY Nbox, I have the Nbob version.  You already supplied me with a PFA for this Gefell/Schoeps rig but I wouldn't be using that option in this case.  My Nbox has a male, 3pin, mini XLR out.

What IPA config would you recommend to me to accomplish what I want to accomplish here?  Would I need two IPA's?

thank you,

David
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: ~Jon Stoppable on May 07, 2016, 10:22:04 AM
You don't need an IPA, you need a Y cable, ideally with a resistor to match the output impedance of the Nbox (which I don't know).
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: dactylus on May 07, 2016, 10:33:59 AM
You don't need an IPA, you need a Y cable, ideally with a resistor to match the output impedance of the Nbox (which I don't know).

Thank you.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: gormenghast on May 07, 2016, 11:54:00 AM
Bean, I wanted the IPA the way it is.  The XLR is 3 pin into the RA stereo mini. 

I asked Jon about a mini only output from where the XLR output is.  The PFA is part of the XLR jack so that has to be the way it is. 

I suppose one could do like you suggested and run out of the mini output and not use the XLR out.  Maybe--need to check with Jon first on that.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: F.O.Bean on May 09, 2016, 07:05:03 AM
Bean, I wanted the IPA the way it is.  The XLR is 3 pin into the RA stereo mini. 

I asked Jon about a mini only output from where the XLR output is.  The PFA is part of the XLR jack so that has to be the way it is. 

I suppose one could do like you suggested and run out of the mini output and not use the XLR out.  Maybe--need to check with Jon first on that.


Just wondered buddy 8) I just saw the option to have the extended case for the ability to have an XLR AND Mini output, and was curious why you went with one over the other! Since you're the first person I've seen with one of these, I'm obviously very curious about it, so sorry for all of the questions Gormenghast ;) I think its a beautiful design overall and I really want one now ;D I love that its a stereo PFA/Amp, yet housed in such a TINY package! I can't wait to hear your first shows with it! I'm very glad that Jon is still providing HQ products tailored to OUR needs, and at amazing prices too IMO! Like I said, I can't wait to hear some shows this these ;D
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: gormenghast on May 09, 2016, 02:02:07 PM
Bean, I wanted the IPA the way it is.  The XLR is 3 pin into the RA stereo mini. 

I asked Jon about a mini only output from where the XLR output is.  The PFA is part of the XLR jack so that has to be the way it is. 

I suppose one could do like you suggested and run out of the mini output and not use the XLR out.  Maybe--need to check with Jon first on that.


Just wondered buddy 8) I just saw the option to have the extended case for the ability to have an XLR AND Mini output, and was curious why you went with one over the other! Since you're the first person I've seen with one of these, I'm obviously very curious about it, so sorry for all of the questions Gormenghast ;) I think its a beautiful design overall and I really want one now ;D I love that its a stereo PFA/Amp, yet housed in such a TINY package! I can't wait to hear your first shows with it! I'm very glad that Jon is still providing HQ products tailored to OUR needs, and at amazing prices too IMO! Like I said, I can't wait to hear some shows this these ;D

All's good bean  :D

Ask any question you like and I'll do the best to answer. 

As for recordings--it'll be a while until I can get away for something to tape.  My kids keep me busy with sports and when it's not sports, it's always something else.  But we have a big run with SCI.  Journey, Doobie Bro's, Foreigner, and a few bluegrass stuff planned this summer.  We'll see what happens.  I took my son and daughter to SCI last January and ditched the rig and hung out with them for their first big concert experience.  Such a  great hit with my son that he wants to do more but this time around I might roll tape and see if he's interested in that sort of thing. 
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: F.O.Bean on May 09, 2016, 03:47:47 PM
Bean, I wanted the IPA the way it is.  The XLR is 3 pin into the RA stereo mini. 

I asked Jon about a mini only output from where the XLR output is.  The PFA is part of the XLR jack so that has to be the way it is. 

I suppose one could do like you suggested and run out of the mini output and not use the XLR out.  Maybe--need to check with Jon first on that.


Just wondered buddy 8) I just saw the option to have the extended case for the ability to have an XLR AND Mini output, and was curious why you went with one over the other! Since you're the first person I've seen with one of these, I'm obviously very curious about it, so sorry for all of the questions Gormenghast ;) I think its a beautiful design overall and I really want one now ;D I love that its a stereo PFA/Amp, yet housed in such a TINY package! I can't wait to hear your first shows with it! I'm very glad that Jon is still providing HQ products tailored to OUR needs, and at amazing prices too IMO! Like I said, I can't wait to hear some shows this these ;D

All's good bean  :D

Ask any question you like and I'll do the best to answer. 

As for recordings--it'll be a while until I can get away for something to tape.  My kids keep me busy with sports and when it's not sports, it's always something else.  But we have a big run with SCI.  Journey, Doobie Bro's, Foreigner, and a few bluegrass stuff planned this summer.  We'll see what happens.  I took my son and daughter to SCI last January and ditched the rig and hung out with them for their first big concert experience.  Such a  great hit with my son that he wants to do more but this time around I might roll tape and see if he's interested in that sort of thing. 

Sounds like a good summer to me! You never know, you're son could be a tapir waiting to blossom lol ;D But its really cool that he was into SCI and wants to continue seeing shows with you 8) I'll definitely keep my eyes open for some of your IPA tapes! And thanks again for answering all of my questions! I'm very intrigued now!!!
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: acidjack on May 10, 2016, 12:01:26 PM
Bean, read the above webpage:

POWER OPTIONS

The IPA has a flexible power supply scheme that can support:

+9V to +52V phantom power
an internal A23 battery (optional; not included)
external battery or AC adaptor via DC power port (+5V to +15V; +12V recommended)

You could use Capsules> KCY> IPA> Recorder. The IPA's internal battery would provide the 60v to the caps, and the IPA could provide basic gain. As Jon's said in the thread, this is a replacement for the tinybox.
I read the webpage but what you just wrote above was not clear to me from reading it. "Can support" is the not the same notion as "can deliver" in terms of power supply. The above (especially the picture) did clarify it for me...

Likewise, someone please indulge yet another question I can't figure out from the website:

I have some NBob cables with the standard NBox connectors (I believe those are EN3s -- the things that screw together). If anyone has adapted those to a tinybox or IPA, how did you do it? I feel like I asked folks about adapters and it's maybe not possible, but want to throw that question out there again.... (currently they have an attachment cable that terminates in two PFAs)
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Hypnocracy on May 11, 2016, 03:56:11 PM
Quote
It is possible to add the new PFA polarization voltage circuit to v1 tinyboxes internally, so that v1 tinyboxes can also support actives.
Is it a TB version 1? Above is a quote from a closed topic in the Retail Section (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=175919.0). I know Jon made many Nbox supported Tinyboxes...and if you now have the PFA internal I guess it's just a matter of a new pigtail with the correct Nbox Binder connectors.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: ~Jon Stoppable on May 11, 2016, 04:03:35 PM
IPA does not support Nbox format because the supply for the FET is 8-10V.  Any tinybox can be modified to support Nbox, I would recommend via 6-pin mini-XLR adaptor.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: spybo on May 11, 2016, 06:29:22 PM
Hi Jon,
I'm just after an IPA with stereo minijacks in/out and a 3 way gain switch- 0/10/15....got plenty of 23A batteries.
All possible?
Cheers mate
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: ~Jon Stoppable on May 12, 2016, 04:25:16 PM
It could be done but there still has to be something at the far end of the case; a minijack is too small for that hole (it starts like as an RCA D-panel).  So the minijacks would both have to be on top of the case next to each other, or maybe on the side with the LED.  Then I could use a blank panel on the end, but that would have to be plastic.

I recommend using a 3-pin mini-XLR as a PIP input, although I know few mics are wired that way.  It's a worthwhile change to get a latching connector that won't wear out.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: SxPxDxCx on May 21, 2016, 05:12:58 PM
Here is my IPA setup

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4dFEOogjXgk/V0DPGvJ5DiI/AAAAAAAABvM/cRW22VpmpbMFN7NJAhItpio7vDW4OIDIACLcB/s1600/IPA_MBHO_20160521_144129.jpg)
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: spybo on May 22, 2016, 06:49:35 AM
Hey Jon,
Thanks for the reply on the board.
I would like to order a pair of IPA's with the stereo mini-jack in/out and 3 way gain switch....can the minijacks be placed either end..one for-in the other-out ??...I don't mind a plastic end if that is what you will use...it makes for a neat "inline" small pre which is what I want.
In any case please reply and tell me how to describe this on your website when ordering....or PM me.
( am happy to have a very short stereo minijack>>minixlr cable made as a go-between if it is possible for the reason you mention.)
Thanks
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: pohaku on May 22, 2016, 11:42:10 AM
Jon doesn't use the PM system on the Board.  Better to e-mail him:

music@naiant.com

He is very responsive.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: spybo on May 23, 2016, 09:24:27 AM
Thanks!....will do
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Fried Chicken Boy on May 23, 2016, 02:55:44 PM
Looks very interesting.  Marking thread.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: gormenghast on June 28, 2016, 10:56:17 AM
Here is my IPA setup

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4dFEOogjXgk/V0DPGvJ5DiI/AAAAAAAABvM/cRW22VpmpbMFN7NJAhItpio7vDW4OIDIACLcB/s1600/IPA_MBHO_20160521_144129.jpg)

Why two IPA's?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: willndmb on July 04, 2016, 02:13:23 PM
Here is my IPA setup

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4dFEOogjXgk/V0DPGvJ5DiI/AAAAAAAABvM/cRW22VpmpbMFN7NJAhItpio7vDW4OIDIACLcB/s1600/IPA_MBHO_20160521_144129.jpg)

Why two IPA's?
one for each channel/mic I assume

I am still confused with these though, they can run 9v "pip" mics correct ??
They can run "actives", in my case naiant akg, correct ??
They can NOT run 48v mics, correct ??
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: su6oxone on July 05, 2016, 12:01:31 AM
How do these work with the KCY cable?  The KCY is a Y-cable that connects to two caps, so that would mean you only need one IPA for a set of two MK caps?  And what was the reason again why there can only be an XLR+1/8" output but not just a 1/8" output?  Is it due to design/pre-make parts or some other reason?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on July 08, 2016, 05:47:37 AM
Here's mine, next to my tinybox for size comparison. Click on the picture for a bigger version.

(https://s31.postimg.org/v8h67g4hz/iparig.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/v8h67g4hz/)

How do these work with the KCY cable?  The KCY is a Y-cable that connects to two caps, so that would mean you only need one IPA for a set of two MK caps?

I suppose it works the same way my Nbob/IPA setup works.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: su6oxone on July 08, 2016, 05:16:28 PM
Here's mine, next to my tinybox for size comparison. Click on the picture for a bigger version.

Thanks for the pic!

So it looks like you use a single IPA with a KCY (? of is that a "Nbob" cable?) cable to power two MK caps.  I see there is a 1/8" cable plugged in on the end that the KCY cable plugs into the IPA, and is that the XLR output on the other end?  It looks like nothing is plugged in on that end in the pic. 
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on July 08, 2016, 06:09:28 PM
So it looks like you use a single IPA with a KCY (? of is that a "Nbob" cable?) cable to power two MK caps.  I see there is a 1/8" cable plugged in on the end that the KCY cable plugs into the IPA, and is that the XLR output on the other end?  It looks like nothing is plugged in on that end in the pic. 

That's an NBob cable, but I see no reason why KCY would work any different if you order the KCY version of the IPA. And yes, you don't need to use the XLR output at all. You can just use the 3.5mm output to feed a portable recorder like the M10. I have yet to run this setup in the field, though (just got the IPA in the mail yesterday).
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: su6oxone on July 08, 2016, 06:17:04 PM
That's an NBob cable, but I see no reason why KCY would work any different if you order the KCY version of the IPA. And yes, you don't need to use the XLR output at all. You can just use the 3.5mm output to feed a portable recorder like the M10. I have yet to run this setup in the field, though (just got the IPA in the mail yesterday).

Thanks, that helps a lot.  But does the IPA provide phantom power?  I think Jon said in a different thread that it does not?  And do you know how easy/hard it is to replace batteries?

Thanks again!
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on July 09, 2016, 02:51:27 AM
Thanks, that helps a lot.  But does the IPA provide phantom power?  I think Jon said in a different thread that it does not?  And do you know how easy/hard it is to replace batteries?

It does not provide phantom power, but it's capable of powering active mic capsules directly.

Battery replacement is easy. You open the IPA using two thumb screws. It looks like this when opened:

(https://s31.postimg.org/72mndzm07/ipaopened.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/72mndzm07/)

As you can see, the battery clip is right there.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: robeti on July 09, 2016, 08:58:08 AM
So it looks like you use a single IPA with a KCY (? of is that a "Nbob" cable?) cable to power two MK caps.  I see there is a 1/8" cable plugged in on the end that the KCY cable plugs into the IPA, and is that the XLR output on the other end?  It looks like nothing is plugged in on that end in the pic. 

That's an NBob cable, but I see no reason why KCY would work any different if you order the KCY version of the IPA. And yes, you don't need to use the XLR output at all. You can just use the 3.5mm output to feed a portable recorder like the M10. I have yet to run this setup in the field, though (just got the IPA in the mail yesterday).

Are your NBOB cables terminated to mini xlr?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on July 09, 2016, 11:27:51 AM
Are your NBOB cables terminated to mini xlr?

Yeah, I originally had them made for use with my tinybox.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MakersMarc on July 10, 2016, 12:43:53 PM
Was going to grab a second PFA but this thing is more versatile, can run into an m10 or 1/8 into a 661 great for  >:D
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: su6oxone on July 11, 2016, 03:10:12 AM
It does not provide phantom power, but it's capable of powering active mic capsules directly.

Battery replacement is easy. You open the IPA using two thumb screws. It looks like this when opened:

As you can see, the battery clip is right there.

Nice!  I didn't realize you didn't need phantom power, that's great.  Thanks for the pic.  Looks nice and compact, although I do prefer the Tinybox form factor.  I suppose the IPA would be better for stealthing since it is so thin and compact, and could be an easy backup to a Tinybox as well.  Would be good to have both.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: willndmb on July 11, 2016, 02:26:24 PM
It does not provide phantom power, but it's capable of powering active mic capsules directly.

Battery replacement is easy. You open the IPA using two thumb screws. It looks like this when opened:

As you can see, the battery clip is right there.

Nice!  I didn't realize you didn't need phantom power, that's great.  Thanks for the pic.  Looks nice and compact, although I do prefer the Tinybox form factor.  I suppose the IPA would be better for stealthing since it is so thin and compact, and could be an easy backup to a Tinybox as well.  Would be good to have both.
yeah tb was killer IMO because it covered all bases, pip/48/actives plus it's size and battery life.
This looks cool if you have a y cable that it supports otherwise having two seems like it could be more challenging and of course leaves the door open for more errors
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on July 11, 2016, 03:48:30 PM
I suppose the IPA would be better for stealthing since it is so thin and compact, and could be an easy backup to a Tinybox as well.  Would be good to have both.

I haven't stealthed with the IPA, yet. But judging from my first impressions, I think I also prefer the tinybox form factor for stealth because it seems to be slightly better pocketable. That being said, IPA should do the job as well. It's still damn small, just not as tiny as tb. ;-)

I mainly got it to have a backup for my tinybox (whose batteries are rather old) and as an alternative with exchangeable batteries (e.g. for festivals where I can't recharge tinybox).
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: su6oxone on July 12, 2016, 03:35:41 AM
Nice!  I didn't realize you didn't need phantom power, that's great.  Thanks for the pic.  Looks nice and compact, although I do prefer the Tinybox form factor.

Someone needs to start making a Tinybox knockoff!  Or maybe Jon could sell his designs or license them out to some intrepid taper/entrepreneur?  :P
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: su6oxone on July 12, 2016, 03:37:56 AM
I haven't stealthed with the IPA, yet. But judging from my first impressions, I think I also prefer the tinybox form factor for stealth because it seems to be slightly better pocketable. That being said, IPA should do the job as well. It's still damn small, just not as tiny as tb. ;-)

I mainly got it to have a backup for my tinybox (whose batteries are rather old) and as an alternative with exchangeable batteries (e.g. for festivals where I can't recharge tinybox).

That's what I would do with it too, use it as a back up for a tinybox or maybe as a stealth option as it seems slightly smaller, especially if you chopped off the XLR output end.  Of course, I don't even own any mics...
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MakersMarc on July 13, 2016, 08:30:32 PM
I just ordered an IPA for my schleps caps and nbob kcy, looking forward to playing with it. I was gonna pick up a backup PFA anyway but figured the IPA is more versatile in that I can run either my 661 with it phantom on or off, or my M10. And it's pretty freaking tiny.  >:D
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: F.O.Bean on July 15, 2016, 06:14:50 AM
I just ordered an IPA for my schleps caps and nbob kcy, looking forward to playing with it. I was gonna pick up a backup PFA anyway but figured the IPA is more versatile in that I can run either my 661 with it phantom on or off, or my M10. And it's pretty freaking tiny.  >:D

Noyce 8) Snap some pics when you get it please? I don't think Ive seen an IPA/Schoeps setup yet!
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: perks on July 15, 2016, 11:03:16 AM
I just ordered an IPA for my schleps caps and nbob kcy, looking forward to playing with it. I was gonna pick up a backup PFA anyway but figured the IPA is more versatile in that I can run either my 661 with it phantom on or off, or my M10. And it's pretty freaking tiny.  >:D

Noyce 8) Snap some pics when you get it please? I don't think Ive seen an IPA/Schoeps setup yet!

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=176836.msg2193994#msg2193994
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MakersMarc on July 15, 2016, 11:12:05 AM
I just ordered an IPA for my schleps caps and nbob kcy, looking forward to playing with it. I was gonna pick up a backup PFA anyway but figured the IPA is more versatile in that I can run either my 661 with it phantom on or off, or my M10. And it's pretty freaking tiny.  >:D

Noyce 8) Snap some pics when you get it please? I don't think Ive seen an IPA/Schoeps setup yet!

Will do.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jbell on July 15, 2016, 12:13:01 PM
There is a pic of the schoeps setup on page 2 of this thread!
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: drewloo on July 15, 2016, 01:21:28 PM
Bean did you mean nbob/IPA?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jbell on July 15, 2016, 02:13:57 PM
Same difference!!  I think it only powers KCY version of the Nbobs. 
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: F.O.Bean on July 17, 2016, 02:35:59 AM
Cool pics thanks guys! Im really intrigued by this tiny lil thing! Cant wait to hear some "tapes" with it soon :)
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MLKLuke on July 28, 2016, 04:34:00 AM
hi guys,
I need a final clarification about IPA for my equipment:

I bought a set of Nbob cables from Datfly some months ago. They should be v2 cables
see pic > http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/datfly/DSC01158w_zpsjzh5pq1u.jpg
 (http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k191/datfly/DSC01158w_zpsjzh5pq1u.jpg)
that go into a connector that I plug into a 6-pin mini-xlr connecotr to a Naiant Tinybox (that should be v2.5)...

now what I would need to know is if I can use a Naiant IPA as a backup for my tinybox or of it can not correctly power the caps through Nbob Actives. I asked Jon but I could not clearly understand that (my bad, I'm a total dummy about this matter). It seems like the answer is YES if you have a KCY active cables set but I guess I've not...

thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jbell on July 28, 2016, 08:07:09 AM
With a kcy schoeps or NBob yes!   So that is a no for you.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on July 28, 2016, 09:40:35 AM
It will work just fine. Jon can make the IPA with the same input as your tinybox. This is how you do it:

1. Point your browser to: http://naiant.com/studio-electronics-products/inline-devices/ipa-flexible-power-inline-amplifier/
2. select the stereo tb6m as the input option
3. Select whatever you want as the output (don't get surprised that a single XLR can cary a *stereo* signal. It can. But you might want the mini jack too)
4. Select what gain option you want (most likely variable spindle)
5. Purchase the IPA
6. Share your recordings with us.

I've included a screen shot to make it ever more obvious.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: thomasdk7 on July 28, 2016, 10:23:21 AM
From what I was told by Jon over email, is that it works for KCY only. Schoeps KCY or Nbob KCY should both be fine, but needs to be KCY.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jbell on July 28, 2016, 10:59:54 AM
This is how I understand it!!  The Nbob configuration requires different powering setup that the IPA won't do. 

From what I was told by Jon over email, is that it works for KCY only. Schoeps KCY or Nbob KCY should both be fine, but needs to be KCY.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MLKLuke on July 28, 2016, 12:19:56 PM
not so clear to everyone then  ;D

from what I can understand it won't work for me unless I get my Nbob cables converted to KCY system...isn't it?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: ~Jon Stoppable on July 28, 2016, 12:20:53 PM
Due to the A23 battery, the IPA has maximum voltage supply to the mics of 8V (FET supply; the polarization voltage can be 60V), so the 16V nbox format won't work.  Also, an IPA only has a single-ended input, so one IPA can't support all microphone combinations that a tinybox could (that is, only one pair of input pins will be active with an IPA), and one IPA can only have a balanced input in mono and then only to a balanced-input recorder via the XLR output.






edit:  PS:  I've been sketching a digital version of the IPA that would have both analog & digital outputs in AES3/SPDIF format (optical as an option) and would run on 5V-10V digital or 12V-48V analog phantom power (analog output only) or 5V external.  This would have 110dBA dynamic range and options for preemphasis or dither for 16-bit compatibility (should be about 100dBA in 16-bit mode), and the ability to sync units via aux SPDIF input.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: willndmb on July 29, 2016, 10:31:59 PM
  PS:  I've been sketching a digital version of the IPA that would have both analog & digital outputs in AES3/SPDIF format (optical as an option) and would run on 5V-10V digital or 12V-48V analog phantom power (analog output only) or 5V external.  This would have 110dBA dynamic range and options for preemphasis or dither for 16-bit compatibility (should be about 100dBA in 16-bit mode), and the ability to sync units via aux SPDIF input.
so as someone who is always an idiot when it comes to understanding this stuff, if you are saying this version could support 48v mics, then I think it's a great idea.
The best part of a __box was the option to support multi formats. For example my tb does 48v/pip/actives and I love that so if the new IPA supported that too I would be super happy
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: ~Jon Stoppable on July 29, 2016, 10:49:18 PM
  PS:  I've been sketching a digital version of the IPA that would have both analog & digital outputs in AES3/SPDIF format (optical as an option) and would run on 5V-10V digital or 12V-48V analog phantom power (analog output only) or 5V external.  This would have 110dBA dynamic range and options for preemphasis or dither for 16-bit compatibility (should be about 100dBA in 16-bit mode), and the ability to sync units via aux SPDIF input.
so as someone who is always an idiot when it comes to understanding this stuff, if you are saying this version could support 48v mics, then I think it's a great idea.
The best part of a __box was the option to support multi formats. For example my tb does 48v/pip/actives and I love that so if the new IPA supported that too I would be super happy

No the IPA is a P48 device, it doesn't support P48 devices.  You should think of it as a microphone body that has a few added features.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: willndmb on July 30, 2016, 04:45:36 PM
  PS:  I've been sketching a digital version of the IPA that would have both analog & digital outputs in AES3/SPDIF format (optical as an option) and would run on 5V-10V digital or 12V-48V analog phantom power (analog output only) or 5V external.  This would have 110dBA dynamic range and options for preemphasis or dither for 16-bit compatibility (should be about 100dBA in 16-bit mode), and the ability to sync units via aux SPDIF input.
so as someone who is always an idiot when it comes to understanding this stuff, if you are saying this version could support 48v mics, then I think it's a great idea.
The best part of a __box was the option to support multi formats. For example my tb does 48v/pip/actives and I love that so if the new IPA supported that too I would be super happy

No the IPA is a P48 device, it doesn't support P48 devices.  You should think of it as a microphone body that has a few added features.
ahhh thanks, as a mic body that makes sense to me now
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: WiFiJeff on August 08, 2016, 12:12:25 AM
Just received my IPA configured for Schoeps KXY cable, really neat little piece of gear.  Has anyone compared its performance to the Schoeps VST 62 IUg (discontinued, was an order of magnitude more expensive)??  Subjective opinions also welcome.  Just very curious...

Jeff
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: rippleish20 on August 08, 2016, 02:08:32 PM
Just received my IPA configured for Schoeps KXY cable, really neat little piece of gear.  Has anyone compared its performance to the Schoeps VST 62 IUg (discontinued, was an order of magnitude more expensive)??  Subjective opinions also welcome.  Just very curious...

Jeff

How long from ordering did it take to ship?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: WiFiJeff on August 08, 2016, 02:27:57 PM

How long from ordering did it take to ship?

Roughly a month.

Jeff
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MakersMarc on August 31, 2016, 07:43:02 PM
Just got mine, I'm pretty fired up, it's so damn tiny. Really glad I got the recessed gain pot. A23 batteries 3.99 a two pack at Home Depot, anyone do better? First show most likely Earle Colvin this Sunday.  :headphones:
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on August 31, 2016, 10:05:26 PM
Mine just came too. I got the spindle, which I still have to figure out.

I'm thinking mk4v> nbob KCY> Naiant IPA> m10 will be small and easy and run forever.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: gormenghast on August 31, 2016, 11:57:24 PM
Mine just came too. I got the spindle, which I still have to figure out.

I'm thinking mk41v> Schoeps KCY> Naiant IPA> m10 will be small and easy and run forever.

 >:D
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: rippleish20 on September 01, 2016, 09:34:30 AM
Mine just came too. I got the spindle, which I still have to figure out.

I'm thinking mk4v> nbob KCY> Naiant IPA> m10 will be small and easy and run forever.

Mine came 10 days ago. I'm thinking the same thing

mk4 > schoeps KCY> Naiant IPA> m10

Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: F.O.Bean on September 02, 2016, 01:01:29 AM
Definitely a cool and TINY device :) An mkxx->KCY->IPA->M10 would be tiny and killer sounding, I bet :) Cant wait to hear some stuff from these starting to circulate :) I love that Jon can do the 60v Polarization for the Schoeps caps with these tiny lil IPA's as well!
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on September 02, 2016, 02:23:16 AM
So...for the Beyer CK930's would I be able to replace my mic bodies with these things? ...or would they go between the bodies and the recorder?

I'd be pretty happy to get rid of those bodies. CK930 caps > IPA > M10 would be pretty nice.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: ~Jon Stoppable on September 02, 2016, 12:02:41 PM
Yes.  You'd want to have some sort of adaptor cable to run two capsules into one IPA; I'd recommend the tinybox TB6M input format.

The IPA won't help with the 658 (handicap) series I dropped on your elders last night though  ;D
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on September 02, 2016, 05:33:04 PM
Definitely a cool and TINY device :) An mkxx->KCY->IPA->M10 would be tiny and killer sounding, I bet :) Cant wait to hear some stuff from these starting to circulate :)

If you don't mind a little Krautrock, here's something I recorded last night:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=570428&hit=1
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: F.O.Bean on September 03, 2016, 08:06:50 AM
Definitely a cool and TINY device :) An mkxx->KCY->IPA->M10 would be tiny and killer sounding, I bet :) Cant wait to hear some stuff from these starting to circulate :)

If you don't mind a little Krautrock, here's something I recorded last night:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=570428&hit=1


Unfortunately, I cant DL from Dime :P

EDIT: I just signed up for a new acct, but I don't see an option to DL the torrent file or anything from the page you linked?? I haven't been on Dime in forever, so any help would be much appreciated :)
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: yug du nord on September 03, 2016, 08:20:30 AM
^"torrent file" at the very top of page.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: rippleish20 on September 03, 2016, 11:34:02 AM
Definitely a cool and TINY device :) An mkxx->KCY->IPA->M10 would be tiny and killer sounding, I bet :) Cant wait to hear some stuff from these starting to circulate :)

If you don't mind a little Krautrock, here's something I recorded last night:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=570428&hit=1


Unfortunately, I cant DL from Dime :P

EDIT: I just signed up for a new acct, but I don't see an option to DL the torrent file or anything from the page you linked?? I haven't been on Dime in forever, so any help would be much appreciated :)

A new Dime account can only see whats available. You have to request a mod give you access to to downloading torrent files, or something like that.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on September 04, 2016, 11:58:07 AM
Unfortunately, I cant DL from Dime :P

Alright, here's a wetransfer link. Should be good for the next few days...
https://we.tl/KlNFJTQ2ra
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jefflester on September 07, 2016, 10:16:38 PM
Any resident cable builders come up with a way to make a U-shaped XLR? So the cable exits back in the same direction it plugs in, putting the cable along side the IPA and back towards the input side. Might make the IPA more "pocket" friendly.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: gormenghast on September 07, 2016, 11:10:12 PM
Any resident cable builders come up with a way to make a U-shaped XLR? So the cable exits back in the same direction it plugs in, putting the cable along side the IPA and back towards the input side. Might make the IPA more "pocket" friendly.

I posted a photo of my Schoeps IPA setup.  Jon made the XLR>stereo mini cable.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jefflester on September 08, 2016, 05:22:52 PM
Any resident cable builders come up with a way to make a U-shaped XLR? So the cable exits back in the same direction it plugs in, putting the cable along side the IPA and back towards the input side. Might make the IPA more "pocket" friendly.

I posted a photo of my Schoeps IPA setup.  Jon made the XLR>stereo mini cable.
I think you misunderstand the point of my query. True, the whole input connector+IPA+XLR is not all that long, but the cables are going out of the IPA in opposite directions. Place it in a fanny pack or some other  >:D like location and one cable, the other, or both are likely to be bent. Several people in the thread have mentioned still having a preference for the Tinybox configuration even if it is larger in volume, perhaps because the IO is on the same side, better for  >:D. My suggestion is a custom built cable/connector that makes the output cable run back along the IPA so it is then in parallel with the input cable so there is less stress on the output cable in a tight situation. Including the 1/8" output and using that would alleviate the problem (with a right angle 1/8" plug), but having a locking XLR is nicer. Essentially making a chopped XLR but with additional potting to give it the full U-turn bend perhaps?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: gormenghast on September 08, 2016, 07:04:03 PM
I understand.  I think the IPA can have a stereo mini output.  The hole on mine is where the gain knob is, but I think the mini output is in a similar spot but on a different side. 

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8784/29470720151_4e30164fbd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LUe9mF)

Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Brian Skalinder on September 09, 2016, 12:00:37 PM
Any resident cable builders come up with a way to make a U-shaped XLR? So the cable exits back in the same direction it plugs in, putting the cable along side the IPA and back towards the input side. Might make the IPA more "pocket" friendly.

I think a full-on U-shaped (180º) connector is probably overkill.  A right-angle connector with a subsequent 90º bend in the cable would accomplish the same goal.  But IME RA XLRs are pretty bulky.  Alternatively, you could use a RA connector on the input (much smaller), which would route the input cable back towards the output XLR.  Though this would put the IPA 'upside down', relative to your option.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on September 09, 2016, 12:15:08 PM
here's mine:
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: willndmb on September 09, 2016, 08:30:20 PM
I understand.  I think the IPA can have a stereo mini output.  The hole on mine is where the gain knob is, but I think the mini output is in a similar spot but on a different side. 

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8784/29470720151_4e30164fbd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LUe9mF)
:even smaller then I thought
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on September 25, 2016, 02:48:55 AM
Here's another one I pulled with the IPA: http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=572229&hit=1

After using the IPA for a while, I don't think it sounds any different from my trusty tinybox. I'm still not happy with the form factor, though. But I might be able to come up with a solution to that...
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: F.O.Bean on September 26, 2016, 04:54:34 AM
here's mine:

Nice!
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on October 09, 2016, 02:37:40 PM
Here's some more Psychedelic Krautrock recorded with the IPA:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=573467&hit=1

... and some Garage Punk:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=573100&hit=1
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on October 22, 2016, 06:08:31 AM
Finally took the IPA to a big show with a decent PA, and the result is awesome: https://soundcloud.com/user9705966/bhic2016-10-15_mk4_d1t13/s-jZgsX
The full recording is on Dime.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Gunner on October 22, 2016, 07:44:02 PM
It sounds great! Congrats
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on November 27, 2016, 04:47:18 PM
Got mine in the mail the other day (thanks Jon).

Mine is set up for my Beyer CK930's. Now I don't have to run my bodies...so nice. I can put this whole setup together in about a minute. Caps > cables > IPA > mini to mini cable > M10.

Now I need to pick up a new (smaller) pelican case for my caps, and maybe a new bag because the tiny bag I was already using is too big. :D

Also planning on getting one of the cable builders here to make me some shorter cables without techflex for stealthy operation. Also need to have them make a right angle to right angle 1/8" cable to go between the IPA and M10.

Going to try it all out on Friday for Mike Cooley in Denver.

Here are some pics (with and without my windscreens).

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5661/30914556160_72ef28555f_c.jpg)

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/6/5491/31167436211_d3c26bf816_c.jpg)

...

Thinking about picking up an external battery for long shows/festies and just to have as a backup power solution. A quick Amazon search brings up this sucker:

https://www.amazon.com/Talentcell-Lithium-Amplifier-Multi-led-indicator/dp/B00MHNQIR2/

A) Will this work? (I know I'll need to make a cable for it).
B) Any better options?

Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: ~Jon Stoppable on November 27, 2016, 06:41:06 PM
I will have a 5V-->12V USB-A to 1.7mm adaptor cable ready in January, that will enable use of any USB battery.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on November 27, 2016, 06:43:35 PM
I will have a 5V-->12V USB-A to 1.7mm adaptor cable ready in January, that will enable use of any USB battery.

Perfect! I have piles of USB batteries.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on January 06, 2017, 08:20:03 AM
I will have a 5V-->12V USB-A to 1.7mm adaptor cable ready in January, that will enable use of any USB battery.

Any update on this?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: ~Jon Stoppable on January 06, 2017, 11:32:10 AM
Not really, that design is done but I'm trying to finish a couple more designs before I order circuit boards.  Hopefully later in the month.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MakersMarc on January 14, 2017, 11:00:30 AM
Finally got to run the IPA for the first time after a too long hiatus, for Kamasi Washington. Ran 4v>IPA>right angle mini cable>M10. I was about 30 feet from stage dead center. It sounds like it sounded, very good. Great job Jon!

Sorry I'm not advanced enough to upload it here, but if anyone is so motivated, I'll send a dvd. This might be the best jazz band going.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: F.O.Bean on January 14, 2017, 10:04:14 PM
Marc, send me a PM and I'lll gladly UL that recording for you ;)

And I am DEF grabbing one of these! For the $$, size and sound quality, you simply can't go wrong! It's basically just a different PFA that actually has gain built into it! I am SOOOO excited to get my 2nd +60v PFA and [4] -12db MPD's back from Mr. Naiant, when he's all finished up with them ;D Then once I get all of that stuff back, I can get an IPA made for 2 channel's! I was thinking about getting a small external preamp for a small 2 channel rig, but like I said, for the $$ and size and SQ, I am just going to get one of these instead! If I pair this with an M10/DR-05/DR-07/etc, it would pretty much be the smallest 2 channel rig possible! mk4's/41's>NBob KCY>IPA>M10 would be a sick lil TINY rig!

Marc, hit me up if you want me to UL that for you buddy ;)
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: boa on February 09, 2017, 09:30:39 AM
Does anyone know the pin assignments for the XLR output on the IPA? I want to try and make a cable myself and didn't see that information via search here. Thanks for your help.

boa
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Brian Skalinder on February 09, 2017, 04:11:11 PM
Does anyone know the pin assignments for the XLR output on the IPA?

What do you have planned for the other end of the cable?  Just continuity-tested the XLR > Stereo Mini cable Jon made to go with my IPA.

I don't have a fully functioning setup yet, so can't test directly for + / - / ground.  But if it follows the XLR standards with which I'm familiar (and are noted in SRC's post), and I assume it does, see parenthetical references below.

1 -- Sleeve (ground)
2 -- Tip (+)
3 -- Ring (-)
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: boa on February 09, 2017, 04:18:43 PM
That is exactly as I need; XLRf > 1/8 miniplug. Thanks a lot for the help!
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on February 13, 2017, 05:35:35 AM
Does anyone know the pin assignments for the XLR output on the IPA? I want to try and make a cable myself and didn't see that information via search here. Thanks for your help.

From the product page at naiant.com (http://naiant.com/studio-electronics-products/inline-devices/ipa-flexible-power-inline-amplifier/):

Quote
A stereo IPA has the left output on pin 2 and the right output on pin 3 of the XLR-3-M output connector.
(...)
A mono IPA has an impedance-balanced output with signal on pin 2 and an impedance-balancing network on pin 3.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on February 16, 2017, 09:38:47 AM
any update on the external power cable to run the IPA off of a 5v usb battery?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: boa on February 20, 2017, 09:18:41 PM
Anyone else using an IPA to power Nakamichi's?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Walstib62 on February 21, 2017, 07:34:09 AM
Anyone else using an IPA to power Nakamichi's?
The IPA looks to be a great solution for Nak mics
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MakersMarc on February 21, 2017, 11:07:53 AM
Chopped 700s>actives>IPA nice!
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: boa on February 21, 2017, 03:27:59 PM
Anyone else using an IPA to power Nakamichi's?
The IPA looks to be a great solution for Nak mics

I'm debating on whether the presence boost offered in the IPA build would be a good option for use with the Nak 300 capsules.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Brian Skalinder on February 22, 2017, 06:17:47 PM
I'm debating on whether the presence boost offered in the IPA build would be a good option for use with the Nak 300 capsules.

I would think you're better off with a stock, flat frequency response IPA and doing any adjustments in post where you have much more control.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MakersMarc on February 22, 2017, 07:39:03 PM
I can't speak to the presence box, but with my flat stock version, very flat and neutral, just what I want. Love it.  :headphones:
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: boa on February 22, 2017, 08:53:24 PM
I'm debating on whether the presence boost offered in the IPA build would be a good option for use with the Nak 300 capsules.

I would think you're better off with a stock, flat frequency response IPA and doing any adjustments in post where you have much more control.

That is the correct answer. Go Natural. What the hell am I thinking? I guess my mind is drifting while I wait through the IPA build period.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: seethreepo on March 30, 2017, 10:08:53 PM
I will have a 5V-->12V USB-A to 1.7mm adaptor cable ready in January, that will enable use of any USB battery.

Any update on this?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: SoundHolic on March 31, 2017, 09:34:26 AM
My package has just arrived.
This one has "TB3M + minijack for stereo plug-in power" and a spindle.
Here is my setup, B3 > IPA > M10.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Popmarter on March 31, 2017, 02:16:57 PM
I'm debating on whether the presence boost offered in the IPA build would be a good option for use with the Nak 300 capsules.

I would think you're better off with a stock, flat frequency response IPA and doing any adjustments in post where you have much more control.

That is the correct answer. Go Natural. What the hell am I thinking? I guess my mind is drifting while I wait through the IPA build period.

Boa, did you get one of these? I have a pair of chopped CM300 (Walstabi) that I would to use with Sony M10. Let me know - if you did - what configuration you choose.  :coolguy:
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: gormenghast on March 31, 2017, 06:24:06 PM
I'm debating on whether the presence boost offered in the IPA build would be a good option for use with the Nak 300 capsules.

I would think you're better off with a stock, flat frequency response IPA and doing any adjustments in post where you have much more control.

That is the correct answer. Go Natural. What the hell am I thinking? I guess my mind is drifting while I wait through the IPA build period.

Boa, did you get one of these? I have a pair of chopped CM300 (Walstabi) that I would to use with Sony M10. Let me know - if you did - what configuration you choose.  :coolguy:

I picked up a pair of chopped Nak 300's from waistabi.  I also ordered the IPA and some cables to run the mics.  Not sure when they will arrive or when I have a chance to run the rig.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: boa on March 31, 2017, 09:49:04 PM
Boa, did you get one of these? I have a pair of chopped CM300 (Walstabi) that I would to use with Sony M10. Let me know - if you did - what configuration you choose.  :coolguy:

I ordered the IPA with the following requests:

IPA:

Input: stereo TB6M (tinybox format)
Output: XLR & mini-jack (extended case)
Gain: fixed (+18dB)
Pre-emphasis: flat

Cables:

01. Y Input Cable 18" (TA3M (2) > TA6F. To run from each mic to the IPA input)
02. Y Output Cable 18" (XLRF > XLRM (2). To power the IPA via phantom power)
03. Stereo Output Cable 8" (XLRF > 1/8" mini-plug. To run IPA output into 1/8" mini-jack on m-10)

Here are cables #1 & #2:
(http://crowesbase.com/cables.jpg)

Here is the IPA setup with cables #1 & #3:
(http://crowesbase.com/ipa.jpg)

Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Popmarter on April 01, 2017, 05:38:45 AM
Boa, did you get one of these? I have a pair of chopped CM300 (Walstabi) that I would to use with Sony M10. Let me know - if you did - what configuration you choose.  :coolguy:

I ordered the IPA with the following requests:

IPA:

Input: stereo TB6M (tinybox format)
Output: XLR & mini-jack (extended case)
Gain: fixed (+18dB)
Pre-emphasis: flat

Cables:

01. Y Input Cable 18" (TA3M (2) > TA6F. To run from each mic to the IPA input)
02. Y Output Cable 18" (XLRF > XLRM (2). To power the IPA via phantom power)
03. Stereo Output Cable 8" (XLRF > 1/8" mini-plug. To run IPA output into 1/8" mini-jack on m-10)

thanks Boa, I am getting into this and some of it difficult to understand, this will help!
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Popmarter on April 01, 2017, 02:15:29 PM
My package has just arrived.
This one has "TB3M + minijack for stereo plug-in power" and a spindle.
Here is my setup, B3 > IPA > M10.

What is that knob on the right, picture IMG_0907-vert.jpg? Is that the spindle? Used for adding gain to the TB3M input?

And the small white is the gain variable (slot) for the minijack next to it?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MakersMarc on April 01, 2017, 02:22:27 PM
Just a quick plug, my kcy IPA is my go to box when I need to get small. Mk41/4v>nbob>IPA>m10 all fits in one cargo pocket.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: SoundHolic on April 01, 2017, 03:31:42 PM
My package has just arrived.
This one has "TB3M + minijack for stereo plug-in power" and a spindle.
Here is my setup, B3 > IPA > M10.

What is that knob on the right, picture IMG_0907-vert.jpg? Is that the spindle? Used for adding gain to the TB3M input?

And the small white is the gain variable (slot) for the minijack next to it?

The left hole is a minijack for PIP, the white is a gain spindle, and the right hole is an external power input.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Popmarter on April 02, 2017, 02:18:11 PM
I'm debating on whether the presence boost offered in the IPA build would be a good option for use with the Nak 300 capsules.

I would think you're better off with a stock, flat frequency response IPA and doing any adjustments in post where you have much more control.

That is the correct answer. Go Natural. What the hell am I thinking? I guess my mind is drifting while I wait through the IPA build period.

Boa, did you get one of these? I have a pair of chopped CM300 (Walstabi) that I would to use with Sony M10. Let me know - if you did - what configuration you choose.  :coolguy:

I picked up a pair of chopped Nak 300's from waistabi.  I also ordered the IPA and some cables to run the mics.  Not sure when they will arrive or when I have a chance to run the rig.

Which version did you pick?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MakersMarc on April 20, 2017, 11:25:25 AM
Don't leave your A23 in the IPA between shows, definitely has a significant draw. Luckily I saw the red light with a few minutes to showtime, had to run out to car to switch.  :facepalm:  I'd left it in for about a month between shows, it only had 2-3 hours on it, I usually do two shows on one A23.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: gormenghast on April 20, 2017, 11:49:02 AM
Don't leave your A23 in the IPA between shows, definitely has a significant draw. Luckily I saw the red light with a few minutes to showtime, had to run out to car to switch.  :facepalm:  I'd left it in for about a month between shows, it only had 2-3 hours on it, I usually do two shows on one A23.

Marc, you should do a test for us to see who long those batteries will last  ;D  Last summer I ran them for 3hr shows and didn't use them past that.  Unfortunately, I can't use the batteries in anything else, or find rechargeable if there are any.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MakersMarc on April 20, 2017, 12:11:58 PM
I've only been brave enough to go to 6.5 hours or so. Should do a test.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on April 20, 2017, 05:15:52 PM
is there a rechargeable a23 solution?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MakersMarc on April 20, 2017, 10:46:31 PM
Not that I'm aware of. 3.99 a two pack at Home Depot. I'll live with a buck a show.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: seethreepo on June 02, 2017, 10:48:52 PM
I will have a 5V-->12V USB-A to 1.7mm adaptor cable ready in January, that will enable use of any USB battery.

Any update on this ? Loving my IPA thus far two shows in. With four more Ina variety of venues to come in the next 3 weeks
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on June 11, 2017, 01:35:33 AM
I will have a 5V-->12V USB-A to 1.7mm adaptor cable ready in January, that will enable use of any USB battery.

Any update on this ? Loving my IPA thus far two shows in. With four more Ina variety of venues to come in the next 3 weeks

I'd like to know about this as well,

also, can the ipa run on 48v phantom?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Roger Gustavsson on June 14, 2017, 01:38:05 AM
From www.naiant.com:

The IPA has a flexible power supply scheme that can support:
•+9V to +52V phantom power
•an internal A23 battery (battery not included)
•external battery or AC adaptor via DC power port (+5V to +15V; +12V recommended)
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: SxPxDxCx on June 19, 2017, 01:13:00 PM
I've only been brave enough to go to 6.5 hours or so. Should do a test.

I got about 10 hours on a fresh A23 over the weekend.  Did about 9 hours of recording on Friday with it.  Should have swapped in new batteries at the start of recording on Saturday but spaced it. 
Got about another hour out of it before I notice that one of the channels wasn't getting a signal since the battery died.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MakersMarc on June 19, 2017, 04:52:56 PM
I'll do like two 3 hour shows and that's it
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on June 20, 2017, 04:36:25 PM
Does anyone know if there is a way to build one of these that only acts as the bodies to my mics (and possibly provide phantom power)?

I'd like to use a single box option to place between my caps (Beyer CK930) and my MP6, but still use the preamps in the MP6.

Would an IPA with 0db gain do this?

EDIT: Question answered from Jon via email. Sharing for everyone's enjoyment.

Quote
Yes, you'd need the TB6M input IPA with a Y cable for a pair of CK930s. 
Another option if you are feeding the Mixpre would be a pair of PFAs,
those would run on the Mixpre's phantom power.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jahorro on June 22, 2017, 05:54:58 PM
Any advice on how the IPA could support a pair of Neumann KM140s?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on June 22, 2017, 06:13:30 PM
Any advice on how the IPA could support a pair of Neumann KM140s?

It doesn't appear that Jon has a Neumann option. Wish he did though.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: tubems on August 10, 2017, 02:29:09 AM
for a neumann option.....

Nick makes neumann cables, he can make you a KCY cable, i have one he made, it is perfect, and you can then get an IPA that has 50db instead of 60v polarization voltage, which is what neumanns use, and you can also have him invert the polarity in that when i run the neumanns on the KCY the polarity is flipped on both mics.  this only comes into play when you are running a multi mic mix and the neumanns will be out of phase from the other mics

so yah, drop nick a line, the work he did on my cables was amazing

dan
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jahorro on August 10, 2017, 10:26:48 AM
Thanks, Dan!  I had messaged Nick a while back and he is building me a custom KCY cable.  I just messaged Jon to see if he can make those modifications on the IPA.  I appreciate your advice!
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: NewTaper on September 10, 2017, 10:52:44 PM
If I am running a set of NBobs and  Schoeps MK5's do I need one or two IPA's?
Who here has used these for stack taping?
Has anyone switched from the Tinybox to this and if so what are your thoughts?

Thanks for any info.

NT
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on September 10, 2017, 11:03:25 PM
If I am running a set of NBobs and  Schoeps MK5's do I need one or two IPA's?
One.

Who here has used these for stack taping?
Not me, but many others, also "stack taping" isn't really that different from any other form of low pro taping, except it's in mono and very loud

Has anyone switched from the Tinybox to this and if so what are your thoughts?
Jon designed it to replace the tinybox, it works perfectly.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: NewTaper on September 10, 2017, 11:06:39 PM
If I am running a set of NBobs and  Schoeps MK5's do I need one or two IPA's?
One.

Who here has used these for stack taping?
Not me, but many others, also "stack taping" isn't really that different from any other form of low pro taping, except it's in mono and very loud

Has anyone switched from the Tinybox to this and if so what are your thoughts?
Jon designed it to replace the tinybox, it works perfectly.

Thanks for that quick reply!
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: willndmb on September 10, 2017, 11:08:41 PM
Has anyone switched from the Tinybox to this and if so what are your thoughts?
Jon designed it to replace the tinybox, it works perfectly.
[/quote]imo tb has advantages such as rechargeable battery and ability to work with 48v mics but IPA is solid for those that the feature set meets
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: NewTaper on September 10, 2017, 11:23:11 PM
Has anyone switched from the Tinybox to this and if so what are your thoughts?
Jon designed it to replace the tinybox, it works perfectly.
Quote
Imo tb has advantages such as rechargeable battery and ability to work with 48v mics but IPA is solid for those that the feature set meets
Thanks. I guess my main concern is stack taping as I have a friend who uses a tiny box and he has to set it to the low setting to record very loud music otherwise it will distort.

NT
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Sebastian on September 11, 2017, 03:58:52 AM
Thanks. I guess my main concern is stack taping as I have a friend who uses a tiny box and he has to set it to the low setting to record very loud music otherwise it will distort.

Just get an IPA without any gain and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: willndmb on September 11, 2017, 09:43:08 PM
Has anyone switched from the Tinybox to this and if so what are your thoughts?
Jon designed it to replace the tinybox, it works perfectly.
Quote
Imo tb has advantages such as rechargeable battery and ability to work with 48v mics but IPA is solid for those that the feature set meets
Thanks. I guess my main concern is stack taping as I have a friend who uses a tiny box and he has to set it to the low setting to record very loud music otherwise it will distort.

NT
what other gear is being used?
persoanlly i doubt it is the tb that is actually distorting based on my results with lb and tb
I don't think you would have issues with IPA either
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: NewTaper on September 11, 2017, 09:58:11 PM
Has anyone switched from the Tinybox to this and if so what are your thoughts?
Jon designed it to replace the tinybox, it works perfectly.
Quote
Imo tb has advantages such as rechargeable battery and ability to work with 48v mics but IPA is solid for those that the feature set meets
Thanks. I guess my main concern is stack taping as I have a friend who uses a tiny box and he has to set it to the low setting to record very loud music otherwise it will distort.

NT
what other gear is being used?
persoanlly i doubt it is the tb that is actually distorting based on my results with lb and tb
I don't think you would have issues with IPA either

Sony M10 - NBobs vers 1- Schoeps Mk41

He can only record on low gain otherwise anything recorded will be distorted.
This is true from arena recordings and clubs to head in stack tapes.
He thinks it is a - 10db setting but not sure as no info was given with the Tinybox.

NT
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jbell on September 12, 2017, 11:22:06 AM
I never seen a Tinybox with -10 setting!  That wasn't the standard gain structure.  Get an IPA with 0db, 10db, 20db and you should be good to go. 
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: MakersMarc on September 12, 2017, 12:21:10 PM
So small and so easy to use. I got 0/9/18 and only use the 18db setting and adjust on my m10. IMO Schoeps are only mics I've ran that need zero color. Just clean power. IPA delivers for 119 bucks.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on October 16, 2017, 05:10:23 PM
Anyone here running their stereo IPA with phantom power? If so, how so? With the standard xlr y cable Jon ships with it?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jb63 on October 25, 2017, 12:05:51 PM
I'm thinking about setting up my dpa4021 pair with these. Back when the tiny box was a thing, I got one for them and $400 or so later that thing with all its XLR and Mini-XLR cable adapters just became too burdensome. The whole setup had almost the same footprint as the pmd661, and the tiny box had settings that easily brickwalled in small clubs.

You guys have any recommended gain structures that might prevent brickwalling with this kind of setup?

What I was hoping to do was actually get the mic cable modified by Jon and chop off the XLR connectors to replace them with mini-XLR then put the female end of the mini-XLR to the original large XLR so that I could have a small XLR-Mini XLR cable to plug into any phantom powered pre, or plug into the IPA cable.  (which would be female mini-XLR > IPA > 3.5mm male)

Is that too many words?
What I'm worried about is basically creating a brickwalling set of mics, which is what they used to be before I began using them only with the ocmR44. I haven't found a scenario yet where they will overload the ocmR44's preamps, but I'd like to occasionally take them into places with a Korg MR-1 and need to find reliable powering and gain structure options.

Man, I really use a lot of words.

Thanks for any help you can be!

Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: boa on October 25, 2017, 01:16:28 PM
Anyone here running their stereo IPA with phantom power? If so, how so? With the standard xlr y cable Jon ships with it?

Yes. I run it off my r44 all the time with Jon's cable.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: lostsailor89 on October 25, 2017, 04:51:05 PM
How does an IPA work for mbhos? do i need 1 or 2? 
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Hypnocracy on October 26, 2017, 01:05:24 AM
MBHO an Milab require two IPA's to run balanced...you can run one unbalanced...I guess

Here is my MBHO IPA setup

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4dFEOogjXgk/V0DPGvJ5DiI/AAAAAAAABvM/cRW22VpmpbMFN7NJAhItpio7vDW4OIDIACLcB/s1600/IPA_MBHO_20160521_144129.jpg)
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: aaronji on October 26, 2017, 04:23:21 AM
What I was hoping to do was actually get the mic cable modified by Jon and chop off the XLR connectors to replace them with mini-XLR then put the female end of the mini-XLR to the original large XLR so that I could have a small XLR-Mini XLR cable to plug into any phantom powered pre, or plug into the IPA cable.  (which would be female mini-XLR > IPA > 3.5mm male)

I seem to recall that the DPA compacts have electronics in the XLR connectors, so I don't think the second scenario (miniXLR > IPA) would work if you chopped them...
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jb63 on October 27, 2017, 05:10:45 PM
What I was hoping to do was actually get the mic cable modified by Jon and chop off the XLR connectors to replace them with mini-XLR then put the female end of the mini-XLR to the original large XLR so that I could have a small XLR-Mini XLR cable to plug into any phantom powered pre, or plug into the IPA cable.  (which would be female mini-XLR > IPA > 3.5mm male)

I seem to recall that the DPA compacts have electronics in the XLR connectors, so I don't think the second scenario (miniXLR > IPA) would work if you chopped them...

Yes, I'm pretty sure they do. The dpa4061s that I have use an adapter that definitely has electronics in it when plugging into XLR. But I use the same mics WITHOUT the XLR adaptor plugged into a 9v battery-powered CA ugly, and used them with a ca9100 for a while...

so shouldn't the DPA4021 set be able to be powered in a similar way?

I'm sure I will have to ask Jon all this, but honestly, every time I try to do something I get hit with all sorts of terminology I have to go look up later and it slows the momentum. I currently use this Schoeps CMR rig that was put together by hi and lo:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=147294.msg1889013#msg1889013

and I'd like to be able to pull this off with my dpa4021 set, replacing the tinybox with the Naiant IPA option.
I'm just not sure its possible without a lot of confusion on my part.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: hi and lo on October 27, 2017, 07:49:11 PM

so shouldn't the DPA4021 set be able to be powered in a similar way?
...

and I'd like to be able to pull this off with my dpa4021 set, replacing the tinybox with the Naiant IPA option...

The IPA is a direct replacement for the Tinybox, so you could certainly use it with the 402x microphones (i.e. 402x > IPA > M10), but personally I would question the elegance of that solution versus running into a recorder that supplies phantom (i.e. the PMD-661, which I believe you already own). I also don't think it would be any better than your existing Tinybox.

Going back a few posts, I'm wondering why you find the 4021 > Tinybox setup burdensome? To me it sounds like a more elegant cabling solution is all that is required. As for the brickwalling, it shouldn't if you use the +4dB gain setting and you could even consider having that lowered to 0dB. What gain settings does it currently have?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: willndmb on October 27, 2017, 08:19:14 PM

so shouldn't the DPA4021 set be able to be powered in a similar way?
...

and I'd like to be able to pull this off with my dpa4021 set, replacing the tinybox with the Naiant IPA option...

The IPA is a direct replacement for the Tinybox, so you could certainly use it with the 402x microphones (i.e. 402x > IPA > M10), but personally I would question the elegance of that solution versus running into a recorder that supplies phantom (i.e. the PMD-661, which I believe you already own). I also don't think it would be any better than your existing Tinybox.

Going back a few posts, I'm wondering why you find the 4021 > Tinybox setup burdensome? To me it sounds like a more elegant cabling solution is all that is required. As for the brickwalling, it shouldn't if you use the +4dB gain setting and you could even consider having that lowered to 0dB. What gain settings does it currently have?
the IPA doesn't supply 48v though correct?
The TB does and that right there is huge imo. I can run plug in mic, "actives", and 48v on the TB I own
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: hi and lo on October 27, 2017, 09:32:22 PM

so shouldn't the DPA4021 set be able to be powered in a similar way?
...

and I'd like to be able to pull this off with my dpa4021 set, replacing the tinybox with the Naiant IPA option...

The IPA is a direct replacement for the Tinybox, so you could certainly use it with the 402x microphones (i.e. 402x > IPA > M10), but personally I would question the elegance of that solution versus running into a recorder that supplies phantom (i.e. the PMD-661, which I believe you already own). I also don't think it would be any better than your existing Tinybox.

Going back a few posts, I'm wondering why you find the 4021 > Tinybox setup burdensome? To me it sounds like a more elegant cabling solution is all that is required. As for the brickwalling, it shouldn't if you use the +4dB gain setting and you could even consider having that lowered to 0dB. What gain settings does it currently have?
the IPA doesn't supply 48v though correct?
The TB does and that right there is huge imo. I can run plug in mic, "actives", and 48v on the TB I own

I think you're right. Creating full phantom from an A23 battery doesn't really seem possible. Not sure if he has any other options, but yeah... it's not really a TB replacement if it doesn't provide phantom.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: vanark on October 27, 2017, 09:47:03 PM
I thought there were 60V versions of the IPA? If so, it would seem 48V would be available.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: vanark on October 27, 2017, 09:49:48 PM
http://naiant.com/studio-electronics-products/inline-devices/ipa-flexible-power-inline-amplifier/

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+9V to +52V phantom power
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: hi and lo on October 27, 2017, 10:49:23 PM
I'm pretty sure that's the input power.

Phantom power and polarization voltages are very different. Phantom is 48v and specced for up to 10mA current draw. Polarization voltage (I.e 60v) has a minuscule current draw. You can measure it micro amps or less, which is why you can power it using an A23 battery.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jbell on October 28, 2017, 02:44:14 PM
No P48 with the IPA!! 
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on October 29, 2017, 09:51:35 AM
Has anyone powered their IPA from an external, non phantom source using the DC in?
If so, how have you done it?
Plug size on the IPA?
Good small battery pack? Perhaps USB, I think the IPA can run on 5v.

The A23 battery is great for stealthing, but I'd love to use my KCY IPA for channels 5/6 on my Mixpre6, and I want to bury the thing in my bag and use with a rechargeable battery. Any leads?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: rippleish20 on October 30, 2017, 08:39:06 PM
Has anyone powered their IPA from an external, non phantom source using the DC in?
If so, how have you done it?
Plug size on the IPA?
Good small battery pack? Perhaps USB, I think the IPA can run on 5v.

The A23 battery is great for stealthing, but I'd love to use my KCY IPA for channels 5/6 on my Mixpre6, and I want to bury the thing in my bag and use with a rechargeable battery. Any leads?


I have been curious about this also but the details are not clear to me


From naiant.com "about the 2017 IPA"

– A 5V-12V converter cable enables use of 5V USB battery packs with the IPA. 5V packs can be cheaper and smaller than available 12V external packs, so this cable will offer the smallest possible external battery pack solution.

So you need a special cable to use 5v? I would use 12v anyways but...


On the page where you order a IPA:

The external power jack is 1.7mm ID, 4.4mm OD, center-positive.  A compatible power supply is available on the X-R accessory menu.

- there is a $9 option for a 12v power supply on the X-r accessory menu but I assume this is a 12v power supply you plug in. Can any 12v power supply be use as long as you have a cable with the correct size connector?
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on October 31, 2017, 09:59:07 AM
Yeah, I was hoping for a dc plug to USB cable to use with the same USB-C + USB-A battery I use with my mixpre6.

I wonder if ted could wire something up....
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jahorro on October 31, 2017, 11:00:13 AM
I asked Ted to build a custom cable 4.0mm x 1.7mm (to power the IPA) to 4.75mm x 1.7mm (plugged into my 12V external battery - Fotodiox Turbopack 9000 Power Pack).

This external battery successfully powered up my IPA, which supported my KCY > Neumann AK40 caps (KCY cables built by Nick).

I've used this set up nicely for a few recordings over the last few months.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on October 31, 2017, 11:59:37 AM
I asked Ted to build a custom cable 4.0mm x 1.7mm (to power the IPA) to 4.75mm x 1.7mm (plugged into my 12V external battery - Fotodiox Turbopack 9000 Power Pack).

This external battery successfully powered up my IPA, which supported my KCY > Neumann AK40 caps (KCY cables built by Nick).

I've used this set up nicely for a few recordings over the last few months.

Perhaps this would work: https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Speed-4-0mm-1-7mm-Power/dp/B00NQCMRJ6

I ordered one, and will report back when it arrives. I wonder why Jon hasn't commented here- I've seen him here much less often as of late.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B) on October 31, 2017, 12:42:06 PM
Count me in on an external power option for the IPA. Ideally a USB solution like Jon had said he had planned.

For my Beyers I can get through about 1 3/4 shows on 1 battery. Just did TAB in Vegas and the battery started dying midway through the second set of the second night. Seems like a waste to change the battery every show, and too hard for me to keep track of night to night to maximize each battery. A 3 night run works (2 batteries changed during set break on night 2). 2 night runs...not so much.

I had mentioned in another post, Jon has had a family emergency recently. My parents are friends with him. I'll let Jon share details if he wants. I hope he's doing well, and I hope he's back soon.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: perks on October 31, 2017, 01:35:17 PM
Hope Jon is doing the best he can. He's one of the people that makes TS.com fun and interesting for me. His absence is notable and a quick google search revealed what I assume must be the reason. My sincerest condolences and hope we see him around here again soon.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on October 31, 2017, 01:46:16 PM
Hope Jon is doing the best he can. He's one of the people that makes TS.com fun and interesting for me. His absence is notable and a quick google search revealed what I assume must be the reason. My sincerest condolences and hope we see him around here again soon.

+T.

Vibes to Jon, and I hope everything gets better for him and his family.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on November 03, 2017, 01:09:31 PM
I asked Ted to build a custom cable 4.0mm x 1.7mm (to power the IPA) to 4.75mm x 1.7mm (plugged into my 12V external battery - Fotodiox Turbopack 9000 Power Pack).

This external battery successfully powered up my IPA, which supported my KCY > Neumann AK40 caps (KCY cables built by Nick).

I've used this set up nicely for a few recordings over the last few months.

Perhaps this would work: https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-Speed-4-0mm-1-7mm-Power/dp/B00NQCMRJ6

I ordered one, and will report back when it arrives. I wonder why Jon hasn't commented here- I've seen him here much less often as of late.

This cable appears to not to work, as least not consistently. The light reads orange (i.e. low battery). It seems to work fine at first, but then cuts in and out. It's too bad, because it's a lovely small solution for running a KCY into channels 5&6 on the mixpre6. If only I could find a way not to burn a disposable a23 every show and powe off of the same usb-c battery as the deck.

Any thoughts on a small 12v battery? Perhaps this:https://www.amazon.com/Rechageable-Lithium-Ion-Battery-Pack-3500/dp/B007RQW5WG/ref=pd_sim_421_3?_encoding=UTF8&refRID=SJ1AAH1AY9C2QQERMNC3&th=1
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: jahorro on November 07, 2017, 07:46:07 PM
I asked Ted to build a custom cable 4.0mm x 1.7mm (to power the IPA) to 4.75mm x 1.7mm (plugged into my 12V external battery - Fotodiox Turbopack 9000 Power Pack).

This external battery successfully powered up my IPA, which supported my KCY > Neumann AK40 caps (KCY cables built by Nick).

I've used this set up nicely for a few recordings over the last few months.

Here's my set up, as per my previous post.  The battery lasts several recordings.

I had messaged Jon about a 5V > 12V USB-A to 1.7mm adapter cable last month, and he mentioned to me that it is still under development, but expected to be available by the end of the year.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: willndmb on November 07, 2017, 09:49:43 PM
I asked Ted to build a custom cable 4.0mm x 1.7mm (to power the IPA) to 4.75mm x 1.7mm (plugged into my 12V external battery - Fotodiox Turbopack 9000 Power Pack).

This external battery successfully powered up my IPA, which supported my KCY > Neumann AK40 caps (KCY cables built by Nick).

I've used this set up nicely for a few recordings over the last few months.

Here's my set up, as per my previous post.  The battery lasts several recordings.

I had messaged Jon about a 5V > 12V USB-A to 1.7mm adapter cable last month, and he mentioned to me that it is still under development, but expected to be available by the end of the year.
thats nice but I rather have a tb with built in battery personally. Less fuss and potential issues
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: gormenghast on November 08, 2017, 09:12:37 AM
I asked Ted to build a custom cable 4.0mm x 1.7mm (to power the IPA) to 4.75mm x 1.7mm (plugged into my 12V external battery - Fotodiox Turbopack 9000 Power Pack).

This external battery successfully powered up my IPA, which supported my KCY > Neumann AK40 caps (KCY cables built by Nick).

I've used this set up nicely for a few recordings over the last few months.

Here's my set up, as per my previous post.  The battery lasts several recordings.

I had messaged Jon about a 5V > 12V USB-A to 1.7mm adapter cable last month, and he mentioned to me that it is still under development, but expected to be available by the end of the year.
thats nice but I rather have a tb with built in battery personally. Less fuss and potential issues

The IPA runs on a A23 battery.  Naiant says for 20hrs but I never used one for more than 3.  Have one of the cables guys make a chopped XLR>stereo mini cable and that makes it less fussy.  The IPA is available now and less expensive than the tinybox was when it was available.

I would be nice to know how long the A23 would last using the different mics out there--maybe some of the owners could do the test.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: noahbickart on November 08, 2017, 09:19:58 AM
I asked Ted to build a custom cable 4.0mm x 1.7mm (to power the IPA) to 4.75mm x 1.7mm (plugged into my 12V external battery - Fotodiox Turbopack 9000 Power Pack).

This external battery successfully powered up my IPA, which supported my KCY > Neumann AK40 caps (KCY cables built by Nick).

I've used this set up nicely for a few recordings over the last few months.

Here's my set up, as per my previous post.  The battery lasts several recordings.

I had messaged Jon about a 5V > 12V USB-A to 1.7mm adapter cable last month, and he mentioned to me that it is still under development, but expected to be available by the end of the year.
thats nice but I rather have a tb with built in battery personally. Less fuss and potential issues

The IPA runs on a A23 battery.  Naiant says for 20hrs but I never used one for more than 3.  Have one of the cables guys make a chopped XLR>stereo mini cable and that makes it less fussy.  The IPA is available now and less expensive than the tinybox was when it was available.

I would be nice to know how long the A23 would last using the different mics out there--maybe some of the owners could do the test.

The Naiant website states that the battery life with an A23 is down to ~5 hours with a 60v stereo circuit like with a KCY.

I like my IPA as well, sounds great, etc. But I'd rather not have to throw a battery into a landfill every time I tape a show.
Title: Re: Naiant IPA
Post by: kindms on November 10, 2017, 11:49:32 AM
I have a dummy question

If i was ordering Nbob Actives for my AKG caps to standard phantom recorder. Which IPA options should i select for in and out ? and do i need more than 1 ? I have PFAs for my other set and 1 each for that setup